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Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 5:43 am

To people fighting DXL (and DXL)

You want him out?
Well, have a look at youselves.
Practise what you preach.
I believe, if you have nothing possitive to say - DON'T - this is where a lot of you fails.
All of the following quotes are taken from the CW vs Korg thread.
Most of them are taken from otherwice very decent and well written posts.
You can always skip the quotes, and jump to the conclusion (would be sad if you did though)
Read, learn and grow.

Caleb:
I mean it's really ridiculous...
I find that offensive

Caleb
... I would have to say - what an idiot!
More nice stuff

King of Snake
Entire 2002-04-02 04:02 post
Very sarcastic - not very friendly

hubird
my great fear is that the guy will disturb our pleasure when we discuss the new SFP version, by posting on every forum his endless and useless chaos.
That was obviously addressed at DXL. Talking to people in third person is offending.

caleb
that was quite possibly the most unintelligent counter argument I have ever seen in my life.
and
... idiotically professing ...

caleb
2002-04-03 00:57
A very good post, but you just had to add the bad grapes to the wine in the end:
But who would be stupid enough to think a tool was going to make it all easy.

caleb
WHERE'S THE MICROPHONE! ... session guitarist ...
Gaining easy "points" on someones behalf is not a constructive way to try to communicate with that someone.

King of Snake
You are getting more rediculous every time you post!
and
... just as well throw ourselves off a cliff for sheer stupidity.
I think it would have been nice, if you posted nothing instead of this - just leaving the discussion. It does not look as if, there is anymore good to bring you in it anyway.

King of Snake
... post a CW question on any music forum and 99% chance they will link you to PlanetZ.
That is HIGHLY exaturated.

hubird
I REFUSE to get in direct communication with him.
and
Everybody here knows that THE GUY NEEDS HELP.
and
because we are to decent and democratic
Yeah right - you are all saints.
WHO CANNOT BE ADRESSED IN A LOGICAL AND LANGUAGE BASED MANNER
From my point view this talked of logic is often mixed with much tension.

StratoFede
... must deactivate that filter ...
you know that this thing will never be implemented. I see no reason for this post other that triggering DXL more.

ernest@303.nu
I'd suggest making the filter the other way around, ...
Same as above

Algorhythm
If you did not have your filter on, you would have see the encrypted message. but seriously, I just added a couple more . . . .
Same as above

Uber Knob Master
I say make this boy a Neophyte Poster again as he has learned nothing.
You have not written many posts at PlanetZ, and I can see, that at least 14% of them have offensive intensions.

at0mic
...
More ...s. You can not provoke somebody to lay down arms.

StratoFede
Oh, damn'it, I leaved the filter off...
Making fun of someone agian?

CONCLUSION

to everyone
I am not in any way calling DXL a saint.

to DXL
People find you offensive.
It is not for no reason, you get to put up with all this.
People actually truly like their cards.
I do not think, you have acomplised much with your attitude.
I believe, if you continue this way, you will be ignored by everyone (including me).
I see you write some fine things too.
I see you can be open to sense and change your mind, if that seems more reasonable to you.
I believe you are not gaining much here as it is now.
I also believe, that if you stay low profile for some time, and come back later, and if you change to a more possitive attitude, you will be respected (might take some time though).

to everyone
It takes atleast 2 to make a fight - this was realy a group fight - a lot of you where fighting too - being offensive as shown in the quotes, being no better than the person you where fighting.
I take no side in this war. To much sad things has been done from both sides.
I would like to show my respect to those, who did not enter the fight.

Please, there is only one way to keep this forum one of the best forums on the internet:
If you have nothing possitive to add, stay out of it - ignore if needed - it is not, like someone is physically threadening you health with a baseball bat.
DO NOT BECOME THE SECOND PART OF A FIGHT.
If angry (it is ok to be angry) look into yourself before hitting "send" - is this realy, what you want to send. Do you realy want the consequences?

Peace and thank you for reading

Immanuel

caleb · Post by **caleb** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 6:20 am

Nice of you to take several half phrases completely out of context and even out of the sentences they belonged in to promote your diatribe, but as you can see in another post, I have already apologised for the impact my amusement with DXL has had on other people in this forum.

I don't think DXL should be thrown out by the way and have never suggested so. He has as much right to be here posting his opinions as I have. I don't really mind him attacking me - he's a name on a computer screen for pity sake. And I'm sure he doesn't really mind the returned compliment from me. He certainly has never initiated any private discussions with me to ask me to stop and there certainly is the mechanism in this forum to do that.

The reason I stopped is that it seemed to be having a bad effect on everyone else. As far as I am concerned, DXL is free to post whatever he likes without a response from me.

In the meantime, please feel free to get off your soapbox oh 'he who has not sinned'. It doesn't actually help to start off a whole new thread like this as a pronouncement from heaven just so you can 'tut tut' when people respond to it in lowly discourse. At least other people were actually responding in threads to statements already present rather than instigating a whole new round.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 6:45 am

The ½fraces are only to point out, that even though someone makes a very reasonable post, sometimes very little destroys the effort.

I saw your appology. I found that fine - maybe I should have mentioned it.

Thanks for your soap box comment

I guess, that is, how I often look to others. Let me brake it: I have been with a married woman. My coverdfullness might be the reason for another persons death about 8years ago. I have lied and broken promisses made to people, who are me near. But I try, to do better (and I for shure do better now). Am I now alowed to preach - now that I have commited, I am not a saint?

Anyway, what I realy wanted with that thread was a previously unspoiled place (lots of bad wibes in some of the other threads). I just want PlanetZ back as a creative, helpfull place that I can go to with good expectasions, and leave with peace in mind. If you find me overly sensitive, let that be my problem - or tell me (maybe you teach me something).

Immanuel

Uber Knob Meister · Post by **Uber Knob Meister** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 6:52 am

Are you the big preist come to tell everyone ? You tell me I 14% bad ?

Sure I do not post too many but I always come to read and now I must say something: this horrible rich boy destroy everything of you Z friends and laughing at every chaos.

You let the dog come shit in your house every day ? No! You give him a big kick and no more shit !

Just see the Cream forum is now much happy place without him.

caleb · Post by **caleb** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 6:52 am

That's cool Immanuel. And I responded to your other thread about using Pulsar. That was a cool topic.

It had an air of cooperative learning about it which was cool. The platform is so diverse that it's really great to see how other people are using it and why they want to continue to do so.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 7:05 am

Uber Knob Master

All my coments to the quotes can be taken offensive.
DXL alone himself does not destroy to me. It is the offensive debate, (wich he is part of) that may destroy some of my good feel for this forum. But as I pointed out you can not fight war with war (when you can not make your enemies post-existent - and doing so in a forum like this is a very delicate thing, that I have a hard time believing John will appresiate). In a place like this war can be "fought" with peace however. And my statement is, that some of us must be more aware for this to work.

Immanuel

Uber Knob Meister · Post by **Uber Knob Meister** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 7:31 am

Maybe you never seen real fight so you think your happy peace ways have power. In real war you lie down in front of tank and squish goes your big head.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 8:30 am

You are right. I have never been in a real war.

Immanuel

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 9:54 am

Well, anyway guys... I come back from my trip and this ain't what I want to see on this forum. Just let it go. ya know? Sure, we all have our fits about dxl and dxl may have his fits about us. Truely... I was thinking he was starting to make serious, straight up comments just before I left.. Let's just not make a big deal out of this yeah? Or, atleast let's keep the main bulletin free of all this non sense.
I'm done, and I mean done.

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 11:23 am

And this thread is done for now too.