Mixer with 16 bus

[Gatam]

Hi

i already use the STM 2448 with scope 4.5
but i really need at less 16 bus (8 stereo), and better, 16 stereo bus (or 32 mono with Link fonction to use some of them in stereo mode)
for the moment i m working with Bus and Aux Send of the STM but it s not really pratical
i know that 32 mono bus is not really current, but it's for a very special application
at less 16 mono bus will be very usefull for me
The Dream for me could be a 32 or 48 stereo in / 32 mono bus (with link fonction)

the very old and buggy Big Mixer had 16 mono bus, but i don't want to use it at all (becuse of the phase problem)

i search in all the devices list, and i never seen more than 4 or 8 mono bus

do you know if this kind of mixer exist ?
will some Devlopper plan to do a device like that,
i m ready to pay for that ( i hope i m not alone to wish something like that )

Thanks a lot for Help

[hubird]

Normally the 8 busses are used to 'group' channels.
You seem to wanne output them separately?
You could use the Direct Outs then, you then have 24 mono or stereo of them

[Gatam]

Thanks for your reply Hubird

i already think about direct out but i need too group some Tracks before send them to bus
16 stereo Chanels (4 adat port) come into my Scope systeme
i could sum these stereo chanels in my G5 or the other G4 but i don't want because i prefere the Scope summing (and in these 16 chanels there are already a lot of summing tracks )
in the scope systeme i use somes synth etc ... so i need a lot of input in my Mixer

why do i need all these bus .. hum ...

i try to do something like "virtal acoustic space" for my orchestral mockup

so all these bus are going to 1 E-Refelctor Each.
8 E-Reflector stereo like :
- 1 for Front left - 1 for front center - 1 for front Right
- the same sheme for a middle plan ( R-C-L)
- and 1 for back left and another for back right
(i would prefer to use A100 early reflection, but i only have 27 DSP here )

so i can just play with the ER to place each Instrument Group in a space (with the same ER room (i can play with depth, width etc ....)

after that i send each Er in a mixer and send from this second mixer
1 aux to A100 (full Dry love it) and the Other for "Direct Signal"
i mix the both in a Micro Mixer

i record in a second Logic i have on os 9 (Logic 6.4.3)
i would like to record in Vdat but i didn t try yet

About A100
it would be wonderfull if the A100 Dev provide something like the A100 but JUST for the ER, so it could be less DSP hungry and i could use this wonderful device just for my Virtual space try

my English is not really good, i m sorry

so, any fresh idea about what i try to do ?

a 16 bus mixer and an A100 Er devices, and it would be Christmas for me

[Gatam]

hm

so nobody here need more than 8 mono bus ?
my first use of a Pulsar was in 2000
i recorded my band with the BigMixer and use all the 16 mono bus he had + 4 aux to get a 20 tracks multi-recording (it works perfectly)
ok today i could achieve this with direct out of each big scope mixer, but if i want group some tracks how do you proceed, cascading mixers ?
so i have to load 8 micro mixers or my needs, ok i will try that, but in 1 mixer i can lock the phase button and the result at the begining is certainly more phase coherent ?
any opinion ?

[garyb]

how often do you really need to group those outputs, especially when the sequencer has no problem recording and playing back the individual tracks?

[Gatam]

hi garyb,
thanks for your interest

i need this set up everyday (for orchestral mockup)
My computers (3 computers are connected to the scope & pulsars with ADAT, spdif and AES/EBU) have no problem to playback my work
i use scope specially for mixing (create a "real" space for the orchestra with different ER and one A100), 2 or 3 synths (Vectron and prodyssey at the moment with 1 interpole for each of them)
All these things are reduce in stereo and recording in real time in Logic audio
(i m going to try Vdat later to stay in scope for this step)
i like the scope summing a lot
so my needs nowdays are 8 stereo bus at less (today i used 9 differents ER so 9 are my real needs)

Actually, 24 Stereo tracks come from external computers to the scope

[hubird]

I also use often more than one Er for that little space (glue0 to tracks that should stay dry...but never more than two instances
But I understand what you're after, with that kind of music.
Anyway, you seem to be familiar enough to know what the possibilities are.
You know to find direct-outs, auxes and extra mixers, and you can group already in your sequencer for a few ERs, you are just limited to the DSP resources you have.
It shouldn't have to be so difficult to find a workaround to get 9 groups for ERs alone already

[Gatam]

hi hubird,

yes i m actually working with a workaround setup and it's not perfect but ok
STM 2448 with 8 bus, 6 Aux, mix out and Monitor out are all feedind 9 ER
all these ERs are going in a STM 1632
Aux 1&2 of this 1632 mixer are for the A100 (Wet=100%)
synths are premixed on a micromixer and this one is conected to the STM1632 too
the Mix out of the STM32 and the out of the A100 are conected to a micro mixer
this one is going to control room, control room to main out and asio24->logic audio etc,etc ...(sorry, long to descibe and a little boring )

BUT, it would be so nice if i could deal with fader bus in the STM 2448 instead of swaping beetween Aux or Monitor page, and remeber who is going to the bus, who iis feeding the Main mix, who is on aux 3-4 etc etc ....
it's just because i would like to have everything as clean as possible in this environnement
and in a so nice Modular systeme like scope, i mean that a Mixer with more than 8 mono bus is missing
but like you said, it's always possible to find workaround with 2 or 3 different mixers connected together

[hubird]

Ok man, soiunds really good
I would reorganize the whole thing at a certain point, by recording the tracks with effects you are sure about (typical non reverb yet ER fx).
It's important to have all channels directly available in the end, I always tend to record audio as soon as possible.
Good saving of all stages in Scope and In your sequencer makes it always possible to jump back, specially if you get used to save exactly after a bounce.
Another thing is, make a habit of renaming your audiofiles before saving the song, preferrable from the audio pool, as it affects the harddisk.
Otherwise you have to think deeply when reloading an older version

y' all know that

[Gatam]

yes, i worked like that during a long time, but it's veryyyy time consuming ...
it's ok when i work on a song with 5 or 10 instruments
but with a whole orchestra (all strings /woodwinds /brass /percu with a lot of articulation and some solo instruments and synths) it's very hard to do middle bounce
i had wait so many years to work in real time, with no middle bounce
and now i can
and i don't know why these bounce avoid me to use less bus to create my space simulation
so even with middle bounce, i always need these 9 stereo bus
(or there is something i missunderstood in your answer )