Scope and Sonar

Webby · Post by **Webby** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:19 am

As I mentioned in an earlier thread I put together a new system, ASUS P5WD2-E with a 3.2 P4 and a gig of ram, XP Pro
Running Cubase SX2 the system is rock solid. So I decided to get with the times, jump ship and got Sonar 6, I like a lot of the features and at an excellent price point. Well nothing but a mightmare since trying to load Sonar last nite. Program wouldn't load complete. Tried reloading Sonar, tried reinstallin Windows. Now nothing works.
So I guess this weekend the cards come out, the drive reformated and a total re-install.
Now that I'm done crying, anyone have experience with Sonar and Scope?
Any thoughts or insite would be appreciated.

craighuddy · Post by **craighuddy** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:33 am

Using 6.2.1 here. Very Solid.
There have been users that have had issues though. Larry K is on here and he had a bunch of issues with Multi CPU engine and Scope . I have not seen any issues though. Sound like the MS C++ redistrib is getting hosed on your install. Not sure why that is. Have tried going from 6.0 ---6.2---6.2.1?

Stevil · Post by **Stevil** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:31 am

i been running sonar & scope for several years now.
2ghz P4 - 2gig ram. xp home, still using sonar 3. no install problems.

geoffd99 · Post by **geoffd99** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:13 pm

I have used Sonar all the versions through to a demo of 6, all fine, I have my dual processor switched off, I had to do that ages ago for my system (P4 3Ghz ASRock (I think!), 1gig RAM) (I have forgotten what it is offhand but I had to fiddle a bit to get it right)

Generally Sonar is fine so it will be problem with XP clashing with some sub set of it.

Hysteric · Post by **Hysteric** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:58 pm

I have Sonar 6.2.1 running ok, but did initially have problems getting everthing working. I pretty much had to start from scratch also, and installed all of the updated as previously suggested. Everything here is working fine now. Good Luck.

Webby · Post by **Webby** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:05 pm

Thanks for the replies

Like i said I'll be doing a total clean install this weekend and hope all will go well from there.
Will keep ya all updated as to how it goes

Again
Thanks
Bob

Webby · Post by **Webby** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:12 am

Again thanks for the replies.
Well I redid my system last nite, refomatted, reinstalled and all is well. The system is running rock solid and i'm a happy camper.
My question now for you Sonar users: what audio settings are you using in Sonar. There seem to be a lot of options and the manual really dosen't tell ya much. I basicly choose the ASIO drivers and went with the default settings. It seems to running smooth but if there are a few tweeks I could do that would be great.

Again thanks
Bob

geoffd99 · Post by **geoffd99** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:10 am

I use the default settings too. Has been fine, but I don't do a lot of live recording or overdubbing etc so have not been pushing it.

Stevil · Post by **Stevil** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:24 pm

speaking of sonar & scope... has the ASIO routing improved on the newer version of sonar? the 1L 1R 2L 2R mapping to 1 2 3 4 on the adat ins nonsence is really tedious.

craighuddy · Post by **craighuddy** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:05 pm

Stevil wrote:speaking of sonar & scope... has the ASIO routing improved on the newer version of sonar? the 1L 1R 2L 2R mapping to 1 2 3 4 on the adat ins nonsence is really tedious.

Yeah Sonar now lets you have "friendly Names" for all audio and midi I/O's
Call them what ever you want ..

Stevil · Post by **Stevil** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:42 am

Yeah Sonar now lets you have "friendly Names" for all audio and midi I/O's
Call them what ever you want ..

guess i'll have to stop dragging my feet on upgrading. thanks!

krizrox · Post by **krizrox** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:40 am

Don't get me started. Don't even get me started.

Actually, it's true, I am running 6.2.1 and it has been as close to perfect as can be expected except for the multi-processor thingy mentioned above. After weeks of headbanging, gnashing of teeth, calls to everyone including Cakewalk TS and even GaryB (!), I finally gave up trying and disabled multi-processor support in Sonar. Haven't had so much as a hiccup since. It was the only thing that cured all my problems.

The 7th circle of hell began when I rebuilt my PC from the ground up (using hardware suggestions posted by various PZ members). A brand new, fresh installation of WinXP Pro and Sonar 6.2 and Scope 4.5 produced so many crashes in Sonar I think you can still hear my cuss words floating above Boston somewhere.

Many people on the Cakewalk user forum have reported all sorts of problems with V6X. It's hard to tell if they are all related or not. Some users maintain their systems are rock stable (I have doubts about the validity of such responses especially when they are followed up with comments like "it only crashes every once in a while"). It's entirely possible that there is a magical combination of hardware and software that produces a truely sublime Sonar V6 user experience but I don't know what that is. Apparently, if such as state of mind exists, it doesn't involve Creamware products (at least with Sonar V6).

