its time for scope 64bit and multi-asio

[ARCADIOS]

christmas is over soniccore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JoPo]

Sorry but...

We did not enough cleanse ourselves, we must purify ourselves and so that such a miracle arises. To flog ourselves to please the gods and pay our due for our sin. To walk 100 km on knees would work but only if one doesn't drink or eat and it is necessary to whip his back. All this without looking nor even to think of the girl who watches you doing and who would like to console you.

Amen.

[t_tangent]

yup I really hope 64bit is out soon. Just got my expresscard for XITE-1 and now need 64bit drivers.

[siriusbliss]

Soon my son/daughter, soon...

Yup, I feel it's close.

Express card for Xite arrives Tuesday. W7/64-bit laptop ordered. It's time.

Greg

[t_tangent]

That sounds cool, and great to see that there are a few of us going Win7 64bit on a laptop.

As of now I have had to install a temp partition with Win 7 x86 in order to try it out. Had a quick go once it was set up and it does feel very smooth. Took it down to the lowest ULLI settings with no issues as yet, but didnt really push the load. I'll try some more tomorrow and will report back at some point. Cheers

t_t

[lagoausente]

why such xcitement with 64bits? What was the fun of vista? what´s the fun of W7?
Loow backward and listen to musicians playing real instruments virtuously and recording on old tapes with a disastrous signal/noise ratio, while that recordings still sounds better then most today ones...,
I´m now thinking maybe VDAT could unchain our minds from the graphical-timing-tracking-visual perspective when looking at the pc screen instead of looking inside music.

[ARCADIOS]

basicaly... RAM.
scope has no problem.
sequencers and software have the ram limit of 2gb. usually less.........
the 3gb switch is not a good idea since it leaves less ram(1gb) for the system.

[lagoausente]

basicaly... RAM.
scope has no problem.
sequencers and software have the ram limit of 2gb. usually less.........
the 3gb switch is not a good idea since it leaves less ram(1gb) for the system.

And why so much rum? Even good native samplers only loads into ram the first seconds of each sample, and streaming remaining from hdd when required..
Just if STS sampler would workd this way, the 700mb/1Gb limit it has should be not a problem.

[chriskorff]

The point isn't that 64-bit OS's are necessary for making music, or even for using SFP...

The fact that several people are wanting 64-bit compatible drivers and software should be enough incentive in itself! Likewise the XTC integration that Gary B keeps saying is unnecessary.

Market forces dude! Xite is a consumer product (in the literal sense, not in the 'consumer versus professional' sense), and as such should be made to be suitable for its potential customers' wants, as much as for its customers' needs.

Cheers!

Chris

[koalaboy]

basicaly... RAM.
scope has no problem.
sequencers and software have the ram limit of 2gb. usually less.........
the 3gb switch is not a good idea since it leaves less ram(1gb) for the system.

And why so much rum? Even good native samplers only loads into ram the first seconds of each sample, and streaming remaining from hdd when required..
Just if STS sampler would workd this way, the 700mb/1Gb limit it has should be not a problem.

Mmm... Rum

Anyway, Disk streaming is a workaround - one that exists due to RAM limitations. It's far more efficient to use RAM directly, and this is now possible for much larger samples due to cheap memory and 64bit support.

Also, this all assumes people only use their computer for Scope. There are many other uses for a computer that need more RAM.

[astroman]

No, there is none - not for you, not for me.
it's for the marketeers and idiotic developement systems à la dotNet and followup BS
I'll save you the details (as I've posted them hundreds of times)...
But I have experienced systems performing successfully under industrial deadline pressure, with about 10% of the calculation power that you find in an iPhone today.
not that I'd want to change anything, but it remain a matter of fact.
you may need a serious amount of effort to dig those 'facts', tho... as publishers like to obscure them as much as possible

cheers, Tom

ps: the most negative aspect of all this overbloated rubbish is that developers like SC don't even get a chance to work on the conceptual and ergonomic improvements of their systems.
I'm sure they could tell you about dozens of great features that they'd like to implement.
Instead they're stuck somewhere between BIOS, EFI and OS latest and greatest half-baked must-haves...

if you don't believe it, just switch to some kind of process explorer and ask yourself what all those tasks might have to do with your actual job at the moment...
there was a time when you could tailor OS stuff almost perfectly to your preferences and needs
why don't they even allow you today ?
instead they file lawsuits for webbrowser applications - it's totally sick imo

[lagoausente]

Agree with Astroman but futher more;

Market forces dude! Xite is a consumer product (in the literal sense, not in the 'consumer versus professional' sense), and as such should be made to be suitable for its potential customers' wants, as much as for its customers' needs.

