DXL is banned

Post by **Neil B** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:16 am

I may not be someone who has made a lot of posts to this site but I have helped and shared wherever and whenever I can. I'm a learner as much as a doer. However, having looked at other forums for cubase, dance music etc, I have to say that this is the best. Everyone tries theeir hardest to be as helful as possible, as friendly as possible and there is a feeling of "family".
Many other forums are full of criticism as opposed to anything constructive, full of foul language and meaningless postings. It is therefore a credit to John as a moderator as to how this forum has developed and the sentiments of the members have been steered and developed. I therefore support his decision fully although DXL has never "harmed" or offended me.
My suggestions is that what is done is done and the family should put it behind them and get on with helping each other to improve our musical skills and technical knowledge.
Perhaps we all ought to focus on a specific theme for a while like "do you pan you mix in pulsar or cubase, pre or post mixing to audio" or some other such topic that we could all gain from.
Most of all, let's not degenerate into the state other forums have, but at the same time feel that we can loosen up and have a bit of fun and friendship such as happens from time to time (threads on becoming a guru, being in love with your Pulsar etc).
Keep up the good work John.

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:21 am

Well, it seems that I don't understand what the word "community" means.

I'm a Creamware's card user, I thought it was the only condition to be in this community.

If the "community" is made of Creamware's fans, sure I'm not in. I'm just an user searching for the best my money can buy. Whether it's Creamware's stuffs or other.

How can somebody imagine that a worldwide community will contain only "positives" members? What a curious vision...It remembers me a book by Aldous Huxsley...

Having just one "DXL" in a worlwide forum seems pure normality to me. And I don't feel "negative" when I'm reading his posts. Sometimes they mades me laugh. I don't take all those commentaries so serious. Maybe if he's not there I'll find PlanetZ forum a little more boring...Sure, PlanetZ is a first quality information source anyway.

But know, Creamware's kingdom misses his buffoon (I apologize if it offends you, DXL).

Why all this has to be so serious? Some kind of marketing stories behind this? We must try to be open with others

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:28 am

yeahh, I'd suppose taking it not quite so seriously would be cool. I mean, dxl or no dxl, ban or not banned.. big difference. I doubt making this a political issue is going to be of any good. Debates can blow up into galactic scales for that matter.
And I think we all know John's main intent isn't to dictate. (dxl still has options, and this thread is to discuss this discision)

Anyway, this is starting to smell wierd so let's just go on.

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valis · Post by **valis** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:42 am

touchy subject. Free speech? A basic set of rules for this social space? Since there is nothing here BUT speech (at least as it relates to text posted in the forum's db) it's really the only thing you can regulate. While I think a moderation system closer to Slash is more effective at filtering noise like this out of online conversations, I'd have to say that Dxl has been a constant source of mostly unintelligable posts since he arrived here. Irc has Ircops for a reason after all, and it's not just to stop kiddies from DOSing the state of Arizona.

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:55 am

Grok, It took me almost one full year to get this soundcard to do what I wanted it to do and if you search the forum for my posts you'll find that I didn't go ballistic every chance I got!

Patience is of the essence with everything in life.

Ronald, I'm sure you read about a lot of members sending all kinds of email about dxl to John and Subhuman and that they were in fact voting him out.(took me a while to figure out what "fote" meant)

I sincerely believe John (and Subhuman)proved his patience with dxl and that there is a limit.
(maybe he should have kissed a little more butty?

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at0m · Post by **at0m** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:12 am

Hi,

I completely agree with you, John. It's very sad that it had to come this far, but your action was appropriate.

Can anyone send me 10 relevant posts of Dxl? He's posted a lot, he was a TOPGeek. But I do not remember any post that contains other than shouts, slogans, hooliganism and subversity.

Look at z as John's place to discuss CW products. I someone makes a mess of my place, I'd kick his butt straight away. I am not intolerant, instead I'm asking for reasonable explanations and topics.

If z were a pub [public place, too;] and I were having a discussion with some people, I would sure not mind other people joining the debate. Imagine someone comes spoiling the debate over and over again with senseless arguements, is talking totally off topic, tilting over our beers...!!? If some of my friends found him funny, ok, he'd be lucky and I might leave him. But if all my friends start complaining about him all week, and next saturday he'd be there again, and again, and again...!?

I never asked John nor Sub to ban Dxl. I would have loved to see Dxl post something serious about something. Taking a topic to what it comes down, and talk about it, on let's say one topic per problem instead of going posting the same problems all over the forum. To me he had clearly prooved his bad will. That's where my tolerance stops.

I sure want to continue this debate, but please try to be kind one to another, us, people of good will.

Let's build on something constructive and try to find solutions instead of problems.

The people who have helped to build this dsp platform, I'm very gratefull. There are some geniusses at work here. Whoever's around for a while or has read personal stuff, will confirm that. I have enourmous respect for them, and I'm sure all of us could contribute. Each his own style, but share what you've learned.

