Installing scope 4 on windows 7 HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[delron22]

I've just upgraded to windows 7 and chose to install 64bit.

I went to install my Scope home card and am not able to install the driver so cannot load Scope 4. I've got a lengthy build ahead of me and really want to get cracking but I'm now stumped.

When I try to update the driver I get windows error saying I dont have a 64 bit driver.

Am I going to have to re-build agin at 32bit (AGHHHHHH) or can I find a compatable driver anywhere to let me proceed - I understand that scope will run 32bit - is it possible????????


Please help!!!!!!

[t_tangent]

Scope only runs in 32bit at the moment. Sonic Core are on the verge of releasing Scope 5.0 64bit but it is taking longer than expected. But Scope 4.x is only 32bit.

I also have Win 7 64 bit ready for when they release it, but for now I am running Scope 5 on Win 7 32bit and in runs well. There are still some bugs which need sorting but those can be worked around for the most part, and the system is very stable here. I am pretty sure Scope 4.5 should work on Win 7 32bit although I havent tried that version as I am running XITE-1 which runs Scope 5.

[next to nothing]

I can confirm that scope 4.5 works on win 7 32bit

[David]

I can confirm that scope 4.5 works on win 7 32bit

+1

[soylent.green]

welcome delron22 in the world of today
* attention: this post contains sarcasm *
look into http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=28631 and you'll find answers that will tell you:
1.) 64bit is nothing you need anyway and is the most overrated hype. it will bring you nothing in terms of productivity, performance, stability,...most probably you have switched to 64bit for no reason at all but marketing promises. ah...apart from, no, no, there's only the 4GB limit that 64bit no longer have
2.) Most vsti plug-ins or any other music production software is also still 32bit (except cubase, some free vst/i plug-ins, some commercial vst, etc, etc...)
3.) sonic-core is a small company and they will deliver soon. be patient or do you want to be blamed for forcing them to release unstable software. You fool!
4.) the best solution is to build a) a dual computer configuration, with a dedicated 32bit scope host or b) a dual boot configuration for just running scope...happy switching.
5.) Did I already mention: Things are going to happen soon.

Forgive me my sarcsam...I've switched to 64bit in feb and still, patiently waiting, enjoying my 6GB core7i which let's me run several virtual machines and cubase and stuff in parallel. With that experience and other *improvements* of 64 bit systems I've learnt that it's realy true: 64bit is nothing anybody would need

[astroman]

a really nice condensation...
just one question:
what are those 'nice experiences' besides several VMs and Cubase parallel that depend on 64bit and give you so much joy ?
I'm sure you don't think 'sample mem' as that's just plain stupid imo
(I know there may be different viewpoints about that particular item...)

cheers, Tom

[Music Manic]

I can confirm that scope 4.5 works on win 7 32bit

Are there any advantages over Windows XP?

[soylent.green]

a really nice condensation...
just one question:
what are those 'nice experiences' besides several VMs and Cubase parallel that depend on 64bit and give you so much joy ?
I'm sure you don't think 'sample mem' as that's just plain stupid imo
(I know there may be different viewpoints about that particular item...)

cheers, Tom

It's all situations where I don't have to concider memory limitations of 3,5 GB. I have to care less which apps are open, what's running in the background. Do I better stop this process because it's consuming to much memory which makes this and that slow...Accompanying the multi VM setup, I can run any memory-consuming app I want without conciderable performance issues, i.e. eclipse IDE with java -Xmx1024m

If you can get a grip of a copy, read latest issue of german computer magazin "c't" (I know here are several german guys here). If you aren't german, concider this: "Other benefits of running a 64-bit OS include enhanced security with hardware-backed DEP, Kernel Patch Protection and mandatory driver signing.". Maybe security is no issue for most of the crowd, but it's fro me. This is also among the advantags state in c't series of articles and clearly shows that there's more to 64 bit windows than just more RAM! But it's also clear that 64bit has some disadvantages which are obvious in my eyes. And I'm not willing to spend money in latest hardware to run technology of yesterday on it...and I don't want to have workarounds (dual boot, second hardware, whatever), because they consume time that I don't want to spend.

To sum it up: It's not that I have a astonishing 64bit experience every day, but on the other hand 64 bit windows offers more than most of the "you don't need it"-advocates in here know. What's really annoying is that there's quite a bunch of wise guys that want to explain me, why I should switch back to 32bit, completly ignoring the fact, that I have switch to 64bit for a reason. If I denote the reason, than even that is questioned and it seems to me that people fell they have "the right to demand justification": I have to justify why I'm - to put it in nice words - not amuzed about not being able to use my scope cards. No, I really, really don't want to discuss my reasons for switching to 64bit windows, because 64 bit windows with all it's pros and cons IS NOT my problem. My problem is missing scope drivers! (sorry, for getting emotional...)

