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I sure would like to know what you people think about Logic compared to 3DAT.
I'm mainly interested in multi-track audio recording. Not so much about sequencing. Does Logic handle just plain ol' audio as well as 3DAT? Or is it more geared to be a sequencer?
I've always thought 3DAT's strength was it's simplicity in handling/editing of plain ol' audio.
I'm mainly interested in multi-track audio recording. Not so much about sequencing. Does Logic handle just plain ol' audio as well as 3DAT? Or is it more geared to be a sequencer?
I've always thought 3DAT's strength was it's simplicity in handling/editing of plain ol' audio.
kriz, I would say check out Nuendo and Sonic Foundry ACID or Vegas first... Mostly audio-based, and really straightfoward to use.
I absolutely love Logic the more I understand and use it, honestly I can't imagine anything coming close to it's power once you start exploiting the environment, but I could understand a lot of musicians aren't going to bother to take the time to learn it... for a MIDI-based studio though I would say Logic is hands down the most powerful if you're willing to sit with the manual and learn it.
I absolutely love Logic the more I understand and use it, honestly I can't imagine anything coming close to it's power once you start exploiting the environment, but I could understand a lot of musicians aren't going to bother to take the time to learn it... for a MIDI-based studio though I would say Logic is hands down the most powerful if you're willing to sit with the manual and learn it.
wow sub. you almost sold me on Logic! I am a Cubase freak (esp. with SX coming out soon) but you just gave me this feeling, to go find logic and press that "add to cart" buttonOn 2002-05-21 09:44, subhuman wrote:
...for a MIDI-based studio though I would say Logic is hands down the most powerful if you're willing to sit with the manual and learn it.
What is so special and powerful about Logic? I heard it lets you control your studio devices in a better way, is that true?
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As for my experience, L5 is very stable running on both 98SE and XP Pro on my box. Just a little annoying ASIO overloads, but that's just require some tweaking. I'm really glad that I got it although L5 is a little bit too much for what I want. Sub is right, one must put effort in sitting down and reading the manual! It's like you need to be a freakin' rocket scientist to get around the L5 environment!
I agree, 3DAT is very straight forward. I'll use it along side L5. I'm not much for the MIDI power either, I'm more for audio processing and simplicity which 3DAT brings.
I was advised going to Nuendo but that cost $$$! It would be very ineresting to see if Creamware will fuse tripleDAT with VDAT - new user configurable tripleSKINS over the VDAT engine! SMPTE, automation - the works! But sadly, it's only a dream...
If you will venture out of the 3DAT realm, Nuendo will be the closest you'll find as far as the environment interface is concerned, although the upcoming Cubase SX, which is based on Nuendo, will have a similar face.
I agree, 3DAT is very straight forward. I'll use it along side L5. I'm not much for the MIDI power either, I'm more for audio processing and simplicity which 3DAT brings.
I was advised going to Nuendo but that cost $$$! It would be very ineresting to see if Creamware will fuse tripleDAT with VDAT - new user configurable tripleSKINS over the VDAT engine! SMPTE, automation - the works! But sadly, it's only a dream...
If you will venture out of the 3DAT realm, Nuendo will be the closest you'll find as far as the environment interface is concerned, although the upcoming Cubase SX, which is based on Nuendo, will have a similar face.
I have been using Logic since it was Notator and seen it grow. I will not start telling you that it is the best program in the world as I am a little basis.
But I have been able to set Logic Plat 5.1.2 on Windows XP Pro using two Pulsar cards (PULSAR II and XTC) together links as one big XTC card. And then use a Delta1010 card for I/O's. And it works great.
All the new logic Automation features work in Logic with the Pulsar plugins really really well. So you can Automate any funtion or part of any XTC plugin you need.
With the plugin compensation function in Logic the Latency is really low. Also I am looking forward to seeing it run on a dual cpu system because in Logic you can set up with cpu processes what. Therefore you will be able to have the xtc plugins off the pulsars, the logic plugins off one of the cpu chips and the rest off the other cpu.
mmmmm...
And well the Logic plugin and software system a very very cool.
So anyway I will go back to making music now and not just wishing I could.
But I have been able to set Logic Plat 5.1.2 on Windows XP Pro using two Pulsar cards (PULSAR II and XTC) together links as one big XTC card. And then use a Delta1010 card for I/O's. And it works great.
All the new logic Automation features work in Logic with the Pulsar plugins really really well. So you can Automate any funtion or part of any XTC plugin you need.
With the plugin compensation function in Logic the Latency is really low. Also I am looking forward to seeing it run on a dual cpu system because in Logic you can set up with cpu processes what. Therefore you will be able to have the xtc plugins off the pulsars, the logic plugins off one of the cpu chips and the rest off the other cpu.
mmmmm...
And well the Logic plugin and software system a very very cool.
