There it comes, the huge visitor I was waiting for

[Nestor]

Nothing is gonna happen related to this planet one way or another.

well, if it IS actually out there, then something has already happened and will continue to happen. all the objects in the solar system affect each other. it might not make any difference to us, of course....

[Nestor]

Gary, i suppose you have to decide whether you are the moderator or a participant.

You can't take part in the discussions and then say to people "stfo" because then who moderates the moderator?

Also you can't reinforce to people your opinion like "the universe is full of possibilities so total destruction is a possibility"

Hubird, Pastor and JoPo are talking very logical, and if you disagree with their opinion you don't have to push it.

Nestor started a thread "about something very important that is going to happen" which is pretty absurd...

Well said.
Who moderates the moderator?
That's why he should not take the lead in every and all discussions.
Leave politics and life stuff to the community itself, so other people than the usual ones dare to jump on the wagon of a discussion.
Now all discussions circle always around the moderator, which is a strange thing of course.
Can you speak free if you also need the same moderator for technical problems? Or need a new key file from the support of S/C, who is the same moderator, etc.
It just doesn't feel good from members view, at least it how it feels for me.

How ridiculous this is, medieval rulers in the 21th century… Would you explain WHICH ARE THE REASONS a moderator cannot participate in a conversation?

You are trying to establish the rules but you are not a moderator, this shows again how closed your minds are people, I am not surprised you cannot accept anything different from what you have established in your minds. How could you possibly accept the possibility of the existence of a big planet coming to our solar system! Don’t you realize that this kind of “politics” or “rules” come from what you have learned and the indoctrination you have gone through? They do not come from something you are actually willing. I can hardly believe that friendly musicians, people related to art and freedom, can think in such a locked way. If you take a breath and then think, you would probably disagree with your own thoughts.

This society have trained us to think in a particular way, and what is apparent seems to lead the path. If we were to share a meal or some time together, we would most probably be friends and even have a great time playing music, or joking, whatever, but these unthoughtful conditionings really destroy mankind freedom. You are reacting not against a particular person, because you don’t know me in the first place, you are reacting because of the conditioning you have in your minds. Don’t you realize that you go very, very fats to conclusions and final thoughts, but you did not even ask fundamental questions as to decide? You jump into conclusions immediately, the only way of doing it, it is being preconditioned. If you go through all your own posts, you will see that you are highly illogical, and you pretend to be logical. If you were actually logical, the first thing you would have done, it is to inform yourselfer, but you did not. This is not my “idea” about anything, it is the analysis of this thread.

I have said I know something, this is all I have said, if you summarize it to a single phrase. But you have already judged without getting to know the facts, and sentence to death, without having actually judged. This is highly illogical.

[Nestor]

you show it with humor (smilies) but the actual threat I can feel...it is a warning.
Why a warning in a decent discussion anyway?

John was up to ban you two times in a row, and that was really serious I remember, for the same attitudes now you are repeating.

Hubird, do you realize you have not changed even a little tiny bit in 15 years or so? You are again using the exact same dirty strategies of old times when you get angry and disagree with somebody. One of them: You always use “others” and say that these “others” are saying or thinking in such or such a way, in representation of the whole community, how is it that you don’t see this is wrong? Common brother, we are all old enough to be playing games of the like. I think it is time for your go make a little change, at least, try. (I am telling you to accept about Planet X, I am talking about being sincere here)

[Nestor]

I'm really sorry to have to say that every single words I read here, Nestor, can be applyable to all those people who believe they own THE truth.

No, don’t be sorry! You are in your right to disagree, this is perfect! This is all there is to it, you believe differently, this is fine. Then we can build up from there to understand each other and enrich ourselves through the contrast. Which is not good, is to get angry and start a fight or a burlesque scenery, there is no need for it. Disagreement, absolutely welcomed

[Nestor]

Gary, why as soon as a new planet is discovered, one believe it is ridered and the end of the world is in 3 years ?

Did anyone said here something as big as: the end of the world comes in 3 years? Who said that? I have not read in any post here such a statement, and definitely, not in any of my posts.