Share presets, send bèta reports to developers, upload projects or great songs. That way of work motivates others and brings evolution to the platform. How can a developer create devices when he has to do all presets, testing and programming himself? Let him do the programming, let us help them. We will all benefit. Everyone.

Geez that was a long post, I hope you got my idea

I wish you happy times on planetz and your Creamware system. If you have any problems, do not hesitate to ask and we'll be glad to help. But don't pls don't reply with tech to this topic

at0mic.

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Valium · Post by **Valium** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:35 am

I stand by John on this one,

DXL has had many chances to improve his behaviour, he got mails from John and probably others asking him to think about what he was doing. He also had many comments from others and nothing helped like it should (his behaviour might have improved but it still wasn't like it should be).

This is the best forum IMHO that I'm a member of and I am a member of a lot of them. I've been a member quite some time, just started posting when I finally got my creamware gear up and running like it should. I've seen John and others do efforts to change the attitude of DXL but despite that he still kept annoying everybody. So I guess he saw this one coming, and if he didn't well too bad for him I guess.

Greetz all

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:35 am

"But know, Creamware's kingdom misses his buffoon (I apologize if it offends you, DXL). "

Don't worryyyy, he'll be back

"Why all this has to be so serious? Some kind of marketing stories behind this? We must try to be open with others "

Clever! One thing I've learned is when you don't understand some behaviour, always look at it from an economic point of view. And there are people in here professionally involved with creamware so....

I cannot conceive any forum without healthy fights and DXL sure pointed out weaknesses about the product.

"I made my choice and I don't want anybody making me feel I made a bad choice"

On the contrary, if someone demonstrates that there is a product out there that beats creamware hands down (which isn't the case

) then I'll simply ditch (sell it fast) my luna.

ronaldmeij · Post by **ronaldmeij** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:38 am

Dear paul

If thats the case and more people were on the side of John , Than i take back the words i just typed.

So it seems it was democratic then

junklight · Post by **junklight** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:50 am

This wasn't about DXL saying that there are problems with Creamware products - there are lots of people here who have issues and voice them. No one is trying to censor those views. DXL himself made out that that is why we had a problem - it wasn't.

It was that fact that he was abusive, made out that we where all liars and generally spread disinformation - in particular to new commers who have no reason not to assume that he is telling the truth (in particular - saying in the post that caused him to get banned that you cannot get honest answers here).

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Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:55 am

well you know, he's a kid. Maybe a bit troubled but we were teaching him how to behave and that is as important as having our machines work (or maybe a bit more

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wayne · Post by **wayne** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:01 am

I'm with you, John.

Uber Knob Meister · Post by **Uber Knob Meister** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:08 am

Agree with John the boss. This is his house, he makes the rules bys the drinks and pays $$$$$$ for the bandwidth. We R all his guests for free. Unhappy people should make own forum, maybe dxl do that himself! I like to post on Planet dxl. I can see subjects.... MY GEAR SUX AND SO DOES YOURS and I BY WRONG STUFF AGAIN and ANOTHER 100 REASONS WHY I AM SO UNHAPPY

he he he bad me, but best to laugh!!!!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:09 am

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:15 am

Meister!
You forgot the "Why I can't buy a car" thread!

snoopy4ever · Post by **snoopy4ever** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:32 am

On 2002-04-25 07:08, Uber Knob Meister wrote:
Agree with John the boss. This is his house, he makes the rules bys the drinks and pays $$$$$$ for the bandwidth. We R all his guests for free. Unhappy people should make own forum, maybe dxl do that himself! I like to post on Planet dxl. I can see subjects.... MY GEAR SUX AND SO DOES YOURS and I BY WRONG STUFF AGAIN and ANOTHER 100 REASONS WHY I AM SO UNHAPPY

he he he bad me, but best to laugh!!!!

Yes Meister.., John is the boss here and he has made his "home" (planetZ) our "home", sometimes we can disagree with CreamWare, but it does not mean to be negative or offensive to other people. Sorry for DXL, cause he could be more constructive about his doubts, but he did not change his way.

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Neutron · Post by **Neutron** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 7:01 am

Well done John. the messages were little more than spam. the same thing over and over again.

about democracy: where is one? where is there a place with total freedom of speech. nowhere. Especially not on a privately owned web site!

Its a creamware forum not a new political experiment!

By the way Uber Knob Meister..

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sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 7:03 am

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Post by **hubird** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 7:20 am

Thank God, and thank John!!!!!!!!!!!!
5 month's I have dealt with his stupid, insulting messages, first on CW forum where he's also kicked off, after that on planetz.
You get my full support John, for you as admin the limit was reached when he started to insult your guests (us).
I think that's quite a reason for an admin!

Let There Be Music!

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Thu Apr 25, 2002 7:49 am

John Cooper works for ... KORG.

There goes your conspiracy theories, guys.