you can let your breath out now...

craighuddy · Post by **craighuddy** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:08 pm

Well,
we need PCIe first coupled with OSX/ Vista drivers to even have a prayer of getting new users. I hope these are in the plans.

CH

ScofieldKid · Post by **ScofieldKid** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:38 pm

Frank, thanks for all the great years working on Creamware!

Holger and Juergen, congratulations, and thanks for continuing the support of this elegant platform. Continued success!

I can hardly wait for Musicmesse.

valis · Post by **valis** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:39 pm

I see a lot of agreement about PCIe here, but I suspect that the ones at the top (so to speak) will interpret the market success of usb2 & firewire devices as a sign that it's a good marketable direction to head. So...we should list some of the reasons why we think we'd prefer PCIe (technical and otherwise).

Personally, from using both proprietary firewire based protocols hooked to a PCI/PCIe card (RME, Scope, MOTU etc ALL use firewire chipsets in a proprietary way in some of their products) and comparing this to similar devices implemented on Firewire (compared my Multiface to the fireface400 for instance) the slot based solution seems to achieve better latency figures, higher stability and less overhead for the system overall (assuming proper engineering).

In fact the new PCIe based RME stuff seems poised to allow some rather insane i/o counts when paired with MADI or other high i/o connector types. When I think of that number of datastreams going at once it really makes me wonder if resynthesis on the fly & various granular/timestretching stuff couldn't be pushed much farther on a new Scope platform (ie, since STS5000 already implements it to a certain degree).

With PCIe 4 cards in a system is feasable without bus contention.

With PCIe you don't have to worry about having limited external storage or having to add in a PCIe/PCI based firewire solution just because your bandwidth is gone.

Oh, and some onboard ram like the original DP toolkit does seem like it would be ideal, especially since I can't imagine that the cards would require anything expensive.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:44 pm

exactly. the first point is the best. stability!
another one mentioned, price. a firewire box will be much more expensive....

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:20 pm

I say mend the software first.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:57 pm

mend is a little harsh..... some mending, some updating and some new innovations like that ole mackie-type automation would be great.....

phatbob · Post by **phatbob** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:13 am

If you take a look at the carrer oportunities in the InDSP website, you'll see they are looking for a MacOSX devlopper. To me this means two good things: We can expect to run Scope on Mac, and this exclude any sort of PCI card.

eric

cannonball · Post by **cannonball** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:43 am

hi
i know most people here prefer the scope environments, but
a revisited and better integration or XTC would be cool
and if done right a good marketin step,
most people want the creamware sound on the hand
the equation must be open sfp open audiosequencer
open the creamware vsti or vstfx in the sequencer without too much
tweak or workaround
at the end an easy easy use of creamwareplug or the dsppower in one click

Alesssandro

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:44 am

obviously, there won't be any pci cards anymore because of Mac but also because pcie limits are not that of the pci. That is why i have chosen a mobo (intel) that gives me 2 pci and 3 pcie x16 (intel D975XBX2) ! But who knows, may be they are aiming at eSATA or firewire ?

DSP ADD!CT · Post by **DSP ADD!CT** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:57 am

a good working xtc like option would deffinatly make it more excessible to new custimors. the sfp mode can be a lil scary with all the spaghetti wiring when you're a noob

Conqueror's Reign · Post by **Conqueror's Reign** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:10 am

my 2 cents

Support for control surfaces to work with Scope mixer's or creamware design their own control surface to work with the platform.

Better XTC mode

Vista Drivers

If possible or worth it, Linking a PCIe card with a PCI card, using a Stdm-like cable. PCIe being master to take advantage of its benifits and the older cards can just be Xtra DSP so you can keep the cards you have.

Post by **irrelevance** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:24 am

Conqueror's Reign wrote:my 2 cents

Support for control surfaces to work with Scope mixer's or creamware design their own control surface to work with the platform.

Better XTC mode

Vista Drivers

If possible or worth it, Linking a PCIe card with a PCI card, using a Stdm-like cable. PCIe being master to take advantage of its benifits and the older cards can just be Xtra DSP so you can keep the cards you have.

An stdm like cable is a great idea but I would have thought that there need to be some kind of reclocking to synchronise the data as the pcie would be running alot faster, thus the benifit might be lost.

XTC could be made better by allowing project configuration while the host is running but mabye keeping the asio i/o locked. To have mixers that load in a vsti shell would be more user freindly. Then again(thinking aloud here) XTC shouldn't have to be configured at all, it should work "out of the box" so to speak.

moxi · Post by **moxi** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:02 am

and maybe a better support, so you can reply to all your customers, even if they just own a 3 dsp card...It's borring to wait two month for an answer then to be obliged to give the malfunctionning card to a local repair service that charge you a lot for a card that is always under garanty....

Stickman · Post by **Stickman** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:58 am

OK, I know I keep on about it, but I'd like to see some new ASB's - PPG, Prophet VS, OB8 etc. Please can someone put our minds at rest and assure us that more ASB's are planned?

Hysteric · Post by **Hysteric** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:28 am

What's that glaring light.... up there at the end of the tunnel... what’s that...... the future... THE FUTURE ah

Excellent.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:50 am

ahh, it's not 5 minutes since the announcement and we have 3 pages of speculations on new hardware. It's so boring. Give the guys a break, they'll unleash new hardware when it's the right time :p

Best of luck to Sonic Core and inDSP

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:56 am

darkrezin wrote:ahh, it's not 5 minutes since the announcement and we have 3 pages of speculations on new hardware. It's so boring. Give the guys a break, they'll unleash new hardware when it's the right time :p

4?

At least it shows we're keen

I have a sneaking suspicion that whatever they come up with will be NOTHING like any of the speculations or wish lists in this thread

Post by **hubird** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:58 am

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes another year to see something really new on the shelves.

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:47 am

My only advice is that they don't spend all the money on R&D and manufacturing.

Save a third of the budget for marketing, otherwise they will be a tree falling in the forest again.

Budget for support personnel. Do not make this an afterthought.

There was never anything wrong with the product, it was just everything else that was not executed properly. A good product is simply not enough anymore, you need to tell people about it and then support it well.

That is all I have to say on the matter.

Good Luck with the new business.

Post by **hubird** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:54 am

good one.

(wasn't there another example lately of how important support/PR is?).