Well, this is very, very interesting psychologically speaking, do you see? You have fall into a deep trap brother that shows you are EMOTIONALLY involved in this thread, and so, “subjective” in your perceptions and explanations. Your inflated logical thinking is in the floor right now, as you have gone as far as to say something extremely different from what I have said, to your convenience. You are being unfair and untruthful. Do you disagree with me? This is fine, and I respect you and like very much to interchange thoughts, but if you are dishonest, this is something else…

I have said “we will see Planet X it naked eye in the sky in about 3 years”, and you have said “I have said”, the end of the world comes in 3 years, believe it or not, this makes me really sad. It is hard to believe a person able to talk about science and theories and give complex explanations, like you do, cannot differentiate in an extremely simple semantic phrase the difference that there exists between this two utterly different ideas.

I am interested in talking to you, I love your music, and so, if emotionally we can have a connection through music, this is for sure we could understand each other. Please, don’t let yourself be carried away by fantasies about who I am, I am pretty sure we could be great friends and enjoy the presence of each other. Let start by being honest to each other.

[fra77x2]

Nestor in your village i guess you have internet.

Now it is time to get in addition a library ...

[Nestor]

Do you mean the library from which you’ve got “nothing is going to happen to this planet in one way or another”? One of the most illogical sentences I could have read in my entire life, and without offering any background to it…

I don’t think I want to get into your library brother… If your library gives you such an illogical thinking it is really not tempting at all to accept your offering.

[garyb]

Gary, why as soon as a new planet is discovered, one believe it is ridered and the end of the world is in 3 years ? Why when someone sees something unusual in the sky, thousans of people claim it's UFO ? Not only Planet X : years ago, people was believing moon, march were full of other people. One morning, people found a wind turbine propela suddenly broken, some other conclude "that can only be some E.T. but when manufacturer technicians came to investigate, they found a manufacture problem. In paris, a couple opened its window and noticed new phone antena on the other side of the street, they start to feel really bad, sick, they believed they are "electromagnetic sensible", like they saw in every television or media ; but the antenas were not working !! How many people thought the 2012/12/21 (I'm not sure about the date...) was the last day of our world ? How the solar temple membres did commit suicide all together, some adults with their children ? How a football player can pray before a match ; and in each team, they pray : poor god ! How to choose ? And there is so many other examples ! No need to remember how many war and deaths religions did and still do !

Every event anyone witnesses will make anyone thinking, trying to understand how, when, what happend and anyone will conclude anything. Science way of concluding is the only one that allow to undertand really and transormed our life and world so much. Some says : science is just another way of reasoning it's not better or worst than other ; that is where they are wrong : chinese, indian, american or european science have no difference when cultures are different. Science is the only one everybody will agree if he takes the time to learn. I can't say christians are wrong, the truth of Genesis is that the sun child, the moon, let fall a small peace of its body on earth and created humans with that matter. Which expalnation would be the best ? When a new species appears, it's accepted by any scientist from any culture or religion. And ONLY science way of thinking gets RESULT. If religion or mystical way of thiking would have result, there were no more war, diseases, hunger, unjustice in the world ; since a looOOoong time ! No ?

first, i don't need a lecture on science. i grew up in a family of scientists and philosophers. my grandfather started the chemistry department at a major company and my uncle started the philosophy department at a major university out here. i grew up reading science journals and read every book of a scientific nature that i could find while in school. i am not against science at all(i keep saying this). you want to make everything fit into your box, including me, but i don't fit in there.

neither science nor religion can stop wars. both are used for excuses for wars, like the cream-puff war here, but neither are the cause. thanks for your prejudices, though.

this thread has nothing to do with religion anyway. i never mentioned a religion. i said science and spirituality both have their purposes and both can be useful for DIFFERENT things.

this has nothing to do with this thread. we are arguing about nothing. i am not against you.

[garyb]

is this a real argument?
are there really things that are disagreed about?
science is good for what it is good for.
faith and spirituality are good for what they are good for.
surely no sane man can argue that.

God speaking?
Let them talk man, it's fun to talk, whatever is the subject.