I think that potential Xite-1 buyers that are worrying about "Vista/W7/Mac/ 1billion gigs of RAM" claiming to the sky that this are "essential" are the type of customers that end making noise and making counter marketing against the product, the company the support company etc etc etc, are the type of guys that always find problems, just because they don´t know "how to".
I think SC will have to find the optimal balance between offer a good product and folowing the f*cking Bill G, and the f*cking guys that live drunk for what is not "essential" for them, but it´s for Bill G and the others account.

[koalaboy]

Just because you have no personal use for a 64bit system, doesn't mean there isn't one.
Not everyone has their PC dedicated to the needs of Scope and nothing else.

[astroman]

the answer is NO
it will remain NO, unless you tell me that you're about to run a service like Google or do Hollywood render jobs
but then you wouldn't run that sh*t on you personal workstation, wouldn't you ?

@ lago: it's not that easy... as you may have noticed that Bill G and Steven J have become quite good fellows over the years
Imho the XITE's price tag keeps away most the wannabes anyway, but there is a strong demand to sell
Otherwise it would be all in vain, regardless how 'great' the product is.
They will have to aquire new customers and those will not judge from knowledge about it's predecessors.
So they'll probably have to lick same a**es

cheers, Tom

[lagoausente]

the answer is NO
it will remain NO, unless you tell me that you're about to run a service like Google or do Hollywood render jobs
but then you wouldn't run that sh*t on you personal workstation, wouldn't you ?

@ lago: it's not that easy... as you may have noticed that Bill G and Steven J have become quite good fellows over the years
Imho the XITE's price tag keeps away most the wannabes anyway, but there is a strong demand to sell
Otherwise it would be all in vain, regardless how 'great' the product is.
They will have to aquire new customers and those will not judge from knowledge about it's predecessors.
So they'll probably have to lick same a**es

cheers, Tom

Of course they have to sell, but I still think that they´ll have more customers from scope and ex-scope users eve they´ll have to save money for serveral months to can get it, then the type of customers running a Mac (because if you run Mac you are "Pro" and if you run a PC your a a hobbiest). Yes, maybe those guys have money to spend (or maybe the have more debts than money really), who knows..., economy is going bad, and will be worse (be sure), and I think the prefered will be running Waves Mercury in a few linked last-core pcs.
Who nows, but I see Xite-1 maybe more attractive even for home musicians even it´s much money than for "Pro" and semi-pro studios, what could be closing doors just now.

[protoculture]

the answer is NO
it will remain NO, unless you tell me that you're about to run a service like Google or do Hollywood render jobs
but then you wouldn't run that sh*t on you personal workstation, wouldn't you ?

@ lago: it's not that easy... as you may have noticed that Bill G and Steven J have become quite good fellows over the years
Imho the XITE's price tag keeps away most the wannabes anyway, but there is a strong demand to sell
Otherwise it would be all in vain, regardless how 'great' the product is.
They will have to aquire new customers and those will not judge from knowledge about it's predecessors.
So they'll probably have to lick same a**es

cheers, Tom

Tom, maybe you can explain to me then why I get 2 or 3 instances of Spectrasonics Omnisphere running on my PC with 3 Gigs of RAM before bombing because of lack of memory, whereas on my mac I with 8 Gigs I get tons more instances without any hassles at all? How is it then that 64 bit, which would allow me to utilize more RAM, isn't gonna help me?

I'm not having a go at you mate, I'd honestly like to know cause I can't understand the logic in your statements... Im sorry, but it sounds like you're making a huge generalisation based on the way you work and not taking into consideration the needs of what others might be doing.

Like I said, I'd genuinly like to here your thoughts on this...

[astroman]

well, to be as radical as you expected...
you don't have to run such stuff for good results - but feel free to do so, if it pleases you
everything is overbloated and suppliers appreciate the fact as it's a kind of protection, too.
I rarely heard any current stuff that I found convincing, but that's a matter of taste.
Even if there's tons to play with, those 'all you can eat buffets' are a creativity brake after all.

Imo one looses focus, it's like stacking Minimoogs (as recently mentioned)
the more you add, the more average the result becomes - bigger isn't always better...

It's nonsense to run a wordprocessor on a 2Gig CPU just to be able to connect to the internet...
... and to loose focus of work within 10 minutes after arriving in the office, checking ebay, UTube and some forums
Just look at the source text of a few webpages, arbitrarily choosen in no particular order - overbloated.

