darkrezin wrote:The thing is, the price point of the Xcite-1 is at a much higher level than the original Scope cards.
Do you think? I think that all these years later it's comparatively (taking all aspects into account) lower... much lower.
I do see what you're saying about the price point though. I mean, you were one of the people that didn't think 600euro was too much to ask for a mastering EQ for Scope, so based on that, then yes, 3000 euro for a new ultra fast & more flexible Scope system that runs on XP, OSX & Vista is indeed very well priced. If you define 'well priced' by whether it's expensive enough or not, then that's a totally different matter.
I've had a bit of financial luck recently...
I still have 2 Pulsar I's, 1 Pulsar II, 2 Pro cards and a Sync plate. If i can sell/trade these, get half the money and keep the devices, then I'm in.
Of course, after the first positive compatability and stability reports...
Anyone willing to trade little cash for DSPs???
I hope SC would consider a trade in action... 100 euros for home/PI, 200 euros for project/PII and 400 or 500 for Pro, and keeping the plugs, would do just fine for me too. Maybe this is just daydreaming...
Me thinks this is great news and all should stop speculating, and especially stop bitching about a new product without knowing anything about it...
Considering the amount of DSP - no I don't think it's overpriced at all. But therein lies the issue - I don't think people need the DSP (well they don't think they do anyway), and that makes the price too high by default. I can only really speak for my own experience, but the way I see it, the vast majority of the market is either Ableton Live/Reason type users, or Pro Tools LE users who are happy to work with URS or Massey plugins. Personally I couldn't be happy with that - I think it is possible to get good results but you have to work a lot harder to achieve it. I don't use Scope exclusively either - I think this is also limiting. I would definitely say I use all 3 - native, Scope and hardware, for FX and instruments/samplers. But users like me don't comprise a lot of the market, most people need the convenience, ubiquity/compatibililty and recall of mass-market DAW systems.
It is important to maintain a balanced forum. There should be a disclaimer on any post made by a salesman of their products such as you Gary. If you want to constantly lick their backside, that is your business but you should not feel insulted when someone doesn't agree with you, furthermore, I think you need to learn to read. I never said the system is poor quality so why should I sell it and get a tiny fraction of what I paid for it?
garyb wrote:i happen to know why they went bankrupt and expensive cards wasn't the reason. you don't want anything else from them? fine.
you don't think your cards were worth it? sell them.
there's no need to be a troll.
Considering the amount of DSP - no I don't think it's overpriced at all. But therein lies the issue - I don't think people need the DSP (well they don't think they do anyway), and that makes the price too high by default.
I disagree & think that you've actually highlighted one of the main issues here. I've lost count of the number of times now that I've seen someone say 'my 4dsp pulsar card is enough for me' or 'I don't need more than 6dsps' etc etc (there are many variations of this including people that think their 3dsp luna card is enough for them). The bottom line is that these people are not & have never been! reaping the true benefits of the system. Serious 16 channel mixing on Scope = 6 - 15 dsps min'. A serious polysynth such as Solaris = 6 - 15
dsps min'. A serious modular patch = 6 - 15 dsps min'. Now, I could continue, but I think you'll be getting the picture already. To run serious 16 channel mixing, a nice polysynth & nice modular patch all at the same time, we're currently looking at potentially needing up to 45 dsps. My point is really that those people (or anyone even close to that catagory) are never going to be enthrawled by the thought of spending money on a dsp powerhouse that they won't make use of.
