There it comes, the huge visitor I was waiting for

[hubird]

again, i don't expect a big visitor, i just know it's always possible.

It's impossible that a planet is on it's way to Earth without Earth not knowing it, Gary.
I.m.p.o.s.s.i.b.l.e.
There is no planet coming to us.
Nothing will happen.
Nothing.

Earth has been hit in the past by big (and small) objects - or planets if you want.
No one denies that, we even know a few places on Earth where they came down, science has showed us already.
Stop saying 'it's always possible', it's a false statement in our argument.
Already 4 people mentioned that.

Can we agree about this:
1. it IS possible that Earth could be hit by an object, said in general, without any specific event in mind
2. and NO, there is not a specific planet 9 or x coming to us, we on Earth can be sure about that, as we would know it already, and the enormous distance/eclipse doesn't allow such fast movement to us anyway.

It would help if we could agree about these 2 things

Zzzz now

[hubird]

However, you're the only one here who believes your prediction

I might be the only one in here (which I don’t believe it is the case), but don’t worry, I have a few hundred fellow believers in NASA and a few thousands in several government around the world that know even much more than what I know! As true as this celestial body existence, it is the fact that it has been know for many, many years already!

Thought you never trust NASA and governments

[Nestor]

However, you're the only one here who believes your prediction

I might be the only one in here (which I don’t believe it is the case), but don’t worry, I have a few hundred fellow believers in NASA and a few thousands in several government around the world that know even much more than what I know! As true as this celestial body existence, it is the fact that it has been know for many, many years already!

Thought you never trust NASA and governments

Don't you understand the meaning of this? They know! To trust NASA and the governments that do not want to tell the world what is comming upon us? Do you need for me to answer this?

[garyb]

It's impossible that a planet is on it's way to Earth without Earth not knowing it, Gary.
I.m.p.o.s.s.i.b.l.e.

hubird that is true based on what you know, but what you know is not complete.
it's also true that it may have been noticed and nobody bothered to tell you, or that nobody thought you should know.
you're only human. you are fallible.

hubird, what IS your occupation? you've never told us.

[dante]

Wouldn't it more likely hit the Sun ? Or Jupiter, who have greater gravitational attraction ?

[Nestor]

Wouldn't it more likely hit the Sun ? Or Jupiter, who have greater gravitational attraction ?

A hit against the earth? No, there will be no hit. It will come into our solar system and then pass by, so there will be no collision with any of our planets, including the earth. The problem is that Planet X has an extremely high density. Let say that the earth, for instance, has less matter compressed in a square meter than this planet has, just a figure or example so to imagine this fact. Planet X is suspected to have a lot more matter compressed in a square meter than most known planets around us. This means its mass is much heavier than ours, and so, its gravitational influence is really strong. Think about it: it is enormous and to top, it has a very heavy mass. This is actually the mayor problem and the scary part. Its enormous electromagnetism and gravitational attraction will change the surface of the earth. We will not be swallowed to be part of Planet X or anything like that, very far from that, but the earth will change completely its shape, as I say, and this is true.

Now, your question should be the opposite, because bigger planets have greater stability and smaller planets less stability, as their mass is smaller. It is just like trying to move a person, a thin man will be easier to move than a fat man. Nevertheless, when a huge object passes by the solar system, something special happens, as planets seem to work in an electromagnetic whole, kind of holding each other with more strength than normal, not to get out of their orbits. These are laws you will find in magnets and electromagnetism.

See how cool is “speaking” about the concepts, the ideas, the theories, whatever, without any need to insult each other, that’s cool, it's a pleasure and to the point.

[dante]

Sure. So if planetx is so dense, it's likely that planetx plus the Sun together make up 99.99998 % of the solar systems entire mass. The rest are just minnows having bugger all influence at all cosmologically.

But that being the case, then there's also an extremely high probability that the sun and planetx orbits have been stable for billenium. If the big objects offer more stabity then ergo so does thier orbits.

And for system destruction to take place it will be more likely due to a Solar demise than any X orbitary decay.