Yes, there are really things that are disagreed about.
JoPo just explained it,in a fantastic post, and the thread itself developed based on disagreement.
What's the problem?

yes, God speaking. stop trolling me. you say that you feel a threat but you are trying to provoke me. how stupid are you? "that bear seems mean, let's poke it with a stick. it seems to be ignoring us, let's poke it again!" can't we just live together with our opinions and respect each other? i certainly can. can we?

but about what you just wrote, you obviously do not understand the english. your english is always a confused jumble, but it's better than my Dutch by light years.

what is disagreed with by some, is the meaning of Nestor's very first post, and the reality of Nestor's friend who gave him a grim report. all the rest is something else. it is peoples' personal prejudices. look, if you think Nestor is wrong or crazy, that is your business.

[garyb]

Planet X is theoretical. In the video Nestor linked to, the researchers at CALTECH are trying to explain unusual elliptical orbits using computer models, which is how they came up with this idea. There is a great video that illustrates this with a computer model and an easy to follow commentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRr8WvFuJ4M

For those who doubt the existence of Planet X, the video offers an alternative explanation for the elliptical orbits. This was a great off topic post. Thanks Nestor for posting it.

nobody has a comment on this VERY fun and relevant(to the conversation) video? is anyone talking about the OP other than 53E7 or is everyone just defending a position?

[Nestor]

Look, this is an interesting reading with some details:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/01/ ... lar-system

[Nestor]

What I can see now, is that, when the time is arrived for all to discover and know about this new enormous planet, it’s going to be a revolution in every sense, and all kind of informations and occurrences that today are happening, will be finally related and understood. Everything will match everything else, and we will understand how real all this is. It will come as a tremendous shock, due to the resistance and so, the lack of digestion in advance that people is doing because they don't give a chance for it to exist in their minds.

I personally don’t need to investigate anything because I am 100% certain that this is going to happen. But due to this thread, I am now and then searching the internet and I am sure there is a campaign of misinformation or disinformation to confuse people, because those who know about it are doing their best so you do not know about it. You will, unfortunately, discover this is also true, the egoism of the elites is amazing! Nevertheless, between this information misadventures, I can recognize many real pieces of information because I know it from before. For instance, the fact that the electromagnetic field has been severely transformed in just a few years, read this interesting article, it will make you think:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... -expected/

They say here that a flip of the magnetic field could happen in thousands of years, of course i could, but this not what is going to happen, it will be accelerated because of the electromagnetic field of Planet X over the earth, so this flip is going to take just a few decades, no more than that.

[JoPo]

I have said “we will see Planet X it naked eye in the sky in about 3 years”, and you have said “I have said”, the end of the world comes in 3 years, believe it or not, this makes me really sad. It is hard to believe a person able to talk about science and theories and give complex explanations, like you do, cannot differentiate in an extremely simple semantic phrase the difference that there exists between this two utterly different ideas.

If a 10 times bigger than earth planet would be seen with naked eyes, the consequences on fragile balanced solar system would be a huge smash ! Especialy at that speed ! Didn't you say that to avoid Planet X "meeting" , -"THERE IS A JOB TO BE DONE, and it is thinking about our society and ourselves as individuals and how good are we doing in life, think about the way in which we treat each other, how we behave in life in regard to finances, your family, your friends, your workers, your girl, your mother, people in the street, and make the effor to hearing the call that want to get you back to the basic values in life, like love, charity, forgiveness and so forth. For me, so, it is much more a spiritual revolution than a physical problem, that is."- ? Shouldn't I understand that if there were more good people with their family, friends, workers, girl, mother, people in the street, Planet X would not be a problem ?
Didn't you say that very very rich people is very very smart because look : they have so much money they buy amazingly expensive bunkers and the world belongs to them, even the money you have in your pocket ? Those people are, of course, the most intelligents, otherwise they would not be so hugely rich. Should I understand that they are much much much smarter than scientists, thus scientists don't believe at all that Armagedon is in some weeks ? Am I wrong to understand you believe like them and there is something enormous that is going to fall on our faces, whatever it is : crazy planet, extraterrestrial invasion, atomic war, terrorist nuclear attak, day of judgement etc...

Ah... Sorry it thought... Then, it's very hard to understand your meaning. Try to be more clear : I even don't speak and understand english very well.

