this isn't related to the drivers, howeever.
Scope freezing again
Re: Scope freezing again
i'm glad that it's working better. i would expect ACPI to work better in win8 than win7 or XP. glad to see that it does...
this isn't related to the drivers, howeever.
this isn't related to the drivers, howeever.
Re: Scope freezing again
hehe
that's really strange how it performs now
I now hope that the freeze has gone in the same way, but It's the last chance before moving hardware.
But in addition to that, I got some BSOD (driver-irql-not-less-or-equal") when pushing the mv test to the top when I try to tweak more then 11 mesterverbs...Can this bsod be understandable or is it anormal ?
By now, i've just installed scope without any sequencer or antivirus.
I was thinking about the ram before the mb because ..it's less expensive... i don't have enough money by now to buy a good asus p8f or supermicro 1150 mb with its processor...
I think I've some friends with i7 system which will lend me their ram during some days for testing
But as the memory performs perfect during memtest, I didn't think they could be faulty, but who knows...
I've put acpi 2.0 in the bios for install, but let disable the acpi sleep state as it was by default. Don't know if it could be better to enable it, but all seems ok on this side.
The fact the wave driver had crackles with win7 and not with win8 leads me to think that mb drivers for win7 are in cause.
Win8 seems really better than win7 on this mb ! It loads faster, and solved some problems alone !
I've installed ahci too, no problem this time with iastor service.
i've played with 2 sc-plate and 1 rmx160 (and a ducking delay) into my main project which contain lots of devices and asio input (you can see it in my 1st message),, and it's ok, no bsod by now after 15mn of loading/unloading sc-plate, ambience etc and pushing the pci bandwith limit message
that's really strange how it performs now
I now hope that the freeze has gone in the same way, but It's the last chance before moving hardware.
But in addition to that, I got some BSOD (driver-irql-not-less-or-equal") when pushing the mv test to the top when I try to tweak more then 11 mesterverbs...Can this bsod be understandable or is it anormal ?
By now, i've just installed scope without any sequencer or antivirus.
I was thinking about the ram before the mb because ..it's less expensive... i don't have enough money by now to buy a good asus p8f or supermicro 1150 mb with its processor...
I think I've some friends with i7 system which will lend me their ram during some days for testing
But as the memory performs perfect during memtest, I didn't think they could be faulty, but who knows...
I've put acpi 2.0 in the bios for install, but let disable the acpi sleep state as it was by default. Don't know if it could be better to enable it, but all seems ok on this side.
The fact the wave driver had crackles with win7 and not with win8 leads me to think that mb drivers for win7 are in cause.
Win8 seems really better than win7 on this mb ! It loads faster, and solved some problems alone !
I've installed ahci too, no problem this time with iastor service.
i've played with 2 sc-plate and 1 rmx160 (and a ducking delay) into my main project which contain lots of devices and asio input (you can see it in my 1st message),, and it's ok, no bsod by now after 15mn of loading/unloading sc-plate, ambience etc and pushing the pci bandwith limit message
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Re: Scope freezing again
I'm glad I skipped Vista and Win7 and went straight from XP to Win8 for Scope audio.
What are your Scope latency settings ? Same in Win 8 as in Win 7 ?
What are your Scope latency settings ? Same in Win 8 as in Win 7 ?
Re: Scope freezing again
couldn't be anything wrong with the os.... 
Re: Scope freezing again
Concerning asio, everthing was perfect with win7. It was the wave driver that had pops and crackles. I didn't manage to make them disappear.
The latency I can use is the minimum 3ms with no problem, as usual.
Everthing run perfectly with win8, but the great thing is that Scope reacts really fast now, with the 3 card one the same PCI bus 7 while the graphic card is managed differently with win8.
The computer can support 11 or 12 masterverbs with the 1st real warning at 9/10.
Even when warning for DSP or pci bandwith, scope reacts faster than ever (the 6th masterverb during the test has usualy a pci error message that Scope solve in half a second.
Win XP was able to load the same amount of mv but as I said, since I formated the disk last year it never had been the same, and was reduced to 5/6, that I never understood
So i'm happy
I've seen that I had faster response when the scope card was master, and I couldn' change the natural order of the cards in cset.ini, otherwise mv decreased to 8/9 with slower reactions from Scope, instead of 12 mv and fast Scope
Once everything installed, I quickly made a backup with macrium Reflect
I don't know yet if the freeze has gone...
The latency I can use is the minimum 3ms with no problem, as usual.
Everthing run perfectly with win8, but the great thing is that Scope reacts really fast now, with the 3 card one the same PCI bus 7 while the graphic card is managed differently with win8.
The computer can support 11 or 12 masterverbs with the 1st real warning at 9/10.
Even when warning for DSP or pci bandwith, scope reacts faster than ever (the 6th masterverb during the test has usualy a pci error message that Scope solve in half a second.
