Pro Flexor for Scope 5 - PETITION

[braincell]

HA! So much for portability! And why do they have to rewrite the modules for it if it is exactly the same? Now I know it's doomed. Ridiculous product. End of subject.

[Fluxpod]

HA! So much for portability! And why do they have to rewrite the modules for it if it is exactly the same? Now I know it's doomed.

So..you have had 0 idea what the xite is and you are still making ..your oppinions on it like there is no tomorrow?Sorry but how old are you?
Its absurd Braincell....sorry but i dont even know how anybody can take you serious on this forum.
To go atleast a bit on Topic here....i make a LOT of my income using Flexor 1.5 at the moment on scope and i DO plan to upgrade to 3.0 and i also plan to upgrade to scope5...so what are my options...miss on flexor 3 or scope 5.This is a sucky situation for me.And spare me the ...you could go vst..i just do not want to,if there isnt an option to go 3.0 and scope v5 i am screwed.

[garyb]

HA!

you just like to be negative. thank GOD you've ended the subject.

[Immanuel]

HA! So much for portability!

1) A laptop and and an Xite will still be lighter than a rackmount PC with scope cards. For me, that matters.

And why do they have to rewrite the modules for it if it is exactly the same?

2) You are basing your question on a misunderstanding. It will be "the same" to the user, but that does not say, it is the same situation "under the hood"

Now I know it's doomed. Ridiculous product. End of subject.

You finally ended the last bit of reason to take you serious. Spending so much time arguing how something is wrong in so many ways - without even spending 2 minutes on getting to know the very most basic about the product.


As Gary wrote. You just like to be negative. And sometimes you can sound reasonable, but now that your bluff about knowing *hit about what you are talking about, it is clear, that the occasions, where you might have had something right to say ... likely where merely hit or miss lucky pieces of text. When saying so much uninformed random stuff, sometimes you will hit something right. Why do you want to put up with this yourself? What do you gain from your choice of being negative?

[nightscope]

HA! So much for portability!

Laptop + Xite + a few pres = Voila. Sounds extremely portable to me. Try luggin' round an Otari tape machine + mixing desk + snakes all in flight cases then you'll understand it's appeal. It should well proove to be an extremely flexible system for any kind of music production.

ns

[Mr Arkadin]

Dear viewer, we have just entered the surreal realm of:

[siriusbliss]

HA! So much for portability!

What do you gain from your choice of being negative?

apparently some much needed attention that is redundant anyways.
endless cyclic blathering and still nothing said.

Greg

[valis]

Dear viewer, we have just entered the surreal realm of:

LOL, I remember that.

[bill3107]

May be we could change the thread title : "Xite for Braincell ? - petition" .... I already have the answer to that question ... I would suggest Flexor is not for Braincell either ... a lot more complicated than connecting Xite to a computer ...

Funny thread really ....

Jonathan

[sherlock]

what kind of pc do I have to buy to be able:

- to port a scope project containing 12 modular patches that fully load 28 dsps to cubase + new vst flexor plugin
- use it in realtime with low latency?

[bill3107]

I think you should open a new thread for that question in order to get anough answers... Only few people (flexor users) will see it otherwise. just a suggestion of course... hope you'll find the answer !

[sherlock]

ok. should have written some more lines to clarify my intention.

I don´t want to buy a new computer. the question is: can a flexor VST plugin actually be as powerful as the flexor modules used in sc modular synth. I remember having trouble even with Kontakt 3 playing a few instruments based on samples. that should not be very CPU intensive at all, but we had to restart the final mixdown serveral times because of voodoo timing and sound failures. what will happen with 12 instances of flexor running?

[Mr Arkadin]

ok. should have written some more lines to clarify my intention.

I don´t want to buy a new computer. the question is: can a flexor VST plugin actually be as powerful as the flexor modules used in sc modular synth. I remember having trouble even with Kontakt 3 playing a few instruments based on samples. that should not be very CPU intensive at all, but we had to restart the final mixdown serveral times because of voodoo timing and sound failures. what will happen with 12 instances of flexor running?

