CW not G5 compatible ???

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:01 pm

Thanks Mr Arkadin!

Do you remind those first SFP roumors and the NAMM brouchure (BTW the brouchure scans posted on PlanetZ disappeared

)? Those Apple Studio Displays and SFP running on OSX? It was A.D. 2002 AFAIR... I can't imagine CW drops the OSX/SFP development

Please, PCers, don't kick the already lying......

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:43 pm

The thing i've always liked about Pulsarians (should that be updated to SCOPE Fusioneers?) is that our love of the platform has overridden the usual PC vs Mac, Logic vs VST -type 'discussions' one sees on other fora.

Once you have SFP all that other stuff becomes secondary - who cares what you've got as long as it can run SFP, right? i've always found everyone here very supportive regardless of computer platform as we all know the only platform that matters is SFP. Sym90, do you want another Logic-style dropping of PC for Mac/SFP owners? Very generous. i wasn't jumping with joy when Logic opted for Mac-only development - i can imagine how PC owners felt. i would feel even worse if SFP were dropped on Mac as i've spent quite a bit on hardware as well as software.

Post by **hubird** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 6:26 pm

Well...
I think it's time Creamware gives us some information about this BIG problem.

If they can post a sticky announcement about the US/Canada offer, I think they certainly also can tell us more about this platform threatening devellopment.
Motu, Digidesign, and probably other firms mention extensively the problem on their sites, Motu even has already a nice card exchange offer!

Will there be a technical solution, on the card or other ways around?
Will Creamware be capable to garantee the use of our 'old' cards in the new macs, or do we have to sell them massively in pc-world and buy new ones?
Will CW stop OS-X devellopment?
Will there be a solution for the two-cards-STDM-cable problem (not to forget)?

Please be our guest, Paul-at-Creamware

(We all understand that you can't go argueing with us about what you might tell us.
We just need some reassurence you know, it's all about our computer platform.
At least you could tell us if any public announcement Creamware will do in the next future.
Any word would be very appreciated.)

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Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:07 am

According to the Apple Store the lowest model 1.6GHZ SP still comes with PCI slots http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects ... .2.0.0.1.0 Don't know if it can accomodate more than one CW card though.

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firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:19 am

maybe that is not 64bit. Anyway i belive intel will come up with something like 1000Ghz path, 64bit and so on. they have some xeon MP processor which has 2Mb L2 cache!!

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 5:05 pm

As Astroman said in another thread (switching from Mac to PC) - the PCI slots in the new G5s are 3.3V which makes them unusable regarding CW cards.

Astral Fridge Magnet · Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:17 pm

Well, not that it is the same issue, but it kind of is related, Logic abandoned PC users and maybe Creamware will abandon Mac users. Unfortunately, shit happens. And there is nothing you can do about it except sympathise with the unfortunate party. Quite soon PCI cards are going to be a thing of the past anyway. Just like ISA cards are now. So what happens to people (like me) who own more than one (3 in fact, soon to be 4) Pulsar card? Well, I intend to use mine for a very, very long time. So I just hope my PC will run smoothly and trouble free.
Well that's my two bobs worth.

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Sat Sep 13, 2003 3:16 am

On 2003-09-12 22:17, Weirdo The Weird wrote:
Quite soon PCI cards are going to be a thing of the past anyway. Just like ISA cards are now.

Are you sure .. this will happen? is it possiable to install our pulsar2 into a pciX slot?

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Post by **garyb** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 1:42 am

sure,why not?

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:30 am

Isn't 3.3 V the new industry standard?

Just curious...

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:55 pm

Didn't we talk about PCI Express some time ago? Surely it'll come and push PCI to a dump.
http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/pciexpress

Post by **hubird** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:32 pm

Surely it'll come and push PCI to a dump.

actually in the given link they are talking about backward compatibility with the 'old' PCI.

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valis · Post by **valis** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:58 am

Most of the backwards compatibility in Pci-X and Pci-Express is to facilitate motherboards being able to integrate the designs without drastic low-level curcuit redesigns (similar addressing lines) and to facilitate driver developers to be able to port existing driver designs.

While pci-x shares a lot in common with 3.3v PCI cards and will 'downclock' to 33mhz the WHOLE pci-x controller is affected (and the vast majoritiy of 'regular' Pci cards on the market are still 5.5v as we found out with our Cw cards.) Pci-Express is (i think) 0.8volt which should render pci-x physical cards rather incompatible (and the proposed slots make that a moot issue anyway).

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:32 am

PCI Express will have a connector of it's own, too.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:53 am

PCI Express will have a connector of it's own, too.

...oh , for f*@ks sake!

Post by **hubird** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:01 am

so in fact the conclusion is: no backward compatibility?

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:32 am

I have a question: can new 3.3v cards work in old 5.5v motherboards? The pinout is different.

Shayne

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:51 am

Oh, I just saw a picture of one...they have two notches in the slot instead of one.

Shayne

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:55 am

Also i think the extra volts might fry the board

Post by **garyb** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:41 am

backwards compatability??!!!

how can anyone become a millionare that way?

anyway,you'll be able to get plenty of use long after pci is gone,even if you have to have a legacy computer to do it.relax.a working machine is a working machine.just because there is a new carbon fiber handled hammer doesn't mean you automatically have to throw out your trusty wood handled model....(until it gets worn out)

since computers are still in their infancy,there are many changes to come.believe it!