[JoPo]

first, i don't need a lecture on science. i grew up in a family of scientists and philosophers. my grandfather started the chemistry department at a major company and my uncle started the philosophy department at a major university out here. i grew up reading science journals and read every book of a scientific nature that i could find while in school. i am not against science at all(i keep saying this). you want to make everything fit into your box, including me, but i don't fit in there.

neither science nor religion can stop wars. both are used for excuses for wars, like the cream-puff war here, but neither are the cause. thanks for your prejudices, though.

this thread has nothing to do with religion anyway. i never mentioned a religion. i said science and spirituality both have their purposes and both can be useful for DIFFERENT things.

this has nothing to do with this thread. we are arguing about nothing. i am not against you.

Ah.. Ok.. Sorry.. So forget it, I'm talking with Nestor.

[garyb]

scientists are not all of one mind.

whatever.

perhaps if everyone did behave better, we'd be more likely to survive such an object.

perhaps the object does not exist.

perhaps the object exists, but it doesn't matter.

perhaps everyone is doomed, but the folks in the know just won't admit this publicly.

perhaps, it's just a fun afternoon or evening "shooting the breeze".



on any case, there's nothing to be upset about in this thread.
why so angry?

[dante]

Well, we all know earth is doomed, like every other planet swallowed by imploding/exploding sun. Suns with 3 times the mass of our sun should theoretically collapse, become neutron stars, or supernova first shedding mass throughout the galaxy. Either way, all suns die. Any of these events would make the 'Big Planet' scenario look like a ping pong ball in a kids nursery, and there's no proof that the big planet wouldn't also get consumed in this event way before its orbit decayed by way of its own independent loss of momentum.

The Day the Sun Exploded I was lying in bed
My friend rushed in and told me he said 'Everybody's dead !!'
I went downstairs and made a coffee, turned on Channel 2
The woman said 'its true we're dead there's nothing you can do'

I got dressed and went outside to check out what she'd said
Sure enough, everybody that I met was dead
People at the bus stop had begun to decompose
They paid their fare and went to work, from habit I suppose

[Nestor]

I have said “we will see Planet X it naked eye in the sky in about 3 years”, and you have said “I have said”, the end of the world comes in 3 years, believe it or not, this makes me really sad. It is hard to believe a person able to talk about science and theories and give complex explanations, like you do, cannot differentiate in an extremely simple semantic phrase the difference that there exists between this two utterly different ideas.

If a 10 times bigger than earth planet would be seen with naked eyes, the consequences on fragile balanced solar system would be a huge smash ! Especialy at that speed ! Didn't you say that to avoid Planet X "meeting" , -"THERE IS A JOB TO BE DONE, and it is thinking about our society and ourselves as individuals and how good are we doing in life, think about the way in which we treat each other, how we behave in life in regard to finances, your family, your friends, your workers, your girl, your mother, people in the street, and make the effor to hearing the call that want to get you back to the basic values in life, like love, charity, forgiveness and so forth. For me, so, it is much more a spiritual revolution than a physical problem, that is."- ? Shouldn't I understand that if there were more good people with their family, friends, workers, girl, mother, people in the street, Planet X would not be a problem ?
Didn't you say that very very rich people is very very smart because look : they have so much money they buy amazingly expensive bunkers and the world belongs to them, even the money you have in your pocket ? Those people are, of course, the most intelligents, otherwise they would not be so hugely rich. Should I understand that they are much much much smarter than scientists, thus scientists don't believe at all that Armagedon is in some weeks ? Am I wrong to understand you believe like them and there is something enormous that is going to fall on our faces, whatever it is : crazy planet, extraterrestrial invasion, atomic war, terrorist nuclear attak, day of judgement etc...

Ah... Sorry it thought... Then, it's very hard to understand your meaning. Try to be more clear : I even don't speak and understand english very well.

No, you should not. You have to understand what it is said as it is said, not what you think it is said. Nice try, but it didn’t work.

[hubird]

However, you're the only one here who believes your prediction

[garyb]

that may be so.

so?

the number of people who believe something has nothing to do with it's truth or falsehood. again, i don't expect a big visitor, i just know it's always possible.

[Nestor]

However, you're the only one here who believes your prediction

I might be the only one in here (which I don’t believe it is the case), but don’t worry, I have a few hundred fellow believers in NASA and a few thousands in several governments around the world that know even much more than what I do! As true as this celestial body existence, it is the fact that it has been know for many, many years already! It seems that I am not alone after all...