Btw, I'm with you on the native, Scope & hardware combo.
braincell, whatever.
obviously, you have very little experience with high end studio gear, because scope has to be one of the all time cheapest peices of kit of the very highest quality for that money EVER.
also, i DO sell the products, although i've actually made little to no money for my efforts(which might have something to do with knowing that the reason for the bankruptcy is not what you have posted). the reason i sell the gear is because there is limited representaion in my area, and because the stuff has been a GODSEND in my own studio. my rack of outboard almost never gets used anymore and i dumped a 2" 24track scully tape deck because i was getting such good results using scope. i suck S/C's butt because the stuff works well and is a bargain and i selfishly want to keep the ball rolling so that the thing that makes my studio work and be productive stays in production and continues to be supported. period.
you can have whatever opinion you want braincell, but there's no need to be a troll(as i said before). i take this personally, because unfounded rumors can kill a good product. SCOPE IS MORE THAN JUST A GOOD PRODUCT. it's a great one. the price is MORE than fair. an XITE-1 with a few 3rd party plugins is 100s of 1000s of dollars worth of REAL, HIGH-END gear for about $4000. how is that overpriced? if you don't need all that, or if your needs are already met, then don't buy it!
speaking of needs already met, you've spent a paltry $6000 on gear(a down payment on my wifes bass gear alone) and your needs are met? sounds like a good deal to me. how many years have you gotten use from this stuff? if you can't get use from it, why haven't you sold it and left this message board?
i don't have an axe to grind with you braincell, necessarily. i'm just giving an honest knee-jerk reaction to what you have posted.
I hear ya Shroomz - for someone who knows and appreciates what Scope can do - yes it makes sense. But sadly I don't think many people 'get it'. I've had a lot of people I know (some of whom had Scope cards in the past) come round and say 'wow you still have your creamware gear'. The implication is very much "I can't believe you can actually be arsed".
By the way telling me to sell my cards is a bit like me telling you to leave the country since you don't like Bush. It's not any of your business what I do with my cards Gary so screw you.
Well, it is a shame that people feel the need to put down the very thing that brings us together in this place...
IMO, Sonic Core has proven to be a responsible company, in that it has given us, current users, a path to the future. We get to keep our current devices and projects, and we don't have to worry anymore about what will happen when PCI boards disappear, and what Magma boards works with what, and all that cr*ap. Apparently, come May, they will deliver a lot if not everything we have suggested or wished for or demanded. Let's see:
- new drivers
- Vista, XP and OSX support
- new devices and new Scope Fusion Software
- new DSP hardware, with more processing power and backward plug-in compatibility
- more compatibility re. host computer: Apple, PCI-E, EC...
- portability assured by Sonic Core (no 3rd part interfacing needed)
All users will get something out of this, and that is well generous of SC, IMO. Pro users, or at least people who make enough money, or get enough kicks out of it to justify the purchase shouldn't really think twice. It's not such big money for a working studio, and it will easily integrate with all sorts of existing setups, whatever DAW, whatever platform - no more need to go 1998 to have Scope. many will try it out and end up using it all the time.
As for the rest of us, well time will tell! Maybe smaller X-Cites, maybe dedicated boards for FX or synths... But at least we know that our investiment in 3rd party plugs is being valued and that someday, we may even get a chance to own an X-CIte1! Let's not be jealous!!!
There is no comparable product, nothing that can do synths and processing like it, and besides Scope is it's own computer, so there's no need to go after the latest fastest CPUs or whatevers... i have just finished my magma / scope setup, and I have spent a lot on that, and I would rather have bought an X-Cite-1 instead. But witrh the setup I have, I finally have a chance to actually earn my new equipment by producing much better quality sound than before.
So go Sonic Core!!
I have one suggestion for the X-Cite: the ability to function without a computer, like a klangbox. We could, for example, store some projects in an on-board memory, and select them via a knob on the front. The unit would load the project and devices without the need for a GUI, assign audio and MIDI paths. Then it would just be a question of plugging a MIDI keyboard / controller into it and play on. This, I believe, would really set this way above anything else.
As an hobbyist I don't see myself buying new hardware, especially at that price, especially after spending a lot on what I already have.
I don't understand whom is SC targeting with the new product?
Have you ever tried to transfer keys? If you are lucky enough for them to understand your email they might do it but there will probably be mistakes made. It's even more difficult with third party software I have found. Unfortunately, DRM is more important to them than customer satisfaction.