Let me state, V5 worked perfectly (except for, of course, the usual Sonar annoyances). That's with multi-processor support enabled by the way. And since then I have also acquired Samplitude Pro 9 and it also works fine with multi-processor support enabled.

Sadly, if you go to the Cakewalk forum and try explaining all this you will get shot down. The problem can't possibly be with Sonar. It must be Creamware's fault. Cake TS was of little help. Uninstalling and reinstalling (using a very convoluted uninstallation procedure) cured the constant crashing problem but I still had random pops and clicks until I disabled the multiprocessor support.

Anyway, misery loves company right? I hope anyone having problems with Sonar can find a solution but try disabling MP support as a last resort. It might help - it might not. But at least it's worth trying if you are running a MP system.

btw- I am trying as fast as I can to morph over to Samplitude. Generally speaking, it seems like a really nice program but I am finding the learning curve to be a bit... how shall I say... ridiculous? It's like learning a secret code or foreign language. I see words in English and yet they are so strangely knitted together I'm not sure if I understand what I am reading.

Here's just one tiny example: I was looking for a way to export WAV tracks out of Samplitude for sending to another studio. Logic would seem to dictate that that would be an "export" function right? I searched for about a half hour in the user manual and on-line help and there is an export function but it seems to have something to do with creating MP3 files and the like. Nothing to do with creating transportable WAV files. It seemed unfathomable to me that there wouldn't be a way to create a transportable collection of WAV files, all starting at time zero, so you could import them into another DAW. It took a trip to Magix's user forum to find out you can export WAV files but it's hidden under the "bounce" command. Yes. That's right. In order to export WAV files you have to "bounce" them out of Samplitude. Not export them. Apparently, it must be a language thing.

PS - thought I'd better add a postscript - I'm being a little funny about this as I hope you understood. The manual is as clear and understandable as any I suppose and I look forward to getting the program into production. Sam Pro has some really nice features and it hasn't crashed or hiccuped on me at all. I've been using Sonar for so long I keep trying to find similarities between the two programs and I'm finding there aren't that many - it's requiring me to learn a new way of thinking mostly. Something about teaching an old dog new tricks perhaps?

craighuddy · Post by **craighuddy** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:15 am

krizrox wrote: (I have doubts about the validity of such responses especially when they are followed up with comments like "it only crashes every once in a while"). [/size]

Not from me, no sence in calling us all liers Larry. Although there were alot of complaints about 6.2, 6.2.1 has basically been pretty good for most. The noise in the Cake forum about bugs and crashing has returned to it's normal level. Which as you know 99% of the time is pilot error or system setup, not unlike the PZ troubleshooting forums .

Glad you are getting along with Samp though. It's quite solid, although Sonar is here too with 50-100 tracks so what do I know

Maybe the latest samp would blow up on my box, gotta love computers.
Best of luck to ya!

CH

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:34 am

What about MIDI input latency? I just installed the demo and cannot seem to get this straightened out.

krizrox · Post by **krizrox** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:33 am

thought I'd post a follow up -

Sonar V7 fixed many of the heartaches I was experiencing so now I am sure that I wasn't hallucinating. There are still a few minor annoyances in V7 but Cake has done a fine job so far. I am pushing 150+ tracks of audio in Sonar which is pretty amazing actually. I have no real complaints anymore.

Sonar is a really good bang for the buck recording application. Cost of ownership is relatively low which makes it a perfect fit for someone like me.

7XL · Post by **7XL** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:32 pm

The new external effects insert is a godsend for Scope users. No more XTC mode.

geoffd99 · Post by **geoffd99** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:49 am

I have just got Sonar 7 and suddenly it is crackling on audio and soft synths. Sonar 6 was fine.

My PC in device manager says I have ACPI Multiprocessor PC; I thought that had been switched off, perhaps 'something' has set it back on.

How do I switch multiprocessor off? Since that might solve the S7 crackling.

Thanks

le_tigre · Post by **le_tigre** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:52 pm

7XL wrote:The new external effects insert is a godsend for Scope users. No more XTC mode.

Would you please elaborate on this? Can this be done in the box, or do you have to route through your audio interface to do it?

7XL · Post by **7XL** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:35 pm

le_tigre wrote:
7XL wrote:The new external effects insert is a godsend for Scope users. No more XTC mode.
Would you please elaborate on this? Can this be done in the box, or do you have to route through your audio interface to do it?

This is all done in the box. Just route your effects using the "External Insert", it will calculate the round trip latency and you're all set.

I've used it with my Creamware cards with great success. I've also used it ro route external effects and for re amping guitars through external effects and multiple amps.

le_tigre · Post by **le_tigre** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:34 am

7xl,

That's really cool - thanks! Does the insert work for both FX and synths?

Krizrox,

I know Samplitude finally added hardware latency compensation with a recent v9 update - would you please let us know if you can do the same thing?

Cheers, guys. My desktop will be about 4000 miles away from me for another year, but it's good to know that these developments are afoot.