So anyway I will go back to making music now and not just wishing I could.
Interesting comments but I'm not sold on Logic, Cubase, Sonor or any of the sequencers as a replacement for 3DAT.
The sad thing is, I spent close to two thousand dollars on 3DAT/Osiris/Firewalkers originally and then another hundred bux for the recent 3.11 upgrade. The thought of spending yet another couple of grand or whatever Nuendo costs doesn't play well with me.
3DAT still works here and I am making money with it. I guess I'll just keep using it until Creamware comes out with QuadrupleDAT
The sad thing is, I spent close to two thousand dollars on 3DAT/Osiris/Firewalkers originally and then another hundred bux for the recent 3.11 upgrade. The thought of spending yet another couple of grand or whatever Nuendo costs doesn't play well with me.
3DAT still works here and I am making money with it. I guess I'll just keep using it until Creamware comes out with QuadrupleDAT
Yeah, Logic's the one...
Just thought I'd add something as seen the discussion and have some experience with all the programs talked about and external recording world too...hope this helps decisions..
I've been using it for 9 years and have tried all the others at particular times...
(own Nuendo+Cubase, have owned Protools software)
Steinberg tends to be faster with new innovations but when the Logic versions come out, they are generally even better than Steinberg's.
I must say, Nuendo is awesome for use with film (and 5.1 mixing as you can get a DTS encoder which is not possible on the Logic Audio v5 front...yet) as it gives you frames across the top synced to the audio and each audio clip has it's own level (non destuctive/realtime) but now with Logic Audio v5's automation (used to be really crap), although complex, its now very powerful and works great without clicks. The sync works better than anything else too especially with Unitor (almost as good as a Fairlight MFX or Neve and certainly usable)
You CAN just use it as an audio system/protools competitor infact, using it with Pulsar/SCOPE makes the system far more creative and powerful than anything else ever..(really, in fact, most pro protools people have been using Logic Audio for eons...)You'll get heaps of tracks with a Pentium II/III/IV and reasonably fast Hdisk (IBM 7200RPM EIDE works fine don't need Ultrawide SCSI)at least 32 tracks 24 bit 44.1khz at ounce...
The Logic Audio Plug-ins have been awesome for some time and much more creatively flexible/better sounding than any built-in/native plug-ins around (they have a great sound). Ounce you start using Logic, you'll never use anything else for more than a look see...It'll take some time to learn, don't expect to like it for a few weeks, possibly months. I hated my first version when going from Unitor on Atari...
Their technical support is appaulingly poor, it sux, as they've never responded to an email from me in the entire 9 years of use...Even when teaching it at a pro audio school....Lucky I don't need'em.
It works better, i think on PC now than Mac (was never that way) as I have both and use the two systems side by side daily. The PC is just cheaper and more stable now and works better with Pulsar software I think (only my opinion).
Cheers all
your
Sleep-free Scope developer
Just thought I'd add something as seen the discussion and have some experience with all the programs talked about and external recording world too...hope this helps decisions..
I've been using it for 9 years and have tried all the others at particular times...
(own Nuendo+Cubase, have owned Protools software)
Steinberg tends to be faster with new innovations but when the Logic versions come out, they are generally even better than Steinberg's.
I must say, Nuendo is awesome for use with film (and 5.1 mixing as you can get a DTS encoder which is not possible on the Logic Audio v5 front...yet) as it gives you frames across the top synced to the audio and each audio clip has it's own level (non destuctive/realtime) but now with Logic Audio v5's automation (used to be really crap), although complex, its now very powerful and works great without clicks. The sync works better than anything else too especially with Unitor (almost as good as a Fairlight MFX or Neve and certainly usable)
You CAN just use it as an audio system/protools competitor infact, using it with Pulsar/SCOPE makes the system far more creative and powerful than anything else ever..(really, in fact, most pro protools people have been using Logic Audio for eons...)You'll get heaps of tracks with a Pentium II/III/IV and reasonably fast Hdisk (IBM 7200RPM EIDE works fine don't need Ultrawide SCSI)at least 32 tracks 24 bit 44.1khz at ounce...
The Logic Audio Plug-ins have been awesome for some time and much more creatively flexible/better sounding than any built-in/native plug-ins around (they have a great sound). Ounce you start using Logic, you'll never use anything else for more than a look see...It'll take some time to learn, don't expect to like it for a few weeks, possibly months. I hated my first version when going from Unitor on Atari...
Their technical support is appaulingly poor, it sux, as they've never responded to an email from me in the entire 9 years of use...Even when teaching it at a pro audio school....Lucky I don't need'em.
It works better, i think on PC now than Mac (was never that way) as I have both and use the two systems side by side daily. The PC is just cheaper and more stable now and works better with Pulsar software I think (only my opinion).
Cheers all
your
Sleep-free Scope developer