Some basic general questions about scope

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:02 am

Radars? Sharcs? Creamware? Ah the original headquarters makes sense now.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:09 am

scope4live wrote:...How could they take a DSP chip meant for defense purposes and make it a perfect audio solution. I have read that these were actually meant for radar interception, and doppler radar. ...

well you know about the main two driving forces behind everything that's called 'progress' - it's either sex or war ...

yet someone was smart enough to recognize the specific strenght for the device for audio purpose and so they focussed on this aspect.
Imho Analog Devices (later) extended the product line with TigerSharcs for high performance applications in military, medicine and telecom.
The Blackfin was added as a cost-effective, more general purpose device.

Stardust wrote:...Whather it is radar digital signals or audiocard digital signals or mobile handhelds is not important...

it is indeed very important when it comes to specific ranges of certain functions.
For example there is a (general, unrelated to DSPs) weakness of floating point processing, as it's incredibly precise, but the range of numbers is not continuous (!)
Now everyone usually assumes that because you can represent one single value with say 24 digits precision, each and every number between zero and infinity is calculated with the same 'accuracy'.
Which is simply not the case - go google it yourself, math can be pretty funny...

cheers, Tom

Mike Goodwin · Post by **Mike Goodwin** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:03 pm

Well folks I have been "trying" to update for a few days now

I like the sound of scope but I have to say that my first week of actualy trying to update it and use it I feel pretty unsure about it. I have tried to get my unlock key to actualy reflect the products included in the 4.5 update twice. Still waiting for the second one to come back. I still do not have my PRO12 working as well as several mixers, and on top of that there are several plug-ins that give me error messages every sing time I try to use them, and then refuse to work. Things like "cant find DSP file ADD4L"..... "cant find file znix Please check installation". So I try and re-install scope with no luck. I have re-installed the scope platform on my computer about 8 times in the last three days. And it is just back and forth with Sonic Core trying to get them to give me the links and info I need to try and fix things.

Can anyone tell me how I can try and "check my installation"?! of a oxe file? I have tried download the oxe files from the site OVER AND OVER and reinstalling them with no luck at all. Is there a place that I can find these files manualy and patch the software up?

sorry for the rant folks but I am loosing my cool.

nightscope · Post by **nightscope** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:08 pm

Hi mike,

Try this batch file of valis'. First time I installed Scope everything went peachy. Then, when I got a new box, some files went missing after the install. Something to do with file attributes. Anyhow, valis' file did the trick.

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... batch+file

ns

Post by **garyb** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:36 pm

this generally happens when trying to install the downloaded version from the cd. in the future put the folder on the desktop and install from there.

valis' batchfile should do the trick.

Mike Goodwin · Post by **Mike Goodwin** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:49 am

I tried the file and it ran successfully but things are still missing. I even did a search of my scope directories to see if the files where actually there and they all are. Nothing is actually missing. Scope just fails to see them. I have done all my installs from a downloads that I have extracted to my desktop before installing. Is the software side of scope always this much of a pain?

dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:03 am

Mike - I'll leave a Scope 4.5 install cd at L&M for you today, maybe your downloaded installer is faulty.

For installing .oxe files, try placing the downloaded file in the app/oxe directory (try them one at a time). Do this while scope is not running, then start scope; you'll get several installation messages, then exit scope and restart to have access to your new plug.
This should work with more than one .oxe at a time, but best to keep it simple til it's working right.

If you have your Scope computer at the shop, I could have a look at your setup - Scope is actually pretty easy to troubleshoot once you've got the hardware part stable.

Later,

/dave

Post by **garyb** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:40 pm

the software usually works for me, but this kind of thing can happen. actually, i've only had the problem once in 100's of installs.

for the bad file in question, go to it's properties and be sure it's not checked "read only" or hidden. if it is, uncheck that property and restart scope and it should work. if that doesn't help, remove it and copy and paste the file from your install folder or run the oxe again. it will work.

