Deleted

Please remember the terms of your membership agreement.

Moderators: valis, garyb

Atomic Marshmallow
Posts: 181
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:00 pm

Deleted

Post by Atomic Marshmallow »

Deleted
Last edited by Atomic Marshmallow on Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:16 pm, edited 2 times in total.
User avatar
Shroomz~>
Posts: 5669
Joined: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:00 pm
Location: The Blue Shadows

Post by Shroomz~> »

It's just a legal get out because of certain laws for them to include that. Even if there is lead in the cables, there's very little chance of it actually being dangerous in the context. Personally I'd be much more worried about giving kids mobile phones & other radioactive objects.
Atomic Marshmallow
Posts: 181
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:00 pm

Post by Atomic Marshmallow »

Deleted.
Last edited by Atomic Marshmallow on Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Shroomz~>
Posts: 5669
Joined: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:00 pm
Location: The Blue Shadows

Post by Shroomz~> »

Yes, I'm sure it's ok. It's just bullshit rules/laws & paperwork at the end of the day. Tony Allgood, the creator of the Oakley Sound modular had this problem with his pcbs. He essentially, was unable to continue producing pcbs for his modular system simply because of some new BS laws that were brought in regarding use of pcbs containing lead solder. Not a problem for the US, so production of his modular continues from a US company :D

GREAT sounding modular btw !!!!!!!
hubird

Post by hubird »

everybody on planetz would already have been dead if the thread would be serious :-D
I think indeed it's just a -typical American- law thing, to be sure to avoid any possible legal charge in the far future even.
User avatar
garyb
Moderator
Posts: 23380
Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2001 4:00 pm
Location: ghetto by the sea

Post by garyb »

it's because of the lead in the solder. you can't really come in contact with it without opening the unit. it's just letting you know there's lead solder in there....
Immanuel
Posts: 3018
Joined: Thu Oct 25, 2001 4:00 pm
Location: Aalborg, Denmark

Post by Immanuel »

There was once a chain saw in Sweeden, where the manual told you not to stop the chain with your hands!!! One thing I actually like with Danish laws is, that if you act really stupid and in that sense are the action of your own missery, then you can not get a million dollars as a compensation, because ie. your cat died when you tried to dry it in the micro wave owen. I mean who can take warnings seriously, when you almost get a manual for your new shirt telling you, that the shirt might get dirty, if you walk bellow shitting birds? :o :lol:
emzee
Posts: 668
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:00 pm
Location: the top

Post by emzee »

ROHS compliance .... Occupational Health and Safety .... Next step is lead-free solder ....
Aries
Posts: 183
Joined: Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:00 pm

Post by Aries »

emzee wrote:Next step is lead-free solder ....
Yes , lead-free solder has been out for a while, I got some a few years ago.
User avatar
astroman
Posts: 8455
Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2002 4:00 pm
Location: Germany

Post by astroman »

right, but the purpose of lead free solder is to prevent contaminating the environment when tons of old electronics get disposed of.
Under normal conditions it is bound in the 'metal-mixture' and touching it would result in almost unmeasurable low 'transfer doses' into the body.

probably much less than airflow in a living room would set free (by abrasion) from lead used as a weight to keep curtains 'neatly' (dunno if that habit still exists, tho...)

or eating prey brought down with a shot gun... btw the southern France region Carmague is totally lead polluted by 'hobby-shooters'... what doesn't hit the target falls down into the water entering the base of the food chain, so to say...

cheers, Tom
Atomic Marshmallow
Posts: 181
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:00 pm

Post by Atomic Marshmallow »

Deleted.
Last edited by Atomic Marshmallow on Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.
hubird

Post by hubird »

In almost every song a have a lead synth, and I'm still feeling fine.
User avatar
katano
Posts: 1438
Joined: Mon Jan 20, 2003 4:00 pm
Location: Zurich, Switzerland

Post by katano »

:D :D :D
User avatar
astroman
Posts: 8455
Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2002 4:00 pm
Location: Germany

Post by astroman »

Atomic Marshmallow wrote:... I am not just concerned about my kids but also ME. I handle cables all the time, cook meals, hold my kids etc...
I am getting paranoid again!!!! ...
As Shroomz already pointed out the one and only purpose of the print is to protect EMU from lawyers filing ridiculous cases.

