Nothing wrong with internal MIDI timing in scope.

[Neutron]

Its all in the computer, which is generally quite horrible.

today after quite a long wait i got this (which i ordered the same week as my solaris)



Just to test it out i plugged it in to the XITE-1 with a profit5 and miniscope, a (analog, not scope) modular patch, as well as futuretro 309 Rave-0-lution (which i still like for some reason, as long as i dont have to use its sequencer)
Oh! very nice rock solid timing all of a sudden. its like i used expert sleepers, but so much more fun, and not yet another vst to worry about. i had a whole little tune going without even turning cubase on.

in all the time since i got my first pulsar card, even trying things like sending time stamped MIDI to a steinberg MIDEX and then back to scope physical MIDI in, i have not heard such nice rock solid MIDI.

The cirklon may seem a bit expensive, but you would need about 64 "analog" sequencers to do the same thing and that would cost quite a lot more, or someone could make an OS for PCs that doesn't treat MIDI
like the red headed stepchild.

I might have to rethink my studio a bit now.

[xite knight]

Its all in the computer, which is generally quite horrible.

Totally agree. I use an Akai MPC-4000, which is the heart of my studio.

Hypothetically, if my Xite-1 had something like a built in touchscreen (+HDD etc.), I could make music happily without any pc.

And yes, I know this won't happen

[dawman]

Thats nice Neutron...
After using a QX-1 and MC500-MkII for 18 years, these PC and Macs just don't groove as tight.
And like you said the digital precision was always heard, but something about electronics without M$ or Apple OS just grabs you instantly.

Coolness.

I must say though after trying Blonar and Spubase ( Cakeland & Yamaberg ), Reaper can swing if set to 384ppq.
I am doing a 6/8 drum groove right now that locks in pretty damn good.

[astroman]

well, what did you expect from an OS that can be completely brought down by 1 wrong byte of a peripheral interface that operates on a 31kbit datarate ?
there isn't one single page of code from Redmont that hasn't been done better anywhere else on planet earth - you bet

cheers, Tom

[Neutron]

well, what did you expect from an OS that can be completely brought down by 1 wrong byte of a peripheral interface that operates on a 31kbit datarate ?
there isn't one single page of code from Redmont that hasn't been done better anywhere else on planet earth - you bet

cheers, Tom

except the macbook is equally bad.

[astroman]

sure it is - Apple didn't dig out a 30 year old concept from the basement just for nothing.
They also wanted their share of the twiddle-di-update cake that customers seem to find so tasty.
But I doubt it will spill out a core-dump on a wrong midi byte - and Apple has at least some very unique and outstanding software achievements.

But I wouldn't blame neither of the 2 major players - it's so easy to forget about philosophy in (multi) billion dollar deals.
The customer is fooled easily, after all it's him (us) waving the cash.
I use to build my opinion on real world results - and I can tell for sure that the most productive machines I ever experienced were 30 MHZ single-threaded boxes.
Watch your process monitor and you'll know why your 100 times 'faster' iCore-I-dunnowhat performs not that stellar as the figures suggest....
It has an ultra-high precision timer, but (probably) no time to request it's service. LOL...

cheers, Tom

[Tau]

Way to go, Neutron : )

[jksuperstar]

Glad to know the XITE is rock solid...I'm trying to make it the master clock of my studio, but just need a few more controls over the clock to make it work as needed.

[dawman]

I've been having fun with Scope VST CLock and Modular IV automations.
MIDI into Modular IV for automations and sync, expert sleepers CV/Gate/Env and LFO for audiorate mods. I am still experimenting using 4 voices but what a wierd patch.
MIDI from Reaper for automation, and audio for modulation................

[Neutron]

LOL you sure you did not post a screen shot of your warp core alinement and dilithium crystal matrix?

[dawman]

Reaper is a bad mofo for stable MIDI automation playback.
It's just a drumtrack with envelope automations, and ritardandos.
It's what 384ppq QX-1 Swing looks like in 6/8 @ 102, w/ inserted bars of 9/8.

[Neutron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1jpMy_5II8

had a bit of fun.

remember how the orbitone three-0-three loves to get stuck notes?

in this pattern i was sometimes sending 3 tracks to one, and 2 tracks to the other. never a miscommunication

It would be stuck for sure using a DAW, that's why you have MIDIswitches!

[siriusbliss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1jpMy_5II8

had a bit of fun.

remember how the orbitone three-0-three loves to get stuck notes?

in this pattern i was sometimes sending 3 tracks to one, and 2 tracks to the other. never a miscommunication

It would be stuck for sure using a DAW, that's why you have MIDIswitches!

Not THAT's cool!

Nice work.

Greg

[siriusbliss]

LOL you sure you did not post a screen shot of your warp core alinement and dilithium crystal matrix?

The 'engage' and 'scan' buttons are classic giveaways that Jim is gearing up for a takeover

Greg

[garyb]

by the time you realize something is wrong, you're already dead.

[dawman]

That's sick.
You should have been here to see the EDC show Neut.
If the synths wouldn't make you an Electron convert, the beautiful babes would.

Out here in this desert Babylonian sea of decadance, the sight of so many women barely clothed is what I call a Hoe-Asis.

Love the video and the Cirklon..

[Neutron]

now the motherlode.

The timing from the DAW, so every soft VST thing, is now completely synced to the cirklon, which is running the XITE-1 synths from its external MIDI (as well as x0xb0x and analog modular etc) i could tell right away how much it sounds better. even a simple 4/4 beat on the PC(maschine) synced with a couple of synths on the XITE-1 and some bleeps on my (unfinished) modular and the x0xb0x, it just sounds amazingly tight and fine. I just kind of sat there enjoying it turning notes on and off on the cirklon.

It is kind of hard to explain the feeling of super tight timing, It is like the VSTis an stuff in cubase are running on the same machine as the awesome sounds from XITE-1 and external gear. if you are a bit old like me you will remember it

I was going to compare it to having the old Atari cubase with the midi dongle, but it couldn't actually play anything by itself, so this is even better.

Small test: with recorded hihats(left speaker) vs the same hihat live(right speaker). sound stays dead center, level stays the same, no phasing sound at all.

there is my review

P.S
sonic core ought to make a MIDI clock VST and decoder on the scope side, things like sb404 are a million times better when they keep good time

[garyb]

this is really a great thread. thanks!

[siriusbliss]

this is really a great thread. thanks!

yeah, awesome!

Greg

[katano]

+1