Spectrasonics and multi GB libs are just one other aspect, call it a sign of the time or whatever
Noone needs it, but everyone seems to be after it.

Fine - each to his own, I'm far from judging it - it's just my observation.
My ears tell me that good productions get rare by the year, while the pile of rubbish grows.
The XX was one of a few things to impress me.

I really don't have a problem with progress, in fact I changed my profession years ago to be part of what was called 'cutting edge' technology.
Imho most of it is f*cking blunt meanwhile, it's (you guessed it...) overbloated.
The hardware guys are pretty smart in miniaturizing and clocking, but that's accompagnied by incredibly lame applications.
The recent M$ Office package isn't amusing at all...

Anyway, it's no big deal - I'm old fashioned and you're a welcome customer.
I'm having much more problems to avoid the rubbish than you have to get your 64bit thingy going, seriously

cheers, Tom

[lagoausente]

the answer is NO
it will remain NO, unless you tell me that you're about to run a service like Google or do Hollywood render jobs
but then you wouldn't run that sh*t on you personal workstation, wouldn't you ?

@ lago: it's not that easy... as you may have noticed that Bill G and Steven J have become quite good fellows over the years
Imho the XITE's price tag keeps away most the wannabes anyway, but there is a strong demand to sell
Otherwise it would be all in vain, regardless how 'great' the product is.
They will have to aquire new customers and those will not judge from knowledge about it's predecessors.
So they'll probably have to lick same a**es

cheers, Tom

Tom, maybe you can explain to me then why I get 2 or 3 instances of Spectrasonics Omnisphere running on my PC with 3 Gigs of RAM before bombing because of lack of memory, whereas on my mac I with 8 Gigs I get tons more instances without any hassles at all? How is it then that 64 bit, which would allow me to utilize more RAM, isn't gonna help me?

I'm not having a go at you mate, I'd honestly like to know cause I can't understand the logic in your statements... Im sorry, but it sounds like you're making a huge generalisation based on the way you work and not taking into consideration the needs of what others might be doing.

Like I said, I'd genuinly like to here your thoughts on this...

There are tons of excellent synths you can run on Scope, on the old cards or on the new Xite-1. One user on this forum Xite4live uses Xite-1 in his gigs. Just to can have all that potential in hardware you could need lot´s of rack units and some keyboards..
But if you still need Spectrasonics Omnisphere because you consider better, so there is no reason to need Scope. In live you have to decide, whatever you select will be no perfect, if you slect Onmisphere you´ll have no the latency you have with Scope, and will have no the power of combining all that with excellent realtime effects and reverbs and mixers. But you still can use a dual boot on a pc, or simply combine your Mac, plug a soundcard with midi and Spdif and route it´s audio output (from Onmisphere or what you like), and record in to Scope, or viceversa.
There are a lot of guys who have few desktop pcs linked, with Steinberg system link, or even as Fx racks using Fx teleport through ethernet, so just open a plugin in you main pc and is open automatically in the remote pc and the audio is routed and the track latency compensation applied to get the track in the right position. Well, those guys often claims that is a huge amount of posibilities, something awesome, so why you can´t do the same?
In general terms, Scope does what no other device or computer does all over the world, and it´s worth enough even with 32 bits, even with XP.
If you buy Solaris real hardware, do you worry about it´s internal OS? Or just you need it´s sounds?
Same for Scope/Xite. Do you like it´s features? So just buy a Xite-1 and a little netbook with expresscard and you have the equivalente of a lot of hardware units just in a few pounds. Don´t you like XP? Well, just use your Mac as main computer, and simply use the xite 16 channel adat to take out the sound to your Mac.
Of course if Scope runs Mac and win7 with 64 bits, well, is better, but is like if you ask Solaris keyboard that allow you to chat on the msn while you play, simply absurd.

[dtb]

I 'd like to have a 64bit-scope-driver asap just because of some toys I currently use (such as omnisphere, bfd2, trillian, rmx, kontakt, amplitube ...) and I like 'em - so I simply need to adress more ram. that's my request.
Due to system limitations I've used vst system link, fxteleport in the past... but imo it makes things more complicated and isn't an alternative for me anymore.
if someone doesn't "need" omnisphere & co - that's OK for me. most of the time I use Scope only as my IN/OUT midi/audio-interface (and - what a shame - XTC mode). I rarely use the scope synths ... but that's me ... each to his own ...
just my 2c
tom

[garyb]

i'd like y'all to have 64bit, too.

even better, S/C would like it. they're doing it. it will take as long as it takes, but it won't be forever....