MMT-8

rolo · Post by **rolo** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:24 pm

This is cool !Check out the new software version of the MMT-8 in beta still but looks great and its free
http://www.comp.utas.edu.au/projects-sb ... index.html And get the sotware here http://sourceforge.net/projects/vimmer

Lima · Post by **Lima** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:20 am

Really interesting, expecially for two reasons:
It's the first time I see an emulation of a vintage tool rather than of a synth or an effect. This is a way original and maybe opens a way to a new kind of emulations IMO.
The second is that they give infos about the tools used to make their code and this is a great resource.

Thanks

rolo · Post by **rolo** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:34 pm

I think its aimed at the hardware user mmt-8 will not be around for ever in the hardware form this will preserve it forever I just bought one of ebay last week after opening the box I had to leave it in the garage because it smelled so bad!

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:42 pm

Not everything in the past was better. I think of this as a giant step backwards. Why would we want less features? It would be better to invent a new way than just to copy an old one. Are we listening Creamware?

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:02 pm

I'm not sure if I like the hardware interface, but it's still an interesting movement. I doubt the question is whether this device will be useful, or break new grounds. I see it as an interesting way to perserve a style of composing / workflow that came as a result of the tiny displays and bulky buttons. I thinks it's more of a digital way of packing all that into an accessible, non-corrosive format.

It's like the trackers. Fruity loops and orion and maybe some other I don't know about, packed it in its own way, and the tracker method of composing still lives on. It's obviously harder to use than a sequencer with a good gui to do certain things, but trackers excel at other things. And I also believe the tracker's specific interface and functionality gave rise to new ideas that only would have come naturally if you sat in front of a tracker program.

I'm not sure if this sequencer box is such breakthrough material, but it'll be interesting to see what kids who grew up on VSTis and robust sequencers would o with it.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:13 pm

It's a hardware sequencer for people who like that kind of thing. I guess it comes down to people who like to play things live, and those who don't. Of course you can't edit things easily on a hardware seq.. but if your playing is good enough that's not an issue.

It's also nicer dealing with set features with dedicated buttons even if it limits the features at your disposal - using a software sequencer can be one of the most fiddly ways of working - lots of finding tiny icons and buttons with a mouse, losing window focus etc. If you just want to get on and play stuff this isn't great.

Also with a software sequencer there is too much reliance on visual stimulus - you get sucked into the grid too easily...

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:24 pm

Oh save us from ourselves. We can not control our urges so force to by not giving us any choices.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:51 am

braincell wrote:Oh save us from ourselves. We can not control our urges so force to by not giving us any choices.

Who's forcing anyone to do anything? We're all free to choose what we want to use, and get on with using it.

valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:10 am

darkrezin wrote:
braincell wrote:Oh save us from ourselves. We can not control our urges so force to by not giving us any choices.
Who's forcing anyone to do anything? We're all free to choose what we want to use, and get on with using it.

Besides, it's kind