Win XP was able to load the same amount of mv but as I said, since I formated the disk last year it never had been the same, and was reduced to 5/6, that I never understood
So i'm happy
I've seen that I had faster response when the scope card was master, and I couldn' change the natural order of the cards in cset.ini, otherwise mv decreased to 8/9 with slower reactions from Scope, instead of 12 mv and fast Scope
Once everything installed, I quickly made a backup with macrium Reflect
I don't know yet if the freeze has gone...
Re: Scope freezing again
Well, 3ms is way better than what I've ever had
Re: Scope freezing again
I had some troubles with my setup, but i've always set the latency to the minimum if wanted (in fact I don't mind at all by using the real time side of Scope).
I didn't have the freeze this morning
No more bsod since i've put te scope card as master...
So after months, the system is faster than ever, without any bug at all with all softs installed...
If I had known that Win8 was so efficiently with this mb, i would have installed it since the 1st day
I didn't have the freeze this morning
No more bsod since i've put te scope card as master...
So after months, the system is faster than ever, without any bug at all with all softs installed...
If I had known that Win8 was so efficiently with this mb, i would have installed it since the 1st day
Re: Scope freezing again
Ok, I've tested with new ram and it freezes too
I now should try with another motherboard . I think it can wait for another day a this setup seems to work perfectly
Or maybe install another cheap 1156 motherboard as p7p55d-LE
I'll try tonight to disable all the drives except the system disk, because win8 has told me that a disk has a default and ask me to perform chdsk ....maybe a miracle....
I now should try with another motherboard . I think it can wait for another day a this setup seems to work perfectly
Or maybe install another cheap 1156 motherboard as p7p55d-LE
I'll try tonight to disable all the drives except the system disk, because win8 has told me that a disk has a default and ask me to perform chdsk
....maybe a miracle....
Last edited by guppy on Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:42 am, edited 3 times in total.
Re: Scope freezing again
yes, a bad hdd will make it freeze...
run chkdsk. if it's just a bad sector, chkdsk will mark it and then windows will avoid it.
run chkdsk. if it's just a bad sector, chkdsk will mark it and then windows will avoid it.
Re: Scope freezing again
ok, not the HDD too ...
I must now try to put hdd on other sata ports...another thing may be to change the stdm cables...who knows
Maybe I can get a Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 to test at least the mb.
I must now try to put hdd on other sata ports...another thing may be to change the stdm cables...who knows
Maybe I can get a Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 to test at least the mb.
Re: Scope freezing again
Ok, today I've found other interesting things
I've found a workaround for ppl who have freeze with win8, but it shouldn't be my pbl as I had it since winXP.
But I've found that "turbo Mode" was activated in the bios of my mb, and I've never seen it (it was activated by default when I was using AUTO memory timing and blck to the mb......
)
And this function appears only in the latest bios and was enable by default...
That's surely why this problem didn't occur when I used my setup before, and why I under estimate it.
It could explain why only 1 core was freezed with Scope.exe, as the computer can't leave this 1 core state, and so try to oc it when I re-use Scope after long time, which lead Scope to freeze.
I've seen it by using HWiNFO32, and saw that cpu frequency was changing a little at each analyse...I've found that it was because the turbo mode activity.
As far as I understand, it's a bios level process made to use the smallest number of cores, with having the possibility to over or underclock it on the fly.
I've disabled it and made this change too:
http://withinwindows.com/2012/06/28/wor ... ng-issues/
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.ph ... zing-issue
bcdedit /set disabledynamictick yes
(with administrator rights)
I've just made a topic for this "WIndows 8 Dynamic Ticks Freezing issue " ,as it seems it can be important for DAW.
I've tried this setup since yesterday, and today it was ok when I've loaded some synths and used Scope
As I've already been deceived many times with this problem, I won't sing for victory by now, but maybe it's solved ....
I've found a workaround for ppl who have freeze with win8, but it shouldn't be my pbl as I had it since winXP.
But I've found that "turbo Mode" was activated in the bios of my mb, and I've never seen it (it was activated by default when I was using AUTO memory timing and blck to the mb......
)And this function appears only in the latest bios and was enable by default...
That's surely why this problem didn't occur when I used my setup before, and why I under estimate it.
It could explain why only 1 core was freezed with Scope.exe, as the computer can't leave this 1 core state, and so try to oc it when I re-use Scope after long time, which lead Scope to freeze.
I've seen it by using HWiNFO32, and saw that cpu frequency was changing a little at each analyse...I've found that it was because the turbo mode activity.
As far as I understand, it's a bios level process made to use the smallest number of cores, with having the possibility to over or underclock it on the fly.
I've disabled it and made this change too:
http://withinwindows.com/2012/06/28/wor ... ng-issues/
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.ph ... zing-issue
bcdedit /set disabledynamictick yes
(with administrator rights)
I've just made a topic for this "WIndows 8 Dynamic Ticks Freezing issue " ,as it seems it can be important for DAW.
I've tried this setup since yesterday, and today it was ok when I've loaded some synths and used Scope
As I've already been deceived many times with this problem, I won't sing for victory by now, but maybe it's solved ....