Hyperthreading with Creamware

Acid Man · Post by **Acid Man** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 6:01 am

Hi All,

Do any of you have experience with working on a mobo (asus P4P800) which support Hyperthreading from Intel?

Do you happen to know whether the SFP software supports or recognises this new technology? I called Creamware support and they couldn't tell me whether this is possible or not...

I know that the TC Powercore card gets unstable.

It will be very dissapointing finding out after upgrading my DAW to this new technology that the Pulsar II and PowerSampler II do not support Hyperthreading.

I appreciate any comments.

Cheers,

Acid

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Post by **hubird** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 6:46 am

try a search here, it's discussed before.
(I'm on mac, and I even forgot what h. is, but I know it was a subject)

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:09 am

I don't think the SFP will cause so much trouble.
However the sequencer is more than likley to.
Cubase SX for ex. does'nt support HT.
The other ones i don't know.
I've seen several reports that shows less performance with HT on than off.

It is only beneficial if you are running several CPU heavy applications at once.
And you should'nt do that on a music computer anyway.

So just disable the HT and think nothing of it.

rodos1979 · Post by **rodos1979** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:52 am

Hello!

My Asus P4T533C supports HT and I have not experienced any problem. But I am running a P4 2.4GHz and not a HT 3GHz processor... however, I remember that I have read somewhere in the Creamware Forums that CW cards dont like a lot HT and this seems logical: our cards were made many years before this HT technology.
I know too, that CW cards are not very happy with dual processor machines (by reading old posts of At0mic I think).

BTW, instead of upgrading your machine why dont you buy a second one for the same amount of money? 2 PCs are always better than one!

Acid Man · Post by **Acid Man** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 2:16 pm

Hi All,

Thank you very much for your input!

I realized that getting me the latest and fastest isn't going to work. That's why I decided to buy a 2.4 Ghz P4 800fsb.

I plan on upgrading my main DAW and make a 2nd DAW to try to get this VST system link working.

I understood from my local distributor (who distributes steinberg software) that SX doesn't have any problems with HT technology. The only problem was that the TC powercore card became unstable. That's why they had to disable HT in Bios.

Ah well, what the hack I'll just give it a try and see what happens.

BTW did you guys hear about Creamware being in big troubles? I heard from my local dealer that they are almost bankrupt. Is this true? Or am I being late with this news?

Cheers,

Acid

Post by **hubird** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 4:43 pm

I heard from my local dealer that they are almost bankrupt. Is this true? Or am I being late with this news?

No it's not true, and yes you're a bit late with it

check out the announcements, and tell your dealer he shouln't make panic and read the sources more carefully

Valium · Post by **Valium** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:52 pm

I'm running a p4p800deluxe mobo with a p4 3.0 ghz 800fsb cpu with hyperthreading enabled ... XP PRO and CUBASE VST and SFP3.1c running along very nicely with the HT and didn't notice a performance decrease.

Just thought I'd let you guys know.

Greetz

sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 12:53 am

hi, valium. how you made this? do you have better performances?

i have p4c800deluxe and i trying to instal computer like APIC multiprocessor PC without sucess.
i didn't had problems with sound and with cubase vst, but with sfp instalation. always miss some dsp file.

sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 5:42 am

i just did one strange thing.
first i disable HT in bios than instal xp as ACPI uniprocessor PC and instal all programs, drivers and did all optimatisations.
than i update drivers to Standard PC, than to ACPI PC, than i enble HT in bios.
now i have this situation (and everything works nice by now):

Acid Man · Post by **Acid Man** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 6:25 am

Hi Valium,

Just like SandroB asked: Do you have better performance.

I just ordered the P4C800 with a P4 2.6C Ghz. SandroB: As you described above, is this the only way of getting two virtual CPU's? Or can I install XP as Standard PC with HT enabled in Bios?

