New Amp modeller

jeezs · Post by **jeezs** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 4:16 am

<Will there be an upgrade path to the Editor version <for those who already have the basic Amper?

Yes

<Do you plan on adding some bass cabinet and amp <models to the available presets?

We are already working on new models including bass Amp.

mythalethe · Post by **mythalethe** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:50 pm

This device is very impressive! The demo totally sold me, while giving me a splitting headache from a very evil squeal used as the demo protection. I just voted with my 99 bucks.

Keep up the good work Unit-X, and seriously consider changing the demo protection tone about 20 octaves lower. I just pray the damage isn't permanent...

This is a very respectable sonic pallate for guitar or anything. Definately very solid amp sims and beautiful distortion. I think it shines the most on aggressive sounds, but I have just started to delve into the different amp sims and stuff so far. The proposed gate fix will be nice, too. Needs 2-4 DSP from what I can tell without insert effects beyond those included on the interface. Overall, very amazing for the first showing from a new developer in SFP.

-mythalethe

P.S. They should make a NOAH compatible port which would be great for playing out without dragging around an amp! (I dream of a laptop, a little evolution controller, a guitar, and NOAH which would all together weigh far less than my korg Z1 and be much more powerful, although I would miss the X/Y pad...) Watch out POD! (I will be selling mine shortly after getting the full AMPER, if anyone is looking to buy one...)

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 8:17 am

On 2003-04-24 00:50, mythalethe wrote:
Watch out POD! (I will be selling mine shortly after getting the full AMPER, if anyone is looking to buy one...)

i tried to try the devices, but the "Ping" was TOOOOOOOOO loud, so i cannot appreciate the work.
but i noted that the DSP consumption is very high... so i don't think i will trade my POD for this... i had to buy another CW card in order to use Amper with my other devices (STS, psyq and optimaster...)

huffcw · Post by **huffcw** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 9:13 pm

When will the new demo be available?

This seems very DSP heavy from the reports. Is there any optimization possible to reduce the dsp load without sacrificing sound quality?

jeezs · Post by **jeezs** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 4:05 am

Yes we are working on DSP optimisation as well, but we don't want it to sound weaker.

In fact we even hope that it can sound better while reducing DSP usage.

We will also release a cut down version without internal effect.

zenda · Post by **zenda** » Mon May 12, 2003 11:46 pm

I'm certainly looking forward to it.

I did quite a lot of work with it ... it's brilliant.

Working with Powersampler2, it can't quite use all its modules, but even with what I can use, it is sounding very good.

It's exciting to hear of the further improvements you are going to make to it.

best wishes

Glyn

huffcw · Post by **huffcw** » Tue May 13, 2003 11:41 am

Is there an estimated timing for when the new enhancements will be done?

huffcw · Post by **huffcw** » Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:19 pm

Still wondering about any developments????

zenda · Post by **zenda** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:21 am

me too ....

I am especially keen to hear the less squawky demo .....

Celmo does one that I own a copy of. The great thing about the 'intererence' sound is that it correctly messed up any recording ..... in an insistent yet gentle way. I could fully appreciate all the great work Celmo had done ... and yet be properly limited to the DEMO status .... I was able to do a correct comparison with what else was on the market.

I am so keen to properly try your AMPER ...

... Celmo has, in my opinion created a product which is marvelous with clean sounds, and accurately models a limited set of distorted and overdriven amps. A brilliant specialist program is what i would call it .... and I use it for about 4 hours a day.

Amper ... it is obvious that the makers of AMPER have painstakingly researched the nuanced of overdriving at different stages of the process.

I have not heard the UAD Nigel. So apart from that, then I am confident in expressing my opinon that AMPER has no real competition when it comes to commercial software modelling of overdriven guitar amplification.

I need to hear a demo that does not hurt my ears in order to confirm this.

huffcw · Post by **huffcw** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:21 am

I compared Celmo's GAM to Amper - and have to say that the sound of Celmo's device provided much more enjoyment for me. The sounds you can get out of that device are incredibly smooth and realistic. The whole implementation is very smooth as well - no problems with the interface.

Unfortunately, I didn't get the same feeling from the Amper. This could be because the demo ping (as mentioned throughout) makes it really impossible to enjoy it at all and really see what it can do. From what I could tell while trying it with the ping, it seemed noisier and there were more issues when switching from one sound to another (as far as a delay in the switching and some intermediate noise). I also found that the noise gate was very annoying with most of the presets (set too high). Overall, I found some interesting tones, but none of which inspired me to play all night like in Celmo's device (again, this could partly be because of the ping being so annoying that it prevented me from really giving it a thorough testing.)

Anyway, I would be very interested in giving it another chance if some enhancements were made and the demo was improved so you can actually try it without getting a huge headache.

zenda · Post by **zenda** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:57 am

Following up my last post, I decided to e-mail the developer .... here is the text:

Hello

I am keen to follow the progress of your AMPER Guitar Amp Modeller

I have tried the early demo and am very impressed.

I have read what you have written in the Planet Z forum for Creamware users

If you have a mailing list, I would be grateful to be included and would appreciate news on how the product is developing.

and here is the reply:

Thanks for your comments,

unfortunatly we don't have any mailing list for now.

We are still working on a new version but it won't be ready until september.

I asked for and recieved permission to share this news here.

I am looking forward to trying the next incarnation of amper in its hopefullly non painful form.