Seeing as the VSTi of FleXor isn't yet available (it's probably still in development) no-one can answer that, except perhaps Red Muze, and until it's fully tested even he probably doesn't know.

[sherlock]

well, hope I will know the answer before upgrading to scope 5 and buying the new flexor version.

but perhaps there are some experiences with comparable VST instruments? In my opinion, as soon as the plugin has to share the CPU with other programs and the operating system, there is always the risk of nondeterministic behaviour...

[johnbowen]

Electronic music is a recording art. We don't play live, that is for guitar bands. The Xite is a live product for people who don't play live.

I am a guitarist a singer and a music therapist. When I play guitar and sing, I don't use sequenzers and I would love to have Xite. And when I do music therapy, I would in some instances love to have Xite too.

Does using multitrack recording of audio count as using a sequencer? That's the only thing I use - not familiar with any of the sequencer packages these days. Playing live is also a lot of fun, too!

-john b

[kensuguro]

lemme toss in a stone (darn that was a lot of reading!).

To me, I don't think Flexor moving to any platform is of relavance. Moving to native will have piracy issues, but sound wise, I doubt it will be much of an issue. From what I remember chatting with Red back before Flexor was released, his methodology is very mathematical, and my guess is that can be recreated fairly well on anything.

Going to brain's comments on CPUS gaining power rapidly.. I actually savvy that idea. To me, it seems like getting extra PCs when you need more oomf, may be a very valid choice, if portability isn't an issue. Sure, you'll have some sort of wintosh system running which will most likely crash in one way or the other, but it's cheap, and easily deployable. So productivity wise, I don't think this route is invalid.

Not in terms of flexor's impact on scope platform.. I'm 100% sure that flexor has had incredible impact in the mod community. The only thing is... I'm not too sure the mod community is what SC caters to. It is a strong part of the product, but as a whole, perhaps it doesn't constitute a big enough portion. If so, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a business choice to prioritize mod related matters lower than whatever else it is they're doing. It definitely lookes like SC is trying to go in a slightly different direction than before. (seems more mix / studio orientated, less instruments) But that's just my speculation.

At the end of they day, I don't think mixing native and DSP is a bad idea, or going native isn't such a bad idea either. Anything easy, and fits in well with the workflow is going to attract more users. I started using Pulsar back when my CPU couldn't handle more than a handfull of native synths with minimal voices each. Now, I run most of my synths on native, and just mix on scope. I just think the distinction isn't such a big deal anymore. Of course, I personally would never mix in dsp.... but I've done it before, and it wasn't too bad.

[MD69]

All of this is a storm in a cup of tea!

Don't extrapolate on decisions you don't know. It's an economic matter which can easily be resolved by clever minds.

I don't think sc underestimate flexor, just they have other more important matters to solve (as the delay for xcite tend to prove) before to be busy with this.

It can easily understood that creamware going out of busisness have hurted adern sales and recent events (TASCAM stopping Giga certainly for incomes too low) have also prooven that developpers have to think to the pratform on which they works.

Let them reach an agreement, that's all which matter.

[Shroomz~>]

All of this is a storm in a cup of tea!

+1

[braincell]

More important things? Bullshit! They never even tried Flexor. That is partly why I called them arrogant. They think that they are gods offering us their genius contraptions and we should be grateful for whatever we get with no input from us because they know so much better than we do what we need. Red played down the fact that he wrote better modules than they did. The modular was a good idea then they dropped it. Like they dropped the STS. They do one small thing and move on no progression. Adern plans to improve the modular, SC does not care. They are too busy working on xite or whatever they think is the hot sexy item of the time. I read about platform 5 and I didn't see anything new about it basically. This is crap. Develop the platform or sell it to someone who will.

The petition is a waste of time because there is no dialog with customers. There never has been and there never will be. The petition will not even be read. I gave more money to this company than I did to Roland and Yamaha combined but I feel I am a nobody to them.

[Shroomz~>]

Give us all a break braincell. Please!

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