Mike Goodwin · Post by **Mike Goodwin** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:48 pm

Ok so I just deleted my scope install again and did another reinstall just to see what would happen. And I guess it was 5th time lucky. I am not getting any of the missing files problems anymore! Thank Goodness!

Why on earth do I get a different result installing the same dam installer? That kinda stresses me out. I fear that It would be like that every time I had to move my install. So it is working and I am now happy and will make a point of not reformatting my computer for a VERY long time if I can help it.

Mike Goodwin · Post by **Mike Goodwin** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:49 pm

Thank you very much for the disk. I will hold on to that for future installs!

dbmac wrote:Mike - I'll leave a Scope 4.5 install cd at L&M for you today, maybe your downloaded installer is faulty.

For installing .oxe files, try placing the downloaded file in the app/oxe directory (try them one at a time). Do this while scope is not running, then start scope; you'll get several installation messages, then exit scope and restart to have access to your new plug.
This should work with more than one .oxe at a time, but best to keep it simple til it's working right.

If you have your Scope computer at the shop, I could have a look at your setup - Scope is actually pretty easy to troubleshoot once you've got the hardware part stable.

Later,

/dave

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:34 pm

"I fear that It would be like that every time I had to move my install"

Once you have things tweaked, backup your entire C:\SFP directory (or whatever hard drive you put it on). When you do a reinstall, you can just copy the old SFP folder onto the new, and your environment (all the installed software and licensing) will just work. I wouldn't want to have to rebuild my environment; until I figured out how to back things up (actually Alfonso gave me that tip I think), I found reinstalling the scope software to be almost as bad as getting a windows 98 system set up.

Don't get discouraged. Once you get going with this system, you'll honestly wonder how you ever did without it.

Mike Goodwin · Post by **Mike Goodwin** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:37 pm

Great tipe Liquid Len!

clanctot · Post by **clanctot** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:40 pm

Good Mike, I am happy for you.

Christian

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:24 am

garyb wrote:scope is virtual reality. the scope environment is a room that all of the computer world and real world have connections in. an audio sequencer program can be thought of as a multitrack recorder like a vs2480 or a tape machine. hardware devices like recorders connect to mixers and effects via wires and JACKS. inside scope, the i/o JACKS for the sequencer can connect to the JACKS for the mixer, effects or the real world(going in and out of the computer via the card) in any way you please. scope replaces your current sound card and then some.....you can go in and out of the computer and use real hardware in REALTIME with effectively ZERO latency(well, a couple of samples for the converter time) as well as stream one application into another!(for example, i mixdown out of cubase or sonar directly into samplitude. cubase is my multitrack, samplitude is my 2 track master and i push "play" in cubase and "record" in samplitude and do it the old fashioned, quick way! )

or, you can still use your current card and route via adats or whatever to scope, but that is like the department of the redundancy department, especially since scope sounds so much better than other cards, or as good as the best.

I do all tracking in Samplitude Pro, and route through Scope environment into a 2nd instance of Samplitude for mixdown using Scope modules such as PsyQ and bxDigital - all inside one machine. The results are awesome!

Greg

p.s. and GaryB builds a great DAW machine!

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:59 am

Liquid Len wrote:...Once you have things tweaked, backup your entire C:\SFP directory (or whatever hard drive you put it on). When you do a reinstall, you can just copy the old SFP folder onto the new, and your environment (all the installed software and licensing) will just work. ...

yes, that's a very important tip
basically a Scope system even works by just copying that folder hierarchy to another machine...
I tried it for fun recently and as far as Scope itself was concerned, it worked flawlessly - just the Sequencer, Asio, midi etc stuff failed - obviously a few items in the Windows Registry were missing.

an intaller shortcut would be much appreciated, e.g. something that does the registry trick and then bails out.
Maybe as an option 'Scope system only'

cheers, Tom

Post by **garyb** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:30 pm

a reinstall over the top of old directories doesn't overwrite custom files.

or, install as normal and then copy and paste the device, presets, dsp and vxd folders from the old install to the new. this takes less than 5 minutes.

either way, easy solutions...