There may be one in a million who is highly allergic to lead, connects a cable to the 202, scratches his finger on the procedure, accidently touches a solder joint with the small 'wound' and dies from anaphylactic shock. The bereaved sue Emu that there was no hint about the potentially dangerous substance :roll:

It's more likely that you'll win the jackpot of your country's lottery 2 times in a row than this sequence of events will strike.
And there's a ton of things in everyday life that is more threatening than lead from cable joints... if you're sensitive (or concerned) about these points, first rule is always don't panic !

get informed, know about the dangers (you can't avoid them anyway, not even in the most rural environments).
do something to improve the physical condition of your body - by activities and good(!) food - have fun - otherwise it's all in vain ;)
don't protect the kids too much, they'll probably need even more resistance than we do, as conditions continue to get worse...

my 2 cent, Tom
Immanuel
Posts: 3018
Joined: Thu Oct 25, 2001 4:00 pm
Location: Aalborg, Denmark

Post by Immanuel »

There are other factors giving you much more lead than this. In Denmark, 9% of the anual lead polution is considered to come new years eve fireworks. Staying outside in those hours of that day makes you breathe in a lot of lead.

Cars emit lead in the air too. In the major Danish "citys", the dirt/earth/ground contains so much lead, that some people warn about having children play with it.

Fish - especially fish that live close to the buttom of the sea/ocean - contain high dosages of heavy metal. Women who wants to get pregnant are warned about eating too much "deep swimming" fish.

Canned food may also in some circumstances be made with metal of poor quality - possibly containing traces lead (I am less sure about this one, but it makes sense to me)

Your sound card? I wouldn't worry.

... and as Tom said - the kids will need freedom to do somewhat potentially dangerous things. I know a woman, who works with "families with problems". She says the big majority of those families are with parrents, who where above 32 years old, when they got their first child ... the reason being, that we tend to worry and "protect" more, as we get older, thus, not letting the kids learn consequenses of their actions by trial and error - wich again affects other aspects of the personality.
User avatar
astroman
Posts: 8455
Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2002 4:00 pm
Location: Germany

Post by astroman »

yeah, but don't mistake me for giving advice on kids education - I wouldn't dare to, for various reasons... :D
I meant (in a more general context) to be exhibited to 'uncomfortable' climate extremes, dirt, physically demanding activities - all that builds up the body's own resistance capabilities.

Coming back to the warning on the card's package - skin indeed can transfer lots of stuff into your body...
so what about shampoos, showergels etc, colors of clothes, substances to make them more wearable, laundry substances, polluted food from agricultural industry plants, chemically treated wood, occasionally even used in fireplaces (dioxin), the list could be extended the longer you think about it...
that's where your intoxination risks are typically today - and most of it isn't even noticed.
at least I find it extremely strange that 25% of the employes in the company I work for, suffer from fairly heavy allergies.

cheers, Tom
Immanuel
Posts: 3018
Joined: Thu Oct 25, 2001 4:00 pm
Location: Aalborg, Denmark

Post by Immanuel »

...
Last edited by Immanuel on Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Immanuel
Posts: 3018
Joined: Thu Oct 25, 2001 4:00 pm
Location: Aalborg, Denmark

Post by Immanuel »

I have it, so I can see the water comming out of my laundry machine. Most clothes actually still colour the water after several washes with extra rinse. All it seams to take is water (and maybe heat close to body temperature), and then you have colour comming of the clothes. So what happens, when it rains, or when you sweat? Have you ever tried taking of a t-shirt after some physical excersice/work, and then your skin has a thin black layer or coloured sweet (if the t-shirt was black). And yes, the body does absorb a lot of stuff. A lot of what we let out in the nature, we let into ourselves too ... in so many ways.
husker
Posts: 372
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:00 pm
Location: wellington.newzealand

Post by husker »

Of course, to stop the colour running you need even more exciting chemicals added...you can never win :P
User avatar
BingoTheClowno
Posts: 1722
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:00 pm
Location: Chicago
Contact:

Post by BingoTheClowno »

What is RoHS?

The RoHS Directive stands for "the restriction of the use of certain hazardous substances in electrical and electronic equipment". This Directive bans the placing on the EU market of new electrical and electronic equipment containing more than agreed levels of lead, cadmium, mercury, hexavalent chromium, polybrominated biphenyl (PBB) and polybrominated diphenyl ether (PBDE) flame retardants.

Manufacturers need to understand the requirements of the RoHS Directive to ensure that their products, and their components, comply.

http://www.rohs.gov.uk/
Europe Enters 'Age of Lead-free Electronics'

....RoHS officially takes effect on July 1, 2006, and details the prohibition and reduction of certain materials in certain products (such as lead, mercury, cadmium, and flame-retardant plastics). WEEE starts on August 13, 2005, and addresses the retrieval and recycling of electric and electronic devices. It will be necessary to declare the material content of a product. The intent of WEEE is to achieve a recycling target goal of 4 kg per person each year, no later than December 31, 2006.

http://cs.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_ ... _ID=216207

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoHS
Post Reply