Big thank to Ralf

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:26 am

manu wrote:
astroman wrote:
well, I didn't want to participate here, but since the cat's out of bag anyway...

this hacking blurb is complete bullsh*t - there is no hacking involved at all, not even an SDK.
in SFP(!) ....blablabla

EDITED BY MANUEL BETMAN Astroman was explaining,with details how to pirate a device !

....and it may show one or the other 'demo protection module', which is usually a primitive timer/counter plus decision.

Click-Delete-Reconnect and the device doesn't beep or timeout anymore.
You can hardly call that 'hacking' and it isn't even in legal context, not even if the developer had different intentions...
if the device is provided 'as is' then it's the sole responsibility of the developer to have taken any precautions to prevent unintended use, if 'use' is restricted to the system's regular operation, which opening a file unquestionably is.
The 'user' can in no way be assumed to 'think' for another person - that IS a legal matter of fact and I'm absolutely sure to have read sentences with exactly that reasioning.

cheers, Tom

1.) the quote above contains text that was edited by me ...
btwv now I regret that I didn't quote a specific message by Eric towards SpaceF which revealed much about his true character

2.) it was written after (for the 100th time) after Eric himself had written 'you can open a device, for example to remove copy protection'

3.) the intention of the post was to show that it was nonsense to call someone a 'hacker' for using the 'Open file' menu item of the operating system.

4.) there is not a single additional step required, the device isn't touched at all by any tools - and that is not hacking

5.) as written above it is perfectly legal to do whatever SFP allows you do with the routing window.
it is not legal to use the device without a license, which is a totally obvious matter of fact.

6.) Months before this 'case' I have informed Olive in a private message on january 1st that this is not only possible with SDK, but also with SFP and suggested to exchange the demos on the server.
Stupid me considering it 'new-years-goodwill' as they always suggested I had intentions to damage their business - which is bare nonsense.

7.) I have spent almost 3k Euro in SFP devices, so don't call me a pirate

cheers, Tom

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:40 am

Ya'll Have A Festive Holiday Season !!

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:07 am

Yes, as all those same few guys involved in this topic.

Who let them write how to open a device ? YOU, J.Cooper, not me.

Respectable people are men who act by themselves, without external help,with a knowledge of what really happens.

Remember history, and just a bit of philosophy because i like truth.

People like me, whose got parents travelling by train as cows, with a nice and yellow star sewn onto their jacket, will never forget what few people have done under pretext they believed in someone.Future has shown us he was the wrong man.

History is history and truth is truth, even when it's hard to believe.

Cheers,

Manuel Betman

Do what you really want J.Cooper and you will win respect

because i don't care about it ,i don't care about you, and i really don't need forums to win money like few guys here.

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i was going to let this thread go till i saw this - absolutely stunning in its arrogance, stupidity and attempt at a guilt trip by involving the Holocaust. Fantastic stuff. Call us Nazis why don't you? C'mon you know you want to.

It's you that has learned nothing manu, except maybe to be bitter and suspicious of everyone, and to never back down on an argument even when you know you are wrong. It's a bit sad really.

Sorry for the bad vibes but i couldn't let that go without a mention.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:08 am

manu wrote:Yes, as all those same few guys involved in this topic.

Who let them write how to open a device ? YOU, J.Cooper, not me.

Respectable people are men who act by themselves, without external help,with a knowledge of what really happens.

Remember history, and just a bit of philosophy because i like truth.

People like me, whose got parents travelling by train as cows, with a nice and yellow star sewn onto their jacket, will never forget what few people have done under pretext they believed in someone.Future has shown us he was the wrong man.

History is history and truth is truth, even when it's hard to believe.

Cheers,

Manuel Betman

Do what you really want J.Cooper and you will win respect because i don't care about it ,i don't care about you, and i really don't need forums to win money like few guys here.

i was going to let this thread go till i saw this - absolutely stunning in its arrogance, stupidity and attempt at a guilt trip by involving the Holocaust. Fantastic stuff. Call us Nazis why don't you? C'mon you know you want to.

It's you that has learned nothing manu, except maybe to be bitter and suspicious of everyone, and to never back down on an argument even when you know you are wrong. It's a bit sad really.

Let's see, 99% of planet z members from all over the world with different backgrounds, religions, races, culture and get along just fine and are friendly and helpful to each other, 1% likes to spit bile and contribute nothing. Who do you think is right? Do you live in a world of one person where everyone else (except Eric of course

) must be wrong? Lonely planet, i prefer this one (earth and z).