If Planetx were to compress to a neutron star or collapse otherwise into itself, that would seem a more plausible event that might alter the influence on the minnow orbits.

I'm not interested in this from a perspective of what rich geniuses or panic merchants reason. Only what comes from this discussion without reference to them.

[garyb]

20,000 year elliptical orbits.
just a few large objects need to be disturbed to make big problems. tides could be affected and earthquakes and volcanoes might become very active depending on what moves through the neighborhood and how close, or if anything even does. computer simulations show a real possibility of this. there's a link with a demonstration by an actual(apparent) scientist.

well, officially, there's nothing happening, so there's a high likelihood of nothing happening. as far as humans can tell, the whole system is pretty stable, but it has been chaotic in the past. the current orbits are not the original orbits and there's something large and broken between Mars and Jupiter. the moon is said to be the result of a catastrophic impact, but maybe not. Saturn is the god who ate his children. the rings around Saturn were probably a whole something or somethings once, but maybe not...

[dante]

But like you say, mans lifespan is just a pinprick in cosmohistory, so the likelihood of anything happening in the next 1000 years is about as remote as me going to Vegas and hitting a jackpot with $1AUD.

If these billionaire astrologers have calculated a decay in X orbit, then they ought to be able to rpedict with 100,000 years or so when the armageddon should happen.

In absence of such a date, I say if god wants my attention, he will knock on my door then Ill say hello, otherwise be gone mormons, adventists and other soothsayers of doom.

[garyb]

but say you went to Vegas and then DID hit on a $1 game. what then?

[Nestor]

Dante, I will try to follow:
The first thing I would say, is that Planet X is not part of our solar system, so we have a common starting point. Planet X belongs to a neighbor solar system. As it is being investigated by two groups of scientists right now, 1- those who know it from decades ago and 2- those starting to know something about it, there are different and contradictory approaches.

The first group knows much more than anyone would expect, they know in detail what is going on. There are at least two enormous observatories that have been created for and with the only purpose of following in detail, 24-7, what this planet does and how it moves, etc. They have done thousands and thousands of hours of observation and have clear conclusions, but this conclusions are not in the street, they are reserved and have been kept secret. In the other hand, as I said, the second group of scientists and astronomers are, by themselves, starting to find out that all the rumors are real, and there is a fight among them, because the first group do not want the world to know, and the second group does want for us to know the truth. It is complicated and dangerous. There are several astronomers that have been killed because of this, there are two that I can remember right now, one is an American guy, and the other is an Italian one. Both have been killed because they started to tell the truth, or at least, they tried to tell the truth about it.

Specifically speaking about what you are saying in your fist point, it is interesting to find out how the interaction between solar systems work. Every solar system is a whole, electromagnetically speaking, and it works in an interrelation of pushing and attracting between the celestial bodies that form such or such solar system. That means that, for instance, Mars has an influence in Venus, and Venus in Jupiter, and Jupiter in Saturn, and as a whole, there are many attraction and repulsion forces in between. But mysteriously, when an outsider body comes to the electromagnetic field that there exists between the planets, all the planets tend to change their field and gather together, kind of making an effort to keep their mechanics untouched, as much as possible, this is the intelligent inherent in everything, in space as it is in an atom. So, when the moment for Planet X arrives to get into our solar system, the whole solar system will, let say, defend itself magnetically, so even if this enormous planet gest into our home, it will not destroy the solar system, but it will change several planets surfaces, between them, the earth. We will be one of the most affected celestial bodies in our solar system, after Planet X have gone back to its own solar system.

Yes, mass density and gravitational power, as well as electromagnetic power, is related. The bigger the mass, the bigger the gravitational attraction. So it is correct to say that all planets, including Planet X, will keep in their own orbits. There is, nevertheless, the possibility for the earth to move its orbit a little farther from the Sun, but this is only based in calculations, this is not entirely sure.

