dub style delay

lexfx · Post by **lexfx** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:51 pm

Does anybody know how to achieve dub style delays, using SFP effects?

You know in reggae when they delay something and the delays get closer together over time and then disapear...

I read in a magazine that its done by looping the delay back on itself and then filtering the output (or something like that).

But i cant work out how to do it in SFP?

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:08 pm

Try this modular patch as a starting point:

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=15&3

(I hope you have mod2 or 3.. if not, why not?

)

peace

lexfx · Post by **lexfx** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:21 pm

Thanks for the reply (very quick!), but all i have is STS 3000, SFP and some imagination...

Why?

Because i've got no money!

Thanks anyway...

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:11 pm

Well unfortunately you're not going to get very far making custom FX without the modular.

Maybe you can try recreating the circuit there in the SFP routing window by using Neutron's Feedback device (take a look in the Devices forum for it).

peace

Neutron · Post by **Neutron** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 11:00 pm

you mean how the delays get dirtier and dirtier over time, and sort of blur into one another. i dont think the delay time actually gets shorter but just appeaars to because of the smudging of the delay times by the tape.

what you need is a delay with distortion and/or waveshaping in the feedback loop

I had a device that did that but it requires no longer avaliable atoms and is out of date. i guess its time to dive back into scope and update RETRON delay for you

it used to do the trick nicely.

Neutron · Post by **Neutron** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 11:03 pm

by the way what do you use for inputs and outputs? if you have an extra in and out you can just wire them together and use them as a feedback loop.

then you can make your own dub delay with creamware delay + distortion

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:00 am

Maybe this is for you ?

http://www.celmo.com/Pro_Vintage_Delay_page.htm

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:42 pm

what about this: http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... orum=10&69

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marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:41 am

I got both Celmo's and SpaceF's super delay, and both are usefull in their own right. Both are really fun to play with...

With Celmo, i love the sample & hold button.

And SpaceF's delay can make pretty weird effects when playing with spectrum delay and filtering.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:36 am

actually 'dub style delays' were a bug which only later became a feature

Their strange rythmic pattern originated from tape bouncing of tracks.

What happened to mjrom's MaryJane series of devices, which obviously - considering the leaf-layout

had the focus on that kind of sound ?

cheers, Tom

lexfx · Post by **lexfx** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 8:25 am

OK...thanks everybody, those effects look very tempting, but no money really does mean no money!

But i really wanted to just simulate the same effect using only the SFP effects which i have already e.g. delay and perhaps a filter.

I thought that there was a way of of wiring any delay to achieve this...after all there can't have been many creamware soundcards around in 1970's Kingston...

Perhaps this tape thing is the secret...

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:19 am

If you want to try it with just the normal SFP effects, you could:

set up a delay effect as a send
put some sort of distortion and a filter on the return channel.

Automate (midi) the distortion to increase over time, and the (lowpass) filter to close over time.

Putting effects on your return channels is a nice trick anyway. Try it with flangers or phasers, to give your delayed sounds different sonic/spatial character from the original (dry) sound.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:33 am

Maybe you can try messing around with Modular1. It's free: I think it can be downloaded from http://www.modularsynth.co.uk

It is very gacky and limited compared to Modular2/3 but it's usable for a lot of things.

peace

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:42 am

astroman wrote:

actually 'dub style delays' were a bug which only later became a feature
Their strange rythmic pattern originated from tape bouncing of tracks.

I thought it was an effect created by feeding back the delay output through a mixer back into the input of the delay. (That's how I've created it in the past). You have to be careful how much you pass back through, else Feedback City!

Royston

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:49 pm

that's how it's created today, obviously

but in the early days of reel-to-reel recording they got a lot of artifacts from bouncing tracks - yeah, bouncing was a problem even 30 years ago

some producers considered this a new dimension in sound and even overstressed the unavoidable - which then became 'dub', as the name says from over'dub'bing tracks.
I remember this effect was constantly present on early tape recordings I did as a schoolboy

cheers, Tom

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:00 am

Thanks, that's pretty interesting.

I can remember taking the tape of a big reel-to-reel and wrapping it around chair legs, mike stands, you name it to create a looong delay in a studio in London once. You just had to be careful of getting a nasty 'paper cut'

Royston