why does one need another soundcard with a pulsar2? it allows 20 inputs and outputs plus midi!
THE XITE IS PCI-E! it IS the desktop card. the fact that it will work with a laptop is a bonus.
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are you serious, or are you just trolling me?
why does one need another soundcard with a pulsar2? it allows 20 inputs and outputs plus midi!
THE XITE IS PCI-E! it IS the desktop card. the fact that it will work with a laptop is a bonus.
why does one need another soundcard with a pulsar2? it allows 20 inputs and outputs plus midi!
THE XITE IS PCI-E! it IS the desktop card. the fact that it will work with a laptop is a bonus.
Re: Question re: transferring of software
@gary b
I do believe you have missed something?
Not all soniccore cards come with i/o modules or are you only used to one way of working.
Maybe I take back my advocacy comment?
I do believe you have missed something?
Not all soniccore cards come with i/o modules or are you only used to one way of working.
Maybe I take back my advocacy comment?
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all pulsar2s come with i/o modules. all of them.
i agree that i must have missed something, and i'm not being sarcastic. i'm sure i misunderstood you.
really, S/C hasn't made any pci cards. those that they sold were the last of the Creamware stock. they may have made a few after that, but not many if they did. the current S/C card is the XITE and it only comes with i/o.
even in xtc mode, there's no reason to have another sound card. if one really WANTED to use xtc mode and another card, one could remove the i/o plate or find a srb or xtc card and use it in the same fashion as a UAD card. there would be latency, sure, but who cares? the sequencer adjusts playback accordingly. of course, in xtc mode, one loses the zero latency environment, but for those who don't care, that's fine.
the question about what form will new cards be in, well, XITE is the new card(as i keep saying). only S/C knows for sure and even they won't know for sure until it's time to make it happen(although i'm sure that they are making plans), but it's probably safe to say that there would be a cutdown version of XITE in the future. it's also possible that they might do a few more runs of the old cards if the demand was high enough. at this point, to the best of my knowledge, demand for the XITE is taxing the assembly line resources, they have been having a hard time keeping up, although there should be good stock by may. perhaps then they might be able to consider making something else.
for more REAL information about this subject, you'd really have to write to S/C. i'm thinking you could give Holger a break though, he's pretty darned busy, so busy he spends all night answering emails when he should be asleep...
i agree that i must have missed something, and i'm not being sarcastic. i'm sure i misunderstood you.
really, S/C hasn't made any pci cards. those that they sold were the last of the Creamware stock. they may have made a few after that, but not many if they did. the current S/C card is the XITE and it only comes with i/o.
even in xtc mode, there's no reason to have another sound card. if one really WANTED to use xtc mode and another card, one could remove the i/o plate or find a srb or xtc card and use it in the same fashion as a UAD card. there would be latency, sure, but who cares? the sequencer adjusts playback accordingly. of course, in xtc mode, one loses the zero latency environment, but for those who don't care, that's fine.
the question about what form will new cards be in, well, XITE is the new card(as i keep saying). only S/C knows for sure and even they won't know for sure until it's time to make it happen(although i'm sure that they are making plans), but it's probably safe to say that there would be a cutdown version of XITE in the future. it's also possible that they might do a few more runs of the old cards if the demand was high enough. at this point, to the best of my knowledge, demand for the XITE is taxing the assembly line resources, they have been having a hard time keeping up, although there should be good stock by may. perhaps then they might be able to consider making something else.
for more REAL information about this subject, you'd really have to write to S/C. i'm thinking you could give Holger a break though, he's pretty darned busy, so busy he spends all night answering emails when he should be asleep...
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afaik xtc-cards are called 'pulsar2' or 'scope' regarding driver and dspload window...
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I apologize if I've offended anyone here I am simply trying to find my way through this maze of technology.
Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to ascertain, as much as anyone on the "outside" is what the next step will be.
Obviously X-ite would be as good (if not better) than anything what is going now, such as other Germanic solutions and so on, but from an end-users' perspective, one that has never known SonicCore system and wants to get on board, particularly since there is no formal distribution channel I must ask questions otherwise abstain.
Now as I understand there is a legacy here known as Creamware and to garyb I appreciate all the history you have offered thus far, it is invaluable in order to understand but you must know that you'd (me) would have to be a bit of a fool to disseminate all these words simply in an effort to "troll" as the saying goes.
The internet is old enough I believe that anyone who has been using it for more than 20 years should be tough enough to withstand even the most subversive viewpoint.
Anyway, about S/C, one can only summize that it would be in their (soniccores') interests to offer a slimmed down alternative, eg without I/O in order to get more people from the native come DSP generation onboard.
Personally if there was a pure DSP PCI-e card I'd buy it in a heartbeat since I KNOW sc provide top support and observe the latest standards.
Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to ascertain, as much as anyone on the "outside" is what the next step will be.
Obviously X-ite would be as good (if not better) than anything what is going now, such as other Germanic solutions and so on, but from an end-users' perspective, one that has never known SonicCore system and wants to get on board, particularly since there is no formal distribution channel I must ask questions otherwise abstain.
Now as I understand there is a legacy here known as Creamware and to garyb I appreciate all the history you have offered thus far, it is invaluable in order to understand but you must know that you'd (me) would have to be a bit of a fool to disseminate all these words simply in an effort to "troll" as the saying goes.