Peter

[astroman]

ok, that makes your point clear to me... I'm also not into talking anybody into something
I frequently take an opposition point of view deliberately, just to remind people on things (probably) forgotten.
What makes sense to me, may not (and in most cases really doesn't) make sense to others.
I'm not claiming any absolute 'truth' but surely would like to make people think about their decisions, not just running after industry buzzwords.

Yes, I am concerned about safety indeed and I will have to be even more during a running project.
I know the stuff you mention is so called 'industry standard', an item frequently presented as a magic wand.
According to my experience it's just plain bullsh*t.
In fact it LOOKS standard, as somone made it widespread, but under the hood it's a highly customized environment, that tie you to certain companies and their products.
Forever. You won't have any choices left after crossing a certain point of investment or effort.

To be honest, I'm quite convinced it will never change and the upgrade spiral software sequel is a well established business model. Even Apple surrendered to it eventually
They are a plain contradiction (today) to their own guidelines which established their name - quite funny...

Personally I find the current paradigm rather limiting, and I'm seriously concerned about innovation capabilities in particular here in Germany... but that's not my cup of tea.
I regret that noone dares (or did they already loose the ability at all ?) to establish more 'leane' product lines.
Just to present my point of view, not necessarily an invitation to discuss principles of software engineering

cheers, Tom

[angialfa]

Hi there,
the question is still not fully answered. Will Scope 4 work on windows 7 or not?
Cause everything else will cost an upgrade and I spent already enough on Creamware and Scope soft- and hardware, so i would like to keep going for another while until the 64-bit Scope 5 will be released and decide then to upgrade or not.
I would really appreciate a clear answer.

Thank you guys.....

I almost forgot:
when i start scope4 in windows 7, I get an error saying "not able to find oscarin.dll" although the dll is present in the folder! Do you know the reason?

[motormind]

I can confirm that scope 4.5 works on win 7 32bit

How did you manage to do that? On my system Windows 7 recognizes there's a Scope card, but doesn't see it as a sound device. I can't play any wave out on it, and my sequencers complain ASIO isn't set up correctly. I tried to fiddle around with compatibility modes, but nothing helps. Any pointers would be nice.

EDIT: I just found out that you need to configure both Scope and the sequencers in the same compatibility mode to work together. Weird. It's also only the ASIO drivers that function then, but at least it's something, I guess.

[next to nothing]

Hi there

Sorry, its been a while since i did this, and i didn't test the wave drivers I'm afraid (i only use ASIO with scope as you might have guessed, system sounds is from onboard audio card...) I'm pretty sure i ran it with Ableton Live without any compatibility setting on the sequencer and i don't think i had any ASIO problems...

I'm on 5.1/64bit now so i can't errorcheck i'm afraid...

[minipax]

It seems that the card and Scope 4.0 will install correctly in Xp compatibility mode on windows 7, but win7 (and therefore any audio programs) will not be able to see the scope Playback/Record devices...

Any workarounds would be appreciated but I think if you want to go to Win7, then you'll need Scope 5.0

[astroman]

what would you need Win7/32 for anyway ? Tell me, please... TELL me

cheers, Tom

[garyb]

doesn't....

[emotive]

what would you need Win7/32 for anyway ? Tell me, please... TELL me

It has a better (and more reliable) audio subsystem.

[garyb]

that may be so, but i haven't noticed win7 machines sounding any better or doing any more work.

[emotive]

that may be so, but i haven't noticed win7 machines sounding any better or doing any more work.

True. I suppose if you are doing other things, ie. using the web or watching a video or something then it makes sense.

I did muck around with Vista from when it was longhorn (how many error reports sent) but it was quite painful in the context of a general use OS. Win7 on the other hand is vastly superior in that if something goes wrong a factory reset can be performed while retaining application settings.

Of course XP can work well and if it's just for DAW use then it makes sense but computer hardware being so cheap nowadays, graphics cards, motherboards, CPUs, PSU etc it makes sense to try and do it all in the box and I don't just mean DAW.

I will also have no problem paying for 5.1, if it means S|C will speak or write to me but I'm sure everything I need will be here as such an avid user base demonstrates.

Cheers

[garyb]

you sent an email to support and no one spoke or wrote to you? pm me.

[emotive]

you sent an email to support and no one spoke or wrote to you? pm me.

Hey, thanks but I haven't yet got the card and so don't have the serial number.

I believe it comes with Scope 4.0, is a Scope Project and has an ADAT i/o which is most pleasing as I believe it has the ASIO in hardware feature so thus can be used for low latency applications.

I'm pretty keen to get going with this thing so will have many questions to ask but I'll save them for other threads.

Thanks for your concern garyb