the NEW Sequential Pro One has arrived

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 10:04 am

I just bought Solaris yesterday. I'm still waiting for a key (I think it's supposed to take a couple of days), and I'm looking forward to it! One of the main reasons I bought it was because it contains all the Pro-One stuff.

Shayne

aMo · Post by **aMo** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 10:27 am

You might wanna mail John Bowen if takes too long, heh, I waited a couple of days for my Pro One recently, one mail, and 3 hours later, it was fixed

John knows support!

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Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 1:57 pm

Yes, he does. I just got the key around a half-hour ago. Cool!!

Shayne

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:06 pm

remember to try out my latest Solaris presets, as well... just be careful with your polyphony, cuz some of these patches are pretty "stacked" and might max out your DSP-capacity:

http://www.track0.com/wavelength/design.html

cheers,

stephen

medway · Post by **medway** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 2:36 am

On 2003-07-17 11:04, Shayne White wrote:
I just bought Solaris yesterday. I'm still waiting for a key (I think it's supposed to take a couple of days), and I'm looking forward to it! One of the main reasons I bought it was because it contains all the Pro-One stuff.

Shayne

What do you mean it includes all the pro one stuff?

Also I found out that the CW version of the pro one is optimized and gives about double the polyphony, so a good reason to upgrade.

Jesse

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:02 am

medway wrote:

Also I found out that the CW version of the pro one is optimized and gives about double the polyphony, so a good reason to upgrade.

Not if you use it monophonically like i do

medway · Post by **medway** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:08 am

what about monophonic with unison? more voices to stack.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:40 pm

John Bowen's Solaris contains the Pro-One CEM oscs and filters, as well as the normal CW ones and wavetable/sampling/FM/granluar/Red Dwarf. Just about everything! Check it out at http://www.zargmusic.com

Shayne

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:01 pm

On 2003-07-18 08:08, medway wrote:
what about monophonic with unison? more voices to stack.

I just tried the demo, and this new Pro One doesn't seem to have unison. What's worse, the elaborate sequencer and arpeggiator seem to have gone too. The arpeggiator is now only up or down, latch or normal. The sequencer I can't even figure out how it's supposed to work now. Where's the sequencer window? I see only "seq settings"!
I'd have thought they at least kept the old features and made them better, not remove them!
So now I would have to pay 99,- euro for an "upgrade" that removes functionality? I really don't think so.

On the bright side: the integrated fx is nice, and the knobs are smoother than the zarg version. Dunno about the sound, I didn't a/b it directly.

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Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:19 pm

medway wrote:

what about monophonic with unison? more voices to stack.

i use my Zarg Prophet for stacking

i like to use Pro One as per the original (i do the same with MiniMax).

rrominet4 · Post by **rrominet4** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 5:06 pm

the sequencer is like a tape loop inside the pro one.

- On the main page : make sure 'record' is set to 'record', then set 'seq1' and start playing (live with key board) : you will hear it records in loop. when you finish your sequence switch to play, that's all. To delete you switch back/forth to record seq/1/off...
it stores in preset

- set tempo midi clock etc... on the additional page : I found that some settings can be set to LFO better than midi, and it syncs perfect.

It's a bit aleatory (you hear what you record late after playing) but gives nice effect due to this lack of precision... i wonder if it was like this on the original pro one.

medway · Post by **medway** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:54 pm

check out the manual for more info on the seq. i belive it was that way on the original. my demo seemed to expire prematuraly but ill be getting it for the polyphony alone. if i need the old seq then ill use the original. too bad if they got rid of unison mode though, sounds great on the WC version.

thanks for the heads up on solaris, might have to check that one out as well. i never realized getting a CW card would make me so addicted to trying out all these plugins.

on a side note i compared moog modular to the pro one (dont have minimax). the moog was pretty smooth but loses a lot of level when u add resonance and the resonance seems to be peaky at certain spots distorting easily which means you have to turn the level down a lot. youre osc ends up being pretty low in comparison. also there is a lot of stepping when controlling the filter via midi. i'll be interested to see how the new pro one has smoother knobs, i thought there were good already, at least from midi. the new ones look bigger so maybe they are easier with a mouse.

Jesse

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 4:06 am

if they had kept the sequencer of the zarg version, I would have upgraded I think, if only for the polyphony and the little extra's. The sequencer is by far my favourite part of the Pro One, and it offered much more options than what's in this new version. A real shame.
I hope they update it in the future, but I'm not holding my breath. (do CW ever upgrade their plugins?)

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 5:27 am

King of Snake wrote:

I hope they update it in the future, but I'm not holding my breath. (do CW ever upgrade their plugins?)

i hear you. EDS8/16i, SB404, Poison, U Know 007, BlueSynth etc are looking/sounding a little old and lame now. C'mon CW update these to be more in line with the newer breed of devices.

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sinix · Post by **sinix** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 9:27 am

I'll upgrade when it comes out...

I was really close to buying the standard version of the Prophet from WC, but comments from the Creamware website, "...is the first fruit of an ongoing cooperation between CreamWare and former Sequential Circuits™ developers" pretty much tell me to hold off. Isn't this pretty much saying that the other Zarg / WC products are in the works to be "improved" as well?

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 9:42 am

medway wrote:

on a side note i compared moog modular to the pro one (dont have minimax). the moog was pretty smooth but loses a lot of level when u add resonance and the resonance seems to be peaky at certain spots distorting easily which means you have to turn the level down a lot.

Apparently MMV's filter doesn't self-oscillate which seems a bit of an oversight for this 'ultimate' emulation, but worse i feel is that the VCO waveforms retrigger when you play a note. A real analogue (or good emulation) will start cycling the waveform when powered up, so that when you hit a note you may hit any point in the wavecycle, not always the beginning of a cycle.

i'd still rather use MiniMax (i'd quite like that step sequencer on SFP though).

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 10:38 am

I thought the MMV was very nice, but if I'm going to use a modular synth I'd sooner use the more powerful ModIII, and if I want the "Moog sound", I'd sooner use MiniMax (which I unfortunately don't have yet).

Shayne

medway · Post by **medway** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 10:08 pm

hmmm..from what i remember it does self osc. but with high settings the res sounds detached from the rest of the signal. and i agree about the osc's restarting each time. i love how on the pro one they are contantly cycling.

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 5:03 am

i love how on the pro one they are contantly cycling.

this is, of course, not limited to the Pro~One. all of my synth algorithms function this way and I'm sure John Bowen's other synth-designs are this way, as well.

cheers,

stephen

http://www.track0.com/wavelength/

medway · Post by **medway** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 9:44 pm

seems like an obvious oversight by arturia then.