Appreciate any feedback

Acid

Valium · Post by **Valium** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 7:12 am

Well I don't think I get better AUDIO performance, since none of the audio programs uses HT but what I do think is that windowstasks are better with HT enabled and that it even might be handy when running audio, windows on one CPU, audio on the other.

for those of you with questions 'bout how to install this I'd suggest you have a look at the following link, it's a guide put up by a member on another forum and I have used it many times on systembuilds and it hase given NO problems whatsoever and even better stability. Only thing to note is that you should wait to install SFP until you've performed any tweaks you want after setting up XP.

url=http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthrea ... =guide/url

sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 7:25 am

i'm not expert so i can tell you just my experiences. i'll like that someone with knowledge can arbitring what we talk here?

i instal my new asus p4c800 deluxe and p4/3.0 few days ago.
first i instal xp as "acpi multyprocessors pc" (2cpu's and 22 irq's) and i have problems with sfp instalation. all the time i had error mesagges "can't find dsp file "xxx", please check your instalation.
then i tryed to update computer to "acpi pc" and then i had what i have now (2cpu's and 16irq's). sfp works without any problem, but i had some minor probs with my uad-1 card. than i tryed "standard pc" mode (no cpu's in device managger and 16 irq's). in this mode sfp works nice too, but i wasn't able to instal uad's drivers and shutting down computer properly, also i didn't had virtual cpu's.
than i tryed some "mps uniprocessoes pc" mode. this mode was total crap.
and in the end i instal "acpi uniprocessor pc" (1 cpu and 22 irq's). this mode works good, specialy my uad-1 works better than ever, but sometimes sfp didn't startup properly.

so, i will leave system in this mode for sometime. i will like to try "multiprocessors pc" again if someone teach me how to force system to work smooth.

maybe i will try to instal computer as "acpi uniprocessor pc", then after all drivers, programs instalations and tweakings i will try to enble HT in bios, and update computer to "acpi multiprocessors pc" (if is possible).

Valium · Post by **Valium** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 7:45 am

All I did was follow that guide to install (http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthrea ... ight=guide)OS into HT supporting mode, and then I went over to http://www.musicxp.net and applied all tweaks before installing SFP. That seemed to work fine and everything is working perfectly here.

BTW if you are in need of help for any mobo problem I think you'll find http://www.abxzone.com one of the best forums regarding those problems.

Greetz

sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 1:34 pm

finaly i update computer from "acpi pc" to "acpi multyprocessors pc" and for now everything works good

so, i first do all instalation with ht disabled, than i did xp update with ht enabled. also, during instalation i instal intel's acelerator by pressing f6.

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 3:05 pm

Question:
Isn't hyper-threading like having 2 CPU's?
If so, could I use my computer to do audio on one side and video on the other?

Paul

mano · Post by **mano** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 7:19 pm

On 2003-06-12 17:43, hubird wrote:
I heard from my local dealer that they are almost bankrupt. Is this true? Or am I being late with this news?
No it's not true, and yes you're a bit late with it
check out the announcements, and tell your dealer he shouln't make panic and read the sources more carefully

Actually hubrid, I think "chapter 11 protection" is another way of saying ... bankruptcy.

At least the press release on their site clearly describes what happens when you file for bankruptcy (protection from creditors, restructuration of business plan, etc)

Post by **hubird** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:12 pm

many wise words are said by others about this subject, I'm not gonne repeat them

There is just a temporary solvability problem due to a time lack between soft and hardware devellopment.
It's a formality, that's all.

Just read all the posts

Creamware is doing rather well at the moment, no major software problems (SFP rules), new quality software all over the place, speech making hardware with exellent critics, etc.

Too much words already now.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:15 pm

Please

If you want to discus CW's financial situation - do it in one of the allready far too many threads about the subject. Don't take this thread off track.

Post by **hubird** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:18 pm

snif snif, my name is Hubird, not Hubrid, why are so many of us calling me hubrid, I'm not hybrid at all, I love just my little big mac, woeahhh

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Post by **hubird** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:21 pm

Immanuel. HE begun, I was forced to, whoeahhh

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