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Casar
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Issues

Post by Casar »

Have had scope for a few days now and so far failed to hear anything from it.

These are my issues.

No sound coming out, it seems it isn´t even recognizing any midi from my keyboard. I use an USB midi keyboard, do I have to use the onboard Scope midi input/output for it to recognize midi?

All XTC and synths disappeard from the menus of Cubase 4.

Any help appreciated. I intend to use the scope card as the main one in Cubase, for asio etc.
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Post by hubird »

Scope doesn't have usb inputs, you have to route it through your native system via your usb supporting sequencer (like Cubase) or use native transformer software Midex (if it's called that way, I'm on mac), if you don't have a sequencer activ.

not to try to get you off XTC, but you could try to get everything running without using XTC but SFP.
You will get confidence and insight in the core setup.
If you have that right, XTC is much easier to get right with help from people here.

It's hard to advise about XTC problems if you're even struggling with usb and midi :-)
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Post by Casar »

Thanks for the suggestions.

I got XTC working and so I hear the scope synths in XTC mode but not in SFP mode. If I run SFP I get the midi signal to the instrument but no audio out.
How do you call up the main interface where you see the routing and stuff visually? I happened to click it away and don´t know how to call it back.

Another annoying issue is that when I record midi in cubase the notes always end up offbeat/offtime by a an 8th or so, no note is right. Dunno where this issue comes from, and this is while using the lowest latency of scope ASIO, or higher.

This scope stuff seems very archaic and ardous to use. Kinda regret I bought right now but I´ll see if I get grip on it.
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Post by garyb »

yeah, hardware is archaic and arduous. :lol:

the routing window is found by clicking on "set" and then "routing window". the routing window has all the connections. it works EXACTLY like hardware, outs go to ins.

in Cubase's advanced settings, check "use system clock"(or similar) this should fix midi timings. there are lot's of posts on the subject, so feel free to use the search function.

the most important info is that the manual should be under the "?" on the live bar. you need to read it, not cover to cover, but it has detailed documentation on everything you want to use.

actually, Scope is still the most ADVANCED DAW platform. no one else makes anything remotely like it, regardless of age. please be patient, you have much more than just a soundcard....
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Post by Casar »

Please, don´t shoot the piano player!

I got SFP mode working but I really don´t see any benefit of using that mode. I nearly always use the instruments together with other recorded materials like voice, guitar etc and working with two mixers just doesn´t seem very effective. I kinda see the point if you are only using scope stuff and nothing else. I´ll be printing the manual when I get a printer.

Oh yeah, all the DAS stuff ended up in the VST instrument menu, and not in the FX menu where it should be, I´ll drop the maker of DAS a mail and see what happens.

I will go to the cubase forum and ask about that advanced setting, I can´t find anything that resembles that option (Cubase 4),

My midi keyboard has a standard midi out which I used to get it going, so that´s fine now.

Thanks for taking your time to comment!
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Post by garyb »

no need to print the manual.
just read the couple of pages that relate to what you are trying to do....

scope mode is the thing that let's you have a REAL studio....use the whole thing as you like. maybe a study of recording studio operation and techniques might show you the real benefits of Scope. if you prefer XTC mode though, of course that's fine! use your gear as you see fit. :)

as to stuff ending up in the wrong folders, well i'm sorry to say that YOU did that. :lol: just put the stuff in the folders that it belongs in. a computer is really just a bunch of files, so understanding what the folders are and how they're organized is the key to understanding your computer.....
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Casar wrote:Another annoying issue is that when I record midi in cubase the notes always end up offbeat/offtime by a an 8th or so, no note is right. Dunno where this issue comes from, and this is while using the lowest latency of scope ASIO, or higher.

This scope stuff seems very archaic and ardous to use. Kinda regret I bought right now but I´ll see if I get grip on it.
I would sell it immediately :-D
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Post by Casar »

garyb wrote:no need to print the manual.
just read the couple of pages that relate to what you are trying to do....

scope mode is the thing that let's you have a REAL studio....use the whole thing as you like. maybe a study of recording studio operation and techniques might show you the real benefits of Scope. if you prefer XTC mode though, of course that's fine! use your gear as you see fit. :)

as to stuff ending up in the wrong folders, well i'm sorry to say that YOU did that. :lol: just put the stuff in the folders that it belongs in. a computer is really just a bunch of files, so understanding what the folders are and how they're organized is the key to understanding your computer.....
No I certainly did not put them into any specific folder! I just used the standard OXE install and so all stuff except DAS ended where they should be. The way VST works the plugs, they always end up correctly because it usually knows if the plug is an FX or a VST instrument. If I take any VST instrument and place it elsewhere it will either show up in main dir or a subfolder but never can one force Cubase to recognize an instrument as an fx! Never saw that happen, they use different headers in the code. I´ll fiddle some more, thanks!
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Post by astroman »

Casar wrote:...If I take any VST instrument and place it elsewhere it will either show up in main dir or a subfolder but never can one force Cubase to recognize an instrument as an fx! Never saw that happen, they use different headers in the code. ...
before you fiddle too much... :D
the Scope plugins are not executed by the sequencer - in XTC mode there's just a placeholder for IO purpose which redirects processing to the DSP card.
The sequencer only sees the dummy shell of the plug.

cheers, Tom
(I don't use that mode so some details may vary...)
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