The internet is old enough I believe that anyone who has been using it for more than 20 years should be tough enough to withstand even the most subversive viewpoint.
Anyway, about S/C, one can only summize that it would be in their (soniccores') interests to offer a slimmed down alternative, eg without I/O in order to get more people from the native come DSP generation onboard.
Personally if there was a pure DSP PCI-e card I'd buy it in a heartbeat since I KNOW sc provide top support and observe the latest standards.
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well, the product you're looking for is an UAD Quad Omni, 4 DSPs with a massive software bundle for about 4 grands.
Routing has to be done in the sequencer, IO by another card, say RME... pushing you beyond 5...
XITE is better routing, a full synthesis engine, more than 3 times the DSP power, plus an IO section at least comparable to an FMR preamps for almost the same amount... imho a no-brainer
PCIe standard means that the 'card' can be physically placed several meters away from the slot, but that cable still remains 'a slot' on it's other end in technical terms.
cheers, Tom
Routing has to be done in the sequencer, IO by another card, say RME... pushing you beyond 5...
XITE is better routing, a full synthesis engine, more than 3 times the DSP power, plus an IO section at least comparable to an FMR preamps for almost the same amount... imho a no-brainer
PCIe standard means that the 'card' can be physically placed several meters away from the slot, but that cable still remains 'a slot' on it's other end in technical terms.
cheers, Tom
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Hi,astroman wrote:well, the product you're looking for is an UAD Quad Omni, 4 DSPs with a massive software bundle for about 4 grands.
cheers, Tom
Actually I have UAD/SSL & TC powercore. All are good at what they do as mix tools. I'd not give these up even if someone gave me an x-ite sytem since they are all unique and powerful in their own ways and I bought them for the specific purpose of mixing, except the latter, which has some synth potential, however why I am interested in Sonic Core platform is due to synth architecture mainly, and as the developers have signaled an intention to support this paradigm both universally and transparently I can only become more interested as each software version is released, but of course the "old" way is valuable I am simply weighing up all options before I buy into this system and most of all looking at ways to ease my way in and test the waters so to speak.
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Yes. You'd not have a PCI-e card if it was to have any IO otherwise why make parts based on that form factor, may as well just use an updated version of the current spec., ie PCI 2.1.stardust wrote:On this topic just a thought. It is very visible that a separation of the DSP and DAC/ADC from the computer case improves the S/N ratios in XITE and already the usage of a breakout ADC/DAC like A16 shows that with the PCI cards.
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Forumer, if you want to test the waters and see what it's like the best thing is to buy a used card. Then you can upgrade to xite later or just sell the card if you don't like it. Even though you are interested mainly in the synths you will find if very useful for other things too as time goes on, I'm sure. Even a 6dsp card offers so much to give you a good feel for the platform.
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The idea of S|C staying inside of the computer is a step backwards IMHO.
The future is mobility for several reasons. The main reason is they have a serious lead in this venture. Frank Hund the original Creamware owner has the cut down version of Scope already.
While everyone is concentrating on thier solutions for the same crowded market, Holger and Juergen had the foresight to take a chance and provide a truly powerful cross platform, mobile solution.
I believe UAD bailed out with thier laptop cards didn't they..?
I apologise if I am wrong, but that left the door wide open for S|C.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 81Eb4x-ZSg
I am sure once they are situated in the Pro audio market a little better, trimming down the design for consumer/hobbyists would require very little resources, and could be assembled rather quickly.
They could easily combine the A16U and a mini XITE-1 in the same chassis using the same pre amps and less DSP.
Going backwards at this point to provide an ITB solution to folks who would prefer buying used cards anyways seems self imploding to me.
The future is mobility for several reasons. The main reason is they have a serious lead in this venture. Frank Hund the original Creamware owner has the cut down version of Scope already.
While everyone is concentrating on thier solutions for the same crowded market, Holger and Juergen had the foresight to take a chance and provide a truly powerful cross platform, mobile solution.
I believe UAD bailed out with thier laptop cards didn't they..?
I apologise if I am wrong, but that left the door wide open for S|C.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 81Eb4x-ZSg
I am sure once they are situated in the Pro audio market a little better, trimming down the design for consumer/hobbyists would require very little resources, and could be assembled rather quickly.
They could easily combine the A16U and a mini XITE-1 in the same chassis using the same pre amps and less DSP.
Going backwards at this point to provide an ITB solution to folks who would prefer buying used cards anyways seems self imploding to me.
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no harm done, as far as i can tell...
it's easy to get caught up in specs and tech, but it's the functioning of the machine that counts to the engineer/user. the thing is, i have a 10 year old card in my computer(along with a couple of newer ones) and it still works with current hardware and software. it is still useful. even if i put it in an obsolete freebie computer and just use it as a mix/effects/synth module, it's still useful as good sound never dies, and none of us here need to do better work than Grammy or Oscar worthiness, which these cards can already do. this is REAL value. tools over toys....
it's easy to get caught up in specs and tech, but it's the functioning of the machine that counts to the engineer/user. the thing is, i have a 10 year old card in my computer(along with a couple of newer ones) and it still works with current hardware and software. it is still useful. even if i put it in an obsolete freebie computer and just use it as a mix/effects/synth module, it's still useful as good sound never dies, and none of us here need to do better work than Grammy or Oscar worthiness, which these cards can already do. this is REAL value. tools over toys....