When Planet X arrives to our solar System, will diminish its speed significantly, and so its influence will be stronger than expected calculation its current speed, which it is said to be extremely fast. This is due to its unusual orbital design. Most planets tend to orbit in a rather open oval, Planet X will do it in an unusually closed oval. The end of one of the two corners of its orbit, will coincide with the passing through our solar system, and so, we will see it pass by slowly, and then, it will go faster and faster when returning to the second half of its circular orbit.

Gary, yes, the surface of the world will move. It is very easy to understand what is going to happen. Let imagine a stick that you have passed through a ball of mud. The stick represents the magnetic poles and the mud is the earth. While the stick is in place and without movements, everything is fine, but if you move the stick, you will change entirely the surface of the mud ball. This is pretty much what is going to happen, and there are proves that this has happened several times already in our history. The evidences are under the deepest oceans and in top of the highest mountains, where you will find astonishingly, in these mountains, fossilized fish and other ocean and see objects, and in the see and oceans, entire mountains and enormous petrified forests. If you were to make studies about “time” of these petrified pieces, you will find they belong to the same era. That is because once, earth was waster, and water was earth. It is a natural process in which nature regenerates itself.

The evidences and the level of detail about Planet X consequences some governments have, is simply staggering. We will slowly make sense of everything, as they will not be able to hold the truth for much longer, and we will realize how central Planet X was to what is happening in the world at many levels: economically and politically for instance. Once the whole picture is grasped by the mass, Planet X is going to be seen as a central reality of our world, and it will be, definitely, the most important single event ever witnessed by mankind.

[dante]

but say you went to Vegas and then DID hit on a $1 game. what then?

We would ignore the odds of crashing in a plane being higher than winning a jackpot, and extend our trip to New York for a few weeks, then continue down the east coast to Miami for a few days then onto Quantum of the Seas for a Carribean cruise.

Dante, I will try to follow: The first thing I would say, is that Planet X is not part of our solar system, so we have a common starting point. Planet X belongs to a neighbor solar system.

So NASA is lying by saying it orbits the sun http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/planetx ?

As it is being investigated by two groups of scientists right now, 1- those who know it from decades ago and 2- those starting to know something about it, there are different and contradictory approaches.

The first group knows much more than anyone would expect, they know in detail what is going on. There are at least two enormous observatories that have been created for and with the only purpose of following in detail, 24-7, what this planet does and how it moves, etc. They have done thousands and thousands of hours of observation and have clear conclusions, but this conclusions are not in the street, they are reserved and have been kept secret. .

So how far thru this 20,000 year orbit cycle are we, and therefore when is the event due ? Like I said, without a date, this thing might as well be a comet, nuclear war or an ice age and we are just substituting one cataclysmic possibility for another. There can only be one end of world for 'our' mankind.

[JoPo]

Think about it: it is enormous and to top, it has a very heavy mass.

But I thought nobody have seen that planet !? How are you sure it's big ? Heavy mass, ok : that is how scientists detected its possible presence. And its orbit doesn't comes inside solar system :
according to NASA info. They extrapolated its existence with mathematical works on solar system objects trajectories, they never have seen it directly, then can't say if it's big or small, they can only speak about its mass. And as you said, Planet X has "an extremely high density", to know its density, if you know its mass, you need to know its volume and for knowing its volume, you must measure it and know how big it is, there is no way to know how big it is just by knowing its mass : it depends its density... If you know the mass and how big is an object, you can calculate its density, if you know how it's big and its density, you can calculate its mass ; if you know its mass and its density, you can calculate how it's big but if you know only its mass, you don't have any information about its density and how it's big.

Its enormous electromagnetism and gravitational attraction will change the surface of the earth. We will not be swallowed to be part of Planet X or anything like that, very far from that, but the earth will change completely its shape, as I say, and this is true.

If it's true, it's true because it's said. I didn't know electromagnetism can modify a planet shape, very interesting.

when a huge object passes by the solar system, something special happens, as planets seem to work in an electromagnetic whole, kind of holding each other with more strength than normal, not to get out of their orbits. These are laws you will find in magnets and electromagnetism.

