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Marshy, it's definitely not "safe", but the amount you'll come in contact with is one of the least traumatic damages done to you in a day. the radiation from your cell phone and the cancer viruses in the vaccines(!) are much more serious issues as is the original flu virus shipped all over the world in unprotected fedex packages(!). lead is toxic to the brain, but there is always some small amount present in the environment, and in fact, the body requires a very small amount.
ditto astro's comments. you are being over protective. the small amount of lead possibly contacted from that unit will not be the cause of your children's demise. also, every other electrical product in your home is made the same way, and was in your childhood. oh wait, that's why you are a worrier......
seriously, there are many more worthy crusades. the lead is really a problem for the workers who may hand solder those devices. they'll come in contact with much more lead, inhaled with flux from vapor while soldering(nasty), absorbed through the skin, and rubbed off hands onto food into the mouth and even through nose and ears from picking and scratching. this is much like your mining analogy. you are not the miner, they are.
ditto astro's comments. you are being over protective. the small amount of lead possibly contacted from that unit will not be the cause of your children's demise. also, every other electrical product in your home is made the same way, and was in your childhood. oh wait, that's why you are a worrier......
seriously, there are many more worthy crusades. the lead is really a problem for the workers who may hand solder those devices. they'll come in contact with much more lead, inhaled with flux from vapor while soldering(nasty), absorbed through the skin, and rubbed off hands onto food into the mouth and even through nose and ears from picking and scratching. this is much like your mining analogy. you are not the miner, they are.
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cords' wire is made of copper, not lead.
This also shows they are just protecting against every possible jerky lawyer you can think of in the future.
Yes, there may be a few molecules of lead on the outside of the cable when it leaves the factory...as the lawyer will proove once
No worries man
This also shows they are just protecting against every possible jerky lawyer you can think of in the future.
Yes, there may be a few molecules of lead on the outside of the cable when it leaves the factory...as the lawyer will proove once
No worries man
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no, the cord's not lead. that device is no more dangerous lead-wise as any of the other electronics in your home.
i'm not mocking you, except maybe brother to brother. eating well and having scruples is not a bad thing and should be the thing which saves you from the worst of possible horrors. i may find some of your concerns/stands misguided as far as the reality of life in the global empire(you really need to get rid of all of the builders' toys and ways to live right, but i wouldn't know how), but i can't fault you for your concerns, nor can i have anything but respect for your actions on those concerns.
i'm not mocking you, except maybe brother to brother. eating well and having scruples is not a bad thing and should be the thing which saves you from the worst of possible horrors. i may find some of your concerns/stands misguided as far as the reality of life in the global empire(you really need to get rid of all of the builders' toys and ways to live right, but i wouldn't know how), but i can't fault you for your concerns, nor can i have anything but respect for your actions on those concerns.
Ok - probably there "could" not be traces of lead on the cords. Probably there "is". But ... it doesn't matter. If you've got OCD, you also know (likely more in an intellectual way than in an emotional way - but you have to make do with that), that you tend to over emphasize details. Leave them - it is not the details, that kills you ... it is the worrying over the details that truely kills your life energies - you livelines, and your spontaneity. I know, that I am talking to your brain now. Sometimes some of us have to let the sensible part of our brain rule - even though the emotional part tells us something else.
"I know there are alternatives to petrol run cars but they are too expensive or not really feasible yet), better agricultural methods employed and smoking in public places abolished (to name a few), I'll be a happy man and probably less compulsive obsessive. Oh, and throw in world peace as well."
Or you would find something else to be worried about - already now, you worry over a harmless cable. Listen, this "warning" is only there, because some countries have truely fucked up law systems, where if your neighbour leaves the garbage outside his door (true story comming up here), and you get anoyed about it, and he comes to your door to talk it over, then you can walk into your house, pick up your gun, walk back to the door and shoot him in "self defense" ... and noone will sue you. But if you make a product, that one in a million might have allergic reactions towards, then you better hope they don't have expesive lawiers, or you will get to pay BIG time ... or you write scarry shit in the manual. Really, it is down to that, and if you still worry, then it is a shame, because in that case, you truely lack a filter (OCD insufficience) and boost little things to poster size. Again, talking to your intellectual side here, take care not to destroy your life too much with letting the worrying rule you actions.
