Nails in the Coffin

[siriusbliss]

Probably, you'll find your own figures in the USA's rich history!
More than anything, you need topic-dedicated executives! I'd be a Us citizen, I'd stick call for an votation. Then I'll know education shall follow (your children's knowledge, their social security, with restrictions....)

The other problem here is that the voting system is also controlled and manipulated, and the media is used to brainwash us into thinking there is a left and a right. So we can't just simply vote our way into a better path and better future trajectory.

It's all classic Hegelian Dialectic.

They keep our heads spinning with rhetoric and wordsmithing while never showing real data.

G

[iSiStOy]

... And it's becoming the same here (electronic votation, Sarkozy's hand on national medias and votation bureaux, which is easier than in your country, m8).
But it is less transparent in here!

[iSiStOy]

The thing is that french people are sicked as communists.
Well, i'd stick with it anyway, whatever the OMC (organisation mondiale du commerce) want us to go in with full liberalisation.
I'd cut heads for this not to happen!
Work is meant to adapt to people and not the contrary! We might not be slave from it again, BUT for a race survival call.

[braincell]

Dubai just built the world's tallest building within 5 years and we haven't even started rebuilding the World Trade Center. Ground zero is an empty lot. It's over. The U.S. has lost the ability to do anything and it's all because of ignorance. Millions of people think Obama is a Muslim with terrorist connections who wasn't born in the United States. That is how idiotic half the people here are.

[siriusbliss]

sorry England...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8447023.stm

G

[iSiStOy]

sorry England...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8447023.stm

G

. Snow all around not only here then

[braincell]

I love the way people always jump to conclusions about things they know nothing about yet at the same time ignore science.

[iSiStOy]

Anyway, is there any mountain to ski/surf assault in gb?

[Mr Arkadin]

Where's global warming when you need it? It's bloody freezing here. That picture is amazing.

[dawman]

Well let's see...........
The Polar Ice Caps are melting, since they are travelling from the Arctic through the North Sea to Great Britain, this is Climate Change.
Now when they start melting as Spring arrives, that will be Global warming.

[iSiStOy]

Where's global warming when you need it? It's bloody freezing here. That picture is amazing.

Are you planning on skying cl0se to yours, Mr Arkadin?

[iSiStOy]

Well, let's not forget about El-Nino, which seems to have gained some strengh back compared to when it looked liked it was disrupted

[siriusbliss]

The El Nino cycle has hit California again after 7 years. Last big one was back in '94.

74deg. here at the beach (slightly warmer than normal), and more moist/rainy, which is actually kinda nice.

Greg

[iSiStOy]

These are some of the most important and unknown things on the Planet. How long have we been considering Ocean's main currents are impacting the so-called climate changes?
Of course, it already disrupted in the past and of course, it already provoked some changes in the global climate... But we still don't know exactly why, how and when it did break...

[garyb]

how closed minded can people really be? why refuse to look at the obvious in your face?

DURING THE MIDDLE AGES, EUROPE WAS SO WARM THAT HOUSES WERE BUILT WITH OUTSIDE HEARTHS AND GRAPES GREW IN ENGLAND. A FEW HUNDRED YEARS LATER, "GREENLAND" FROZE, THE THAMES IN LONDON FROZE AND EUROPE WENT THROUGH WHAT IS KNOWN AS "THE MINI ICE AGE", WHICH LASTED A FEW HUNDRED YEARS, AND THE "VIKINGS" HAD TO MOVE TO SURVIVE.

WHEN, WHEN HAS THERE EVER NOT BEEN RADICAL CLIMATE CHANGE? WHEN IN EARTH'S HISTORY HAS THERE EVER BEEN "STABLE CLIMATE"?

[dawman]

WHEN, WHEN HAS THERE EVER NOT BEEN RADICAL CLIMATE CHANGE? WHEN IN EARTH'S HISTORY HAS THERE EVER BEEN "STABLE CLIMATE"?

When Al Gore couldn't even win a local election or find a job anywhere else.....

[darkrezin]

Not sure why I'm getting involved in this discussion but Gary is right on the money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_ice_age

I'm not one of those people advocating pointless waste of energy resources. There definitely needs to be a reduction in consumption. The oil is running out fast.

The world is FULL of disgusting pollution of all kinds... toxic chems from factories and mines, raw sewage into rivers and oceans. There is deforestation, over-fishing, over-farming which will turn the planet into a desert if it continues. Wildlife habitat loss, reduction in biodiversity and species gene pools.

Cutting CO2 emissions by 5% or whatever simply won't do any good. If there really is a problem, then a small reduction after 1 or 2 hundred years of heavy industrial society will achieve jack shit.

I haven't examined the issue enough to know what's really behind this climate change movement, but I'm willing to bet my house on the fact that it's to take advantage of peoples' fear/paranoia to reap $$$ and power. Like the article in the first post suggests, this stuff is nothing but politics - it has nothing to do with science or reality.

Useful things to do IMHO:

1. conduct serious research into alternative energy. The fossil fuels corporations forbid this at the moment, but if nothing is done, society really is doomed. Because when there's no energy left, and no new infrastructure for alternative sources is in place, everything is *fucked*, pure and simple. The vast majority of humanity has lost touch with nature. It's simply incapable of fending for itself. The culture of reliance on the state and the comfort zone this induces is a very very serious problem and will end in tears and blood.

2. teach people that consumption is the real destroyer, of the planet and the soul. The relentless industrial scale food production is killing the land. Obesity is spiralling. Selfishness and exploitation is the prevailing way of life. Teach people that they should consume less to preserve the planet and each other.

Will any of these things happen? I somehow think not...

[iSiStOy]

Add to that, that most of the humanity is unable to understand exponential functions and you have an idea of what the "happy" end can be

[braincell]

We can consume less but we still need to eat so this won't solve the problem if the population continues to grow. In nature, there is a balance between predators and prey. We don't have any natural predators.

[siriusbliss]

The ol' 'peak oil' story is another sham, since many countries are sitting on reserves, and oil companies manipulate how much oil is extracted out of the ground in order to keep oil prices high. If they pumped all the oil out of Southern Gulf of Mexico (Venezuela, Argentina, etc.), or out of the Arctic regions, then oil prices would go down.

G