I understood naïvely that attraction between heavy objects in space comes from gravity, or more precisly, space time deformation, I didn't know electromagnetism is involved. And mecanics forces coming from electromagnetism are exactly the same with magnetism alone : attractive or repulsive, always together. A north pole in front of a south pole are attracted and identical poles in front of each other reject themself. But laws you will find in magnets and electromagnetism are just science, and we don't know everything, science is changing all the time... And in that case, electromagnetism allows solar system planets to stay perfectly together while Planet X comes to inspect solar system. Especialy the 3rd one, called "Earth", where there is some bad people who are not very kind with each other.
But how a huge heavy planet can modify another planet shape without modify its orbit if those two objects are not orbiting around each other but the bigger one (and how !) just go through ? What kind of forces can deform something without modify its trajectory ? I'd like you to clear this point. Or electromagnetism is enough ? Really ?

The first group knows much more than anyone would expect, they know in detail what is going on. There are at least two enormous observatories that have been created for and with the only purpose of following in detail, 24-7, what this planet does and how it moves, etc. They have done thousands and thousands of hours of observation and have clear conclusions, but this conclusions are not in the street, they are reserved and have been kept secret. In the other hand, as I said, the second group of scientists and astronomers are, by themselves, starting to find out that all the rumors are real, and there is a fight among them, because the first group do not want the world to know, and the second group does want for us to know the truth. It is complicated and dangerous. There are several astronomers that have been killed because of this, there are two that I can remember right now, one is an American guy, and the other is an Italian one. Both have been killed because they started to tell the truth, or at least, they tried to tell the truth about it.

Man ! When you know secrets, you don't half do that ! How do you know all that if it's so secret ? You're very smart : it's totaly secret but you know ! How did you ? Don't tell me you readed it on internet, otherwise, I would doubt how secret it is. By the way, why the first group scientist wanted to keep secret that discovery ? For scientists, it's a good result from his work.

Specifically speaking about what you are saying in your fist point, it is interesting to find out how the interaction between solar systems work. Every solar system is a whole, electromagnetically speaking, and it works in an interrelation of pushing and attracting between the celestial bodies that form such or such solar system. That means that, for instance, Mars has an influence in Venus, and Venus in Jupiter, and Jupiter in Saturn, and as a whole, there are many attraction and repulsion forces in between. But mysteriously, when an outsider body comes to the electromagnetic field that there exists between the planets, all the planets tend to change their field and gather together, kind of making an effort to keep their mechanics untouched, as much as possible, this is the intelligent inherent in everything, in space as it is in an atom. So, when the moment for Planet X arrives to get into our solar system, the whole solar system will, let say, defend itself magnetically, so even if this enormous planet gest into our home, it will not destroy the solar system, but it will change several planets surfaces, between them, the earth. We will be one of the most affected celestial bodies in our solar system, after Planet X have gone back to its own solar system.

That is a revolution in cosmolgy ! All cosmologists are saying big systems like solar systems or galaxies stay together thank to gravity but in reality, it's because of electromagnetism ! Fantastic ! And when a heavy object comes to say hello, the system, that doesn't like strangers, shows solidarity and stay together. How scientists know that ? Did they make any observation of such an event ? I never heard of it. I heard their calculations results show when hugely massive object arrive inside a solar system, the solar system is so pertubate that after, some planets are missing, fell into the sun or for the ones that are the most lucky, find some completly new orbit.

Yes, mass density and gravitational power, as well as electromagnetic power, is related. The bigger the mass, the bigger the gravitational attraction. So it is correct to say that all planets, including Planet X, will keep in their own orbits. There is, nevertheless, the possibility for the earth to move its orbit a little farther from the Sun, but this is only based in calculations, this is not entirely sure.

For the earth orbit, that's what I already said : every planet keep their orbit except earth because we are very very bad. It's the punishment everybody is waiting for.