"I know there are alternatives to petrol run cars but they are too expensive or not really feasible yet), better agricultural methods employed and smoking in public places abolished (to name a few), I'll be a happy man and probably less compulsive obsessive. Oh, and throw in world peace as well."
Or you would find something else to be worried about - already now, you worry over a harmless cable. Listen, this "warning" is only there, because some countries have truely fucked up law systems, where if your neighbour leaves the garbage outside his door (true story comming up here), and you get anoyed about it, and he comes to your door to talk it over, then you can walk into your house, pick up your gun, walk back to the door and shoot him in "self defense" ... and noone will sue you. But if you make a product, that one in a million might have allergic reactions towards, then you better hope they don't have expesive lawiers, or you will get to pay BIG time ... or you write scarry shit in the manual. Really, it is down to that, and if you still worry, then it is a shame, because in that case, you truely lack a filter (OCD insufficience) and boost little things to poster size. Again, talking to your intellectual side here, take care not to destroy your life too much with letting the worrying rule you actions.
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i had a read-up on the issue at wikipedia.com, and suggest you do the same.
Have a look at the "health effects" paragraph ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead#Health_effects ).
Its interesting to see how this warning in your booklet referst to "the state of california", when you read what happened there in 2004.
In my humble opinion, everything might kill you if you have too much of it. The amount of led on an audiocard (EMU or Creamware for that matter) is not a danger to neither you or your children as long as you dont grind it up and use it as a sweetener for your organic tea.
And, as with any other thing, as long as you wash your hands your fine.
Have a look at the "health effects" paragraph ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead#Health_effects ).
Its interesting to see how this warning in your booklet referst to "the state of california", when you read what happened there in 2004.
In my humble opinion, everything might kill you if you have too much of it. The amount of led on an audiocard (EMU or Creamware for that matter) is not a danger to neither you or your children as long as you dont grind it up and use it as a sweetener for your organic tea.
And, as with any other thing, as long as you wash your hands your fine.
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Dentists have been using amalgam to fill the holes in peoples teeth for many many years. I hate to think how much mecury is floating round in the systems of those people, but there aren't many cases of mecury poisoning. In fact most seem to believe that amalgam is safe!! Rohs wii most likelyhelp to protect the employer not the employee or even the end user.
You CAN do that if you want to & if your house/property can accomodate the filter. ... Oh, you'll also need about $700 to buy the filter + the cost of fitting by a plumber (add another $150 - $200 at least). Total cost - close to $1000.Atomic Marshmallow wrote:If only there was a way to do the same with the shower/bath water too.
Check these out >>> http://www.waterfiltersupply.com/wholeh ... lters.html
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read carefully - they say it reduces lead, but not to which degree... 
on the other hand the highly microbe free water is what will kill you in the end.
this also applies to kids growing up in a similiar clean environment, as mother kept the toilet, bathroom, kitchen floor etc almost sterile...
it's not heart attack or cancer threatening human health in the first place - it's plain old sepsis, and the surrender to those bacteria we nurtured ourselvs by ridiculous application of antibiotics...
cheers, Tom
(except the first sentence I don't refer to AMM)
on the other hand the highly microbe free water is what will kill you in the end.
this also applies to kids growing up in a similiar clean environment, as mother kept the toilet, bathroom, kitchen floor etc almost sterile...
it's not heart attack or cancer threatening human health in the first place - it's plain old sepsis, and the surrender to those bacteria we nurtured ourselvs by ridiculous application of antibiotics...
cheers, Tom
(except the first sentence I don't refer to AMM)