Well, it seems CW's support is top notch!

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:46 am

So here I am with my new 15 DSP card all shining with smiles just tempting me to delve in and see what its all about!

Upon my 1st demo some music I frequenty listen to on my system as a basis for sound quality during mix down, I was stunned and though, where the heck did all the wonder go? well it turns out since I am only a budding pulsarian at the moment, I needed to call Tech support where I was greeted by "Paul".

I explained I was using Nuendo 2.01 on my system, we even chatted a bit about random msuic things and then we went into SFP land. Paul was kind enough to walk me through the routing window and explain what the different modules and structes within the live bar meant and then took he the time to help me create a default.pro that would work well with my set up.

We created a mixer with stero pairs,linked faders and mute groups, multi effect(s)inserts asio/wave sources and destinations, we went over some midi on how to set up many things during the process, unfortunatelly my wife decided that she did not care what I was doing at the moment and gave me enough "S" to have to end the call early.

But the next sound test was a drastic difference, the magic was back in the sound where before I was wondering where it had gone, it turns out it was all about the stereo pairs in the mixer, my god did that make a night and day sound difference coming out of the card..

Anyways, I just wanted to give Kudo's to Paul and the support at CW, that phone call made my opinions of the sound of the card do a drastic 180, I went from ehhh, to wow!

Keep in kind I am coming from running a Lynx card, which has the best possible specs for a card basically, even beating out RME so my standard of judging the sound quality of the card was high, so far the CW is coming thru quite well..

Then once I had my routing and sound issues worked out well, I blew out my PC and installed an Asus A7N8X 2.0 for the nForce2 chipset so I can feel the love from the card while it runs side by side with my UAD-1..

Anywas just wanted to share this incase any one was wondring out support!

Thanks again paul! I am going to call ya again though since I have a few new questions

Cheers!

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marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:50 pm

I'm glad to hear that. I too needed help when i started, and Paul helped me greatly in those first days

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 3:12 pm

Paul has helped me out as well, on various issues. He shared some tips with me on how to use the Vinco, and my percussion tracks did a similar 180.

I was like, "Hey...wait a minute...yeah, that's what this should sound like." I've been looking for that sound for about three years now, no joke.

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:24 am

interloper, you mind sharing the tips here, too?

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 4:18 pm

I was going to ask that. That would be very much appreciated indeed Interloper!
(maybe and idea for CW to make some "tips/tricks" documents for specific devices?)

Post by **Guest** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 9:21 pm

he did

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=5&13

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sat Aug 30, 2003 3:36 pm

no real tips there (except the insert/external thing).
C'mon! Let us share in your knowledge!!

Post by **Guest** » Sat Aug 30, 2003 11:25 pm

so, rather then me rambling on...

give me some topics...

scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 2:26 am

First off, I too have spoken to Paul & he is a very groovy guy. As far as topics of compression tecniques, many people in this forum including myself are trying to demystify mastering compression. Another thing, is there an all buttons mode in the works for a future update of Vinco?

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 2:49 am

On 2003-08-31 00:25, Paul@CreamWare wrote:

so, rather then me rambling on...

give me some topics...

Paul has helped me out as well, on various issues. He shared some tips with me on how to use the Vinco, and my percussion tracks did a similar 180.

I was like, "Hey...wait a minute...yeah, that's what this should sound like." I've been looking for that sound for about three years now, no joke.

Well Paul, you could start by telling us what you told him

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 7:03 pm

I'll chime in real quick to elaborate on what was communicated.

As mentioned in the other post, Vinco is the first effect in your chain, prior to the mixer and any other effects. Do this on all drums in particular, and everything else you want to treat.

Separate your drum tracks and have stereo tracks from the sequencer running into separate mono channels in the mixer, panned full left and full right. Mono tracks stay as mono tracks.

Bring up the level in all the Vincos so that it is operating in the red, but bring down the Vinco output necessary in order so that it does not clip the mixer (here you'll notice the extra headroom, because the mixer will show red, but not sound like it's clipping).

Each percussive element will need to be tweaked individually, and that's entirely up to taste, not technique.

Then do High Cut and Low Cut on each part, EQ if at all necessary, and Voila. I also record at 32 bit, so that helps the headroom a bit.

Paul, feel free to add on or modify any of the above.

TRMP8R · Post by **TRMP8R** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 10:40 pm

I love the Vinco too.

RMS or Peak Detection:

Just wondering, what setting is most appropriate for which type of material?
All the presets tend to use RMS which sounds very natural, but now again the Peak setting seams to work better on indiividual drum tracks, but at other times completly destroys the attack.

Any hints here?

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:42 pm

I think there is probably a proper way to adjust these settings, but here I go by ear. Start with a drum preset, and go from there. Let your ears be the judge.