When Planet X arrives to our solar System, will diminish its speed significantly, and so its influence will be stronger than expected calculation its current speed, which it is said to be extremely fast. This is due to its unusual orbital design. Most planets tend to orbit in a rather open oval, Planet X will do it in an unusually closed oval. The end of one of the two corners of its orbit, will coincide with the passing through our solar system, and so, we will see it pass by slowly, and then, it will go faster and faster when returning to the second half of its circular orbit.

Even speed and inertia in space change in the cosmology revolution ! Objects goes slower when they come closer ! And faster when they go away ! But how can it come back if it goes faster when it goes away ? I don't understand nothing anymore ! I'm lost. 10 mn ago, I was sure it's the opposit.

the surface of the world will move. It is very easy to understand what is going to happen. Let imagine a stick that you have passed through a ball of mud. The stick represents the magnetic poles and the mud is the earth. While the stick is in place and without movements, everything is fine, but if you move the stick, you will change entirely the surface of the mud ball. This is pretty much what is going to happen, and there are proves that this has happened several times already in our history. The evidences are under the deepest oceans and in top of the highest mountains, where you will find astonishingly, in these mountains, fossilized fish and other ocean and see objects, and in the see and oceans, entire mountains and enormous petrified forests. If you were to make studies about “time” of these petrified pieces, you will find they belong to the same era. That is because once, earth was waster, and water was earth. It is a natural process in which nature regenerates itself.

Oh ! Another scientist revolution ! How earth's shape has been formed ! It's Planet X electromagnetism, of course ! The continental drift was a big joke to hide to people the truth !

The evidences and the level of detail about Planet X consequences some governments have, is simply staggering. We will slowly make sense of everything, as they will not be able to hold the truth for much longer, and we will realize how central Planet X was to what is happening in the world at many levels: economically and politically for instance. Once the whole picture is grasped by the mass, Planet X is going to be seen as a central reality of our world, and it will be, definitely, the most important single event ever witnessed by mankind.

Why did governments keed that amazing news secret ?? It's in 3 years ! Did they think we would not notice those amazing changes when planet X will be here ? Aren't they a bit stupid ?

Nestor ! I don't know anymore if you are serious or not, now ! It's really too big ! You are joking, aren't you ? I don't believe anyone can be serious when saying that. You are pulling our legs !
I must confess I believed it !

[Nestor]

but say you went to Vegas and then DID hit on a $1 game. what then?

We would ignore the odds of crashing in a plane being higher than winning a jackpot, and extend our trip to New York for a few weeks, then continue down the east coast to Miami for a few days then onto Quantum of the Seas for a Carribean cruise.

Dante, I will try to follow: The first thing I would say, is that Planet X is not part of our solar system, so we have a common starting point. Planet X belongs to a neighbor solar system.

So NASA is lying by saying it orbits the sun http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/planetx ?

As it is being investigated by two groups of scientists right now, 1- those who know it from decades ago and 2- those starting to know something about it, there are different and contradictory approaches.

The first group knows much more than anyone would expect, they know in detail what is going on. There are at least two enormous observatories that have been created for and with the only purpose of following in detail, 24-7, what this planet does and how it moves, etc. They have done thousands and thousands of hours of observation and have clear conclusions, but this conclusions are not in the street, they are reserved and have been kept secret. .

So how far thru this 20,000 year orbit cycle are we, and therefore when is the event due ? Like I said, without a date, this thing might as well be a comet, nuclear war or an ice age and we are just substituting one cataclysmic possibility for another. There can only be one end of world for 'our' mankind.

NASA may lie or not in regard to what you say, I don't know.

[Nestor]

Your post is very long, I cannot follow you in such a length. I have read only some of your words anyway to which I answer: Jopo, believe anything you want to believe. You do not depend on me, you are a free person, I guess... You answer to me as if I was expecting for you to believe me or as if I was interested in your person in a special way, well, I am not. I am not interested in convincing you of anything, this is always a waste of time. I can see you are not listening to what I say or write anyway, as there are many “inaccuracies” in your interpretations that you give for granted, but they are really important, similar to the first one, and then you keep going with the same again, stating that there is something that is going to happen in 3 year time, when I have already told you that: IN ABOUT 3 YERS, WE WILL SEE IT NEKED EYE IN THE SKY, that is all in regard with the 3 years, nothing else.

