My first synth plug is about to be ready - the OSS 107

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:29 am

Hi Jimmy,

The sub sound is a square wave one octave down the main oscillator frequency.

About the Luna: this one is my first scope card with which all started for me about Scope in september 2005. And it is used as the audio I/O device together with a LUNA 2496 I/O box as my only other card is a Scope Pro SRB (no I/O).

Do not hesitate to provide me some less noisy presets.

CheerZ

Audiographe · Post by **Audiographe** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:49 am

Very very good sound & first dev !
Good bass ; )

Laurent.@+°

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:05 am

I have until tonight to make some for all of us.

The Square sounds so round, glad I was wrong. I can do b etter presets w/ the Square anyway.

This synth is great for several reasons. It has great features, sounds, interface, and best of all, 4 voice poly is quite sufficent. So having 2 of these in a project leaves very little footprint on the DSP.

I will leave a few pre's this week.

BTW I do love your noise presets. I was just pointing out your love of the noise also.

I use moise in minimal amounts on all presets of Bown synths, some mopre than others. It adds to the electrical voice card buzz that so many people overlook.

Soyez Fructueux, Et Muliply ! !

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:02 am

scope4live wrote:Got It.

This is your first synth 'eh.

Let's get going on the second then.

Any wish about the second one toward what is provided by the first one.

This synth is really BCR 2000 use oriented with 5 x 8 pot + 16 switches.
Now that I am more familiar to SDK handling, I am thinking about an enhance version using the full capacity of the BCR 2000 (56 pot + 52 swwitches) to set up some mod matrix features.

Anyway before starting up something else I think I just also build up a quick guide to provide together with the plug.

I am looking forward to ear what preset sounds you can achieve out of this one.

As soon as I have enough presets and feedback about this plug, I will release the plug to both MaoMusique and PlanetZ communities.

CheerZ

breitner · Post by **breitner** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:50 pm

Just started working on your synth, after wasting hours on importing the sysex file into the BCR.
Just a tip for those who also want to upload presets to the BCR: make sure you do not have the most recent java installed. The BC -editor ( a java applet) only works until version 1.4.2-16!

With respect to first impressions: I think you could achieve a lot more when including a more versatile filter.

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:46 pm

It is funny that the most frequent problem encountered by people getting this synth was more about the BCR 2000 sysex file transfer rather than installation or use problem.

Just to inform you: the sysex file provided is designed and use with the bcrfedit v0.41 editor (I never succeed to achieve some good work with the original Berhinger editor).

The different request I already received were interesting. I do not know if I would include the requested enhancement in this plug or if I will release this one as it is and then work on an enhance version. Some of the requests would probably broaden the sound palette of the synth but would probably also increase the DSP use. I already modify the LFO structure to be able to have 7 LFO xwaveform instead of the 6 I had in the first version: I did this because it did not really increase the DSP use. The other drawback of adding some new function is also that I would probably loose preset compatibility and then loose the 59 presets I already have...

Just to remind you, this plug is for me a kind of training before starting some more advanced synth project.

CheerZ

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:20 pm

Just to illustrate the OSS 107 - BCR 2000 link, a picture extract from the quick manual I am preparing for you all ...

The main idea of this project was typically to test this type of hardware controller to scope link principle.
The idea is to use the scope device control surface screen as a visual extension for the direct sound design possibilities provided by the BCR 2000.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:21 pm

You are doing fine.

I will enjoy watching you add / delete items while it evolves.

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:25 pm

breitner wrote:
With respect to first impressions: I think you could achieve a lot more when including a more versatile filter.

What do you mean by a more versatile filter:
- a multimode with 12/24 dB switch providing HP/BP/LP outputs ?
- a multiple type filter including also some comb type filter for example ?
- a twin instance of filter providing serial/parallel routing capabilities ?
- a combination of all of these ?

CheerZ

Post by **irrelevance** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:27 pm

breitner wrote:Just started working on your synth, after wasting hours on importing the sysex file into the BCR.
Just a tip for those who also want to upload presets to the BCR: make sure you do not have the most recent java installed. The BC -editor ( a java applet) only works until version 1.4.2-16!

With respect to first impressions: I think you could achieve a lot more when including a more versatile filter.

I had the same problem when I recently went down the route of mackie control for the BCR

Easily fixed though as you have already indicated.
With regards to the filter I would certainly like to see more options but for now I think the emphasis is on the control side of things, and in this area OSS scores very highly imo. Logically laid out and fully programmable from the BCR2000.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:46 am

HUROLURA wrote:
breitner wrote:
With respect to first impressions: I think you could achieve a lot more when including a more versatile filter.
What do you mean by a more versatile filter:
- a multimode with 12/24 dB switch providing HP/BP/LP outputs ?
- a multiple type filter including also some comb type filter for example ?
- a twin instance of filter providing serial/parallel routing capabilities ?
- a combination of all of these ?

CheerZ

I guess he means a new filter design, build from scratch with its own character.

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:19 pm

hifiboom wrote: I guess he means a new filter design, build from scratch with its own character.

Well hifi, I guess I have no idea yet about a new filter design but hey who knows, maybe next year.

While I am waiting a bit for feedback before releasing the OSS 107 to the whole community, I am just thinking about what I would do next.

From my personnal use and some of the feedback I already have, the BCR 2000 tailored scope control surface seem to be promising.
I guess I would use the same receipe for the next device which would probably be ... a synth !!!

What type of synth do you miss under Scope. My personnal opinion would be a phase distortion à la CZ-101 one, as my personnal unit seem to start having some trouble (one LCD line missing but I should be able to repair it on my own as soon as I know what type of LCD should fit in...). The only problem I have is about the phase distortion oscillator which seem to be missing in the SDK library.

Any other idea ?

CheerZ

the19thbear · Post by **the19thbear** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:27 pm

amp emulators?
fender rhodes?
würlitzer ep200?
or a WAY old skool synth, such as the sh1000 or sh2000.. they are SO unstable, and random!
I really like the way they cant be controlled 100% maybe even only 90% the rest is up to the weird design!
can you emulate this ( not neccesearly the synth, but the quirkiness)? I think scope lacks a good( read BAD) synth, thats not too stable.. i'm takling about osc tracking, filter tracking, smoothness of filters etc... all these should be a little crappy, but still a good sounding filter/osc etc..
Ok.. C4T is amazing!

does that make sense???

the Thrust synth was and is amazing! too
I LOVE THE SAMPLE AND HOLD feature of this synth!
and, btw!

PLEASE me your filter knobs smoothened.. that way, when i control, for instance, the freq of a filter, it wont result in chopped up intervals, but a smooth sweep.
THANKS!
keep up the good work

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:47 pm

hey, we need a good emulation of this one

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:02 pm

piddi wrote:hey, we need a good emulation of this one

good idea thanks for the tip.

the19thbear · Post by **the19thbear** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:45 pm

YES! seconded!
as i recall, it has an ext input, and its able to track the pitch of the the ext input and cpntrol the pitch of a vco from that..... plus its just darn cool!
very good idea!

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:38 pm

you mean the picth of an incoming wave ? for example a recorded vocal sample?

that would be difficult....

the19thbear · Post by **the19thbear** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:10 am

welll ok then

leave that out
I'm really looking forward to your new synth!

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:12 am

No I mean the phase distortion algorythm, something like PWM applied to awaveform that is different from a square wave ...

For the MS 20, I think an emulation in the modular would be better as it is a semi-modular one...

CheerZ

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:00 am

sorry HUROLURA, in my post I commented on "bears" statement about the ext input on the MS20.

I should have quoted.

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