Sorry for the bad vibes but i couldn't let that go without a mention.

MD69 · Post by **MD69** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:23 am

Hi,

As mr Arkadin, I didn't want to reply until that last stupid post.

Manu, if you don't need this forum, then could you please quit as we don't need further noise!
and stop trying to manipulate.

cheers
Michel

emphazer · Post by **emphazer** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:29 am

MD69 wrote:Hi,

As mr Arkadin, I didn't want to reply until that last stupid post.

Manu, if you don't need this forum, then could you please quit as we don't need further noise!
and stop trying to manipulate.

cheers
Michel

these are my thoughts written down

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:46 am

it's the constant refusal to accept facts as they are that amazes me most. yes, truth is truth, and it won't change just because you want it to, manu.
if those who claim being pirated find evidence for that and catch those who use their software without having a license, I'm absolutely fine with that (since I paid for my plugins

).

-greetings, markus-

manu · Post by **manu** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:26 am

edited

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:40 am

manu wrote:
Let Eric in peace,as i act by myself.
As Cooper wrote : you have to agreed with this forum's rules.
You show me that you have something important to hide .

Oh, so suddenly you care about Cooper' s (as you so respectfully call him) forum rules? How quickly you forget your own words:

manu wrote:Do what you really want J.Cooper and you will win respect because i don't care about it ,i don't care about you, and i really don't need forums to win money like few guys here.

If this was my forum that there would be an instant ban. You're lucky The 'Cooper' is so patient.

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:50 am

if the decription of the procedure (called "hacking") is really as illegal as you claim it to be, not only the first incarnation is legally relevant, but also every repetition of it. thus, you are a hacker and software pirate, by repeatedly quoting illegal hacking methods, manu.

manu · Post by **manu** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:57 am

Right Kylie and i 'm not Astroman.I edit my post.
Next time you see a member doing this,hope you will tell him the same.
15mn out the office ,and 2 answers !
I was just proving lies are not my world

Cheers,

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:05 am

so you want to say that lot of z ppl are hacking others plugings!!

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:05 am

You are a fool. i had never even seen that post before - now you're just shown it in its entirety - not that it's an issue. Just for a laugh i tried the method described and it didn't work anyway. If the method was a description of hacking (which it is not, but you claim it to be) then you just showed people who didn't know how to do it how to do it.

manu · Post by **manu** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:06 am

Mr Arkadin wrote:You are an fool.

Fool YOU are ! Mr Arkadin.
As i'm not Astroman,i have edited this post after only 15 mn ! ask you friend if you want to have more precision about to open a device.Remember it was his original quote,not mine

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:19 am

Not only do i have no interest in opening any device i wouldn't know what to do with it if i did (there's probably not a lot i could do anyway). i just liked the idea of a graphical representation, but that didn't work anyway.

Do you really think that after buying 3 Scope cards, Scope 4.5, all the synths (except Prodyssey), all the effects, third party stuff from space f and John Bowen that even if i was technically capable (which i am so obviously not) of hacking devices that i would be morally capable of it? You, sir, insult me.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:21 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y05EmK66Gsk

manu · Post by **manu** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:24 am

Who is the next one ?

Don't put all your energy to make J.Cooper banning me,he already took his decision.
History is history and truth is truth,that's all for me

As you shown me you have something very important to hide,i'll let you in your nice place

See you soon, and goodbye.
Cheers,

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:28 am

im glad you found inner peace.

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:31 am

manu wrote:Right Kylie and i 'm not Astroman.I edit my post.

the difference between you and astroman is that in his opinion he does nothing legally relevant, and you think he's wrong. so it is just consequent for him not to edit his post, as it is for you to edit yours. your and his truth differ in the way you both look at the facts given.

Next time you see a member doing this,hope you will tell him the same.

well, if I'd share your point of view, I'd certainly do it. but since this is not the case, I'm sorry to say that I won't. it would be your task, then.

for you, it would be furthermore consequent to start a lawsuit against CW/SC, since they offer a tool (called Scope Fusion Platform, or SFP for short) which allows hacking of software devices/modules coded for explicit and exclusive use with this hacking tool. since the quoted procedure clearly shows that this SFP is used for hacking, it is evident that SFP can not be legal. if you can provide a different method for hacking, then sue the makers of the used tool as well (I assume the SDK is a worthy candidate to look at, and it is even produced by the same company, so one could easily guess that it might be a hacking tool, too).

if your intentions are really truthful and honest, then go for it.

-greetings, markus-

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:39 am

dont go away