Huffcw ... yes, I have also noticed some of the delay in switching.

Also, I am using Powersampler, and the AMPER used up just about all of its DSPs. Performance was clunky to say the least ..... I was running nothing else alongside it. Though the sound was stable once it actually go there. I will be interested how it performs when they have optimised its processor usage.

I seem to remember being able to find som esettings without too much noise ... but I must confess, the deadly 'buy-me' ping made it impossible for me to tweak the best out of it. I do remember some moments when it did get some sounds I have been wanting to play for years and those are what I want to explore further in September.

zenda · Post by **zenda** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 12:48 am

OK ... September is approaching and so it is likely that we will be seeing an enhanced version of the Amper Modeller

So here is a snippet I did.

It is the early version of a guitar instrumental in a Neapolitan/Rhumba fusion stylee whilst attempting to infuce into the guitar the kind of wistful emotionality to be found in the works of Chrysler, the 19th Century Violinist/composer

I kept the Amper as clean as possible ... adding a bit of valve warmth but not too much ... what is especially impressive is the breathtaking range of tonal distinctions I am able to achieve by means of nothing except plectrum velocity and angle of application ... I was using the Jim Dunlop Tortex 1mm blunt tipped plectrum.

I am not blowing my trumpet. I'm blowing the trumpet of the developers of this great modeller ... it is the range of responses it is able to give to my plectrum variations which has led to my needing to relearn how I play the guitar.

http://www.planetz.com/Pulsar/files/mus ... ModAmp.mp3

NB ... this version has very painful intermittent pings ... these are the demo-disable signals.

NOW ... By way of comparision and contrast, here is the same peice played but instead of the Amper, I am using the Celmo Guitar Amp Modeller.

http://www.glynpowell.pwp.blueyonder.co ... .wav_1.mp3

Please understand, I have very high respect for both of these virtual amps. It is NOT my intention that these be examined in terms of making 'better/worse' judgements.

That would be missing the point of my post which is to do honour to and applaud both as being very important ... indeed pivotal since they are THE OFFERING for guitarists on the Creamware platform. And they are of a very high standard.

And I am also keen to keep the AMPER in public awareness, because the last time I looked at it it was still in its very early stages and I am kind of ... well ... desperate to see it getting properly off the ground in ways which makes it worthile to the developers to continue working on it.

Enough from me for now:)

brain1 · Post by **brain1** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:47 pm

the Amper rules!
i purchased this device from Unit X and it definately been worth the money - who needs line 6 pod when you have Amper?
i am also anxiously awaiting the new version and will not hesitate to upgrade when it is ready. - Jeezs also mention something about the Bass Amper which i am intrested to hear more about too.
support Unit X - buy Amper!

zenda · Post by **zenda** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:41 am

Just bumping this thread ....

It's nearly the end of November.

And I believe this is too good a product just to forget:)

doodyrh · Post by **doodyrh** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 8:56 am

Will the next version have new style presets unlike the demo?

I don't see why devices are still being made the old way. Is it the cost of development kits?

Also, I couldn't find a close window button on the demo.

spacef · Post by **spacef** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:58 am

Will the next version have new style presets unlike the demo?

I have heard rumors that it should be available in late december/january/february..... I guess it is not easy to convert a pre-sfp devices into sfp 3.1 format (which is a format that allows to take less dsp ressources too).

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: spacef on 2003-11-26 12:20 ]</font>

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 1:45 pm

wow, it's fun to see that the amper has caught on so much attention! I have delved deeply into it a couple of times, and I am very interested in its potential as a custom filter builder. I'm not a guitar player at all, so I haven't explored its amp sim capabilities.

Anyhow, as a filter, I think it's truly innovative. The idea of having linked pairs works just along with the way I mix. (coincidentally) So, if I raise 4000hz area, maybe 300hz zone may drop at a certain ratio. This is what amper makes possible. There are some spots in the interface that can be made better, but considering it a new EQ+overdrive option, it serves much better than the CW counterpart. In a way, you can create mixing presets that simplifies your mixing process down to just a few knobs. While this may sound like an over simplification, it's definitely a good starting point and a good way to get those quicky jobs done.

SpaceF seems to be into delays, and I'm not too sure who's directly in charge of developing this device, but I hope to hear more news on this.

brain1 · Post by **brain1** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 10:11 pm

i recently emailed UnitX - to find out whats been going on or any news at all. i own Amper and i think it is great! i have used it many times in my studio.
here is the email jeezs sent me:

"development on devices has stop and will restart early January.
The reason is I don't have access to a Scope DP anymore, I have contacted Creamware that told me they 'll be able to sell me a Scope DP early January.

A friend might slighly modify current Amper design to make an SFP 3 version of it.

I hope to start working on new devices and Amper updates soon but for now I have to wait until Creamware sell me the DP licence"

-i am anxiously waiting for the Amper update that will enable you to create your own amp models.

brain1

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 5:22 pm

Well... I've tryed this demo, but to be honest, and despite all the knobs and the nice interface, the Celmo's GAM is still much, much musical and better sounding than this one. I can nevertheless apreciate a great effort here, it is perhaps a matter of taste, but I think the GAM is far more professional sounding, or should I say, more realistic sounding that this demo.

huffcw · Post by **huffcw** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:00 pm

I will have to agree with Nestor.