What are the odds of Vista drivers appearing?

jbraner · Post by **jbraner** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:03 am

Hi,

Has anyone heard anything to give us any hope that there may be Vista drivers for our Scope aka Luna/Pulsar cards?

Post by **garyb** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:52 am

at the moment, the odds are good(unnofficially and based on what i've heard).

jbraner · Post by **jbraner** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:54 am

garyb,

Thanks for replying. That is very good news indeed!

Post by **garyb** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:48 am

yes, it is for the future usefullness of the cards where new machines are concerned. at the moment, however, there is NO advantage to using vista(or xp64) in any machine!

jbraner · Post by **jbraner** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:18 am

I agree with you - but when thinking long term, we have to think about which hardware/software/plugins will work when we eventually upgrade to Vista (I'm sure it will happen at some point).

rgds,

frokka · Post by **frokka** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:59 am

garyb wrote:yes, it is for the future usefullness of the cards where new machines are concerned. at the moment, however, there is NO advantage to using vista(or xp64) in any machine!

That's not true, with a 64-system you can go beyond the 3 GB pr. app / 4 GB total physical memory limit in XP /32 bits.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:28 am

Greed,...................It's Man's Purest Emotion.

Post by **garyb** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:54 pm

frokka wrote:
garyb wrote:yes, it is for the future usefullness of the cards where new machines are concerned. at the moment, however, there is NO advantage to using vista(or xp64) in any machine!
That's not true, with a 64-system you can go beyond the 3 GB pr. app / 4 GB total physical memory limit in XP /32 bits.

so what?
1. no app can use that at the moment.
2. vista uses a gig itself. it's a much heavier app. at least at first, all of the hardware gains are eaten by software innefficiency.

there's a big difference between sales hype and real world. eventually, the new system will be the only choice and that's fine. we'll deal with that situation when it developes.

frokka · Post by **frokka** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:53 am

garyb wrote: 1. no app can use that at the moment.

Again, not true.
http://www.microsoft.com/winme/0602/271 ... lk_MBR.asx
http://www.gearwire.com/cakewalk-sonar-5-producer.html

garyb wrote: 2. vista uses a gig itself. it's a much heavier app. at least at first, all of the hardware gains are eaten by software innefficiency.

Even so, there are benefits to be found in the increased memory capability. Don't forget that some people already have machines with more than 4 GB ram. Furthermore, for those who work with large sample libraries, like Hollywood composers and such, the 64 bit environment is close to a revolution. At the least, it drastically reduces the need for server farms - making it much easier for lower-budget composers to work on complex projects.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:57 am

ok, i won't argue about what cakewalk can actually do. they really can use massive amouts of memory? maybe, but why? sonar works jsut fine on xp with 2gb. they are the same guys who tried to convince you that wdm and dx was far superior to asio and vst. these guys have always been little more than shills for m$. hey, i know, why not optimize the current code? it's no where near 100%. so now there's new bugs.

as to large sample libraries, agreed, but a pretty insignificant part of the market. balance that out with drm and there's a bad smell.

still, use what works best. i have my opinion and that can change quickly when reality changes. soon, as i said, the 64bit os will likely be the only choice. i'll certainly love it then.........

jbraner · Post by **jbraner** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:03 am

And most importantly, we'll hopefully be able to use our CreamWare cards

Post by **garyb** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:05 am

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:55 pm

Gary, you said there is no Advantage to Vista:

What about Windows ReadyBoost? Also Windows Vista natively supports a new generation of hybrid hard drives coming soon "ReadyDrive". This will give a "significant* boost in hard drive performance. I would urge anyone to use Vista who is getting a new computer. Even with an older computer I would turn the glass feature etc.. off and gladly use it.

I guess Gary prefers Windows 3.1 over Windows 95 and Windows 98 over XP.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:12 pm

It took Apple 5 years to get OSX mature (called Tiger).
I'm sure Planetz will be floaded for years (!) by''Vista' posts, describing terrible problems.
I put my cards on Gary and others, warning for too early victory cries...!

Post by **garyb** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:07 pm

call me when they figure it all out. i'll spend my money then. i'm not impressed.

i'm not against progress, but i don't think that new will automatically solve my problems either. i do like the improvements in computer technology since i got my first pulsar1 and amd 550mhz with the via chipset, but the real gains have been in stability and graphic quality. the audio portion hasn't changed, really. i can still do pretty much the same stuff, maybe a little more now.

when building a new machine, i use new parts and it's great. to upgrade at this point to the very latest os and hardware would be wasteful. i'd gain nothing as an audio engineer or as a musician, only as a computer geek. i got into computers to assist me with audio for music, not to have orgasms about potential machine thrills that have no current usefullness to music. even if there may be usefullness from such "cutting edge"(read: more ways to get your money and make you buy something new instead of extend the already good thing you have, but that's another subject, you know, the real intentions of the industry), if it comes at a price that is higher than the more high-end, more traditional, tested, functional gear, then so what?

yes, the idea's great. wake me when they finish it. i have something that works fine. none of you needs better if you have any musical talent, skills or ideas.(my opinion, of course, and also, i'm very happy for you if you have or get better!) the current stuff is better than most big-time studios used just 20years ago, for about 1% of the price! vista doesn't matter. when it is the main os(very soon, most likely), it'll be time to work with it and that'll be fine. i hope some of these issues like mandatory driver signing and DRM are figured out by then, otherwise, i'll be happy to stay with xp. it works fine, why should i care? why to i need a new tool when the old one ain't broke?

DSP ADD!CT · Post by **DSP ADD!CT** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:41 pm

word!

better wait till vista is fully tested with audio appz.
just bought a new pc but im gonna stick with xp for now.
my 16mb sata2 drives will do just fine

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:22 pm

another one from the attic (skip if it bores you...)

when M$ eventually released Win 3.1 I couldn't trust my eyes
they had read 'Inside Macintosh' (the Apple system programming blurb etc)
like I had - and a bit more (as they were developing commercial stuff for Apple)
which I hadn't
the had more of everything, from cash to sophisticated dudes - they were late and had the possibility to 'adapt' the smart features and improve the 'not so brilliant' parts of MacOS - but still they came out with that pile of crap ?

it just didn't make any sense, back then...

today it does: Win 3.1 Win95, Win98, WinNT, Win2K, Win XP, WinXP64, Win Vista...
opposed to MacOS 6 to 8, MacOS9, MacOSX

M$ will NEVER release a final product, as long as the cash cow lives, the y will not even attempt to come close....

use whatever you like, but only really stupid white men would believe in a marketing department of that calibre (unless you've invested in their stocks ...)

cheers, Tom

Music Manic · Post by **Music Manic** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:53 pm

What's wrong with XP guys?

Post by **garyb** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:11 am

nothing.

DSP ADD!CT · Post by **DSP ADD!CT** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:26 am