You are nurturing within yourself totally wrong emotions, your writings are full of emotional negativity, it doesn’t matter what you say, you write in an attacking way, sarcastic and unthoughtful, unfriendly. I am not interested in your words under such light. I love and like to talk with people when they use their real intelligence, not their low-voiced emotional aggression, fights never get to anywhere, it is really, a poor world I do not want to participate ever again. I honestly do not feel any good vive in talking to you anymore, not like this. If you keep writing in this thread or not it is of no interest to me. I think it is better if I tell you the truth, ok? I wish you well as a person, but you are not at all somebody I will relate with, after your posts I have no more interest and your way of thinking does not lead to anything.

If you want to keep into your personal dreams against the ghost you have made in your mind about my person, well, what can I do…, this is up to you, I cannot do anything but be amazed at how delusional, not having the person in front of you, can be.

Sorry brother, but don’t expect for me to keep answering to any of your posts, not even to read them.

A person is only that, a person…, we are nothing so worthy or super transcendental or irreplaceable in this world, as to rich such a level of importance that all you said must be answered or the world would not keep turning around. I understand that, do you?

To believe or not to believe, this is the quest!

[dawman]

I decided we were going to die.
So Iwent out and bought an 8 Ball of good Peruvian Flake, not the cheap Mexican crap, and a bottle of Jager.

I shall go out with a smile...

[Nestor]

I decided we were going to die.
So Iwent out and bought an 8 Ball of good Peruvian Flake, not the cheap Mexican crap, and a bottle of Jager.

I shall go out with a smile...

Brother, invite me please, I can add some trully good stuff to your already exelent elements...

Anyway, your desission was made well before we were born

[garyb]

dante-
i only said "if" as in "what if" "what then".
don't go bringing your reality into it. the universe doesn't have to follow the rules. it is the rules.


yes, i'm kidding.

[hubird]

Nestor, I'm not knowing so much about the four fundamental forces of nature —gravitational, electromagnetic, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear.
I've studied two famous popular-scientific books about it, even read them 3 times, to be sure I didn't miss much.
What you're saying about the electromagnetic force seems nonsense to me, and JoPo makes some good points regarding this.

BUT: let's suppose all you are arguing is true.
Then at every point in your argumentation there's the big question why would scientists keep it secret, and how would it be possible to keep it secret?

One single 'Edward Snowden' is enough to make and end of it.
One mail, one scientific report, one military message, one slip of the tongue of member of the Illuminati (your rich elite with the bunkers), and the secret has gone.

Your whole story is based on the belief in the conspiracy theory that thousands of individuals from the Illuminati ánd the circles around them, the very large groups of international scientists, would be able to keep it secret.

Therefor, the argument in this thread is not (only) if the story is scientifically possible or true, but all the more if we should believe the conspiracy covering theory on which your disastrous prediction relies.

I can state it also this way:
If the prediction is scientifically true, then the coming of the planet must have been covered so far by 'the powers behind'..
Otherwise we all would have read about it in every newspaper in the world.

Wise versa, if your conspiracy covering theory is false, then the scientific claims are also false, as we don't have heard about the coming planet yet.

I'm aware of the powers behind the institutions, who hasn't heard of the classic military-industrial complex for instance, but not one cell of my brains believes this can be covered.
Everyone who doesn't believe this covering conspiracy being possible in todays world can thus also forget about the scientific claims of you.
And so do I.

[Nestor]

One single 'Edward Snowden' is enough to make and end of it.
One mail, one scientific report, one military message, one slip of the tongue of member of the Illuminati (your rich elite with the bunkers), and the secret has gone.

Absolutely true, you just need to get to know these messages, mails, etc., because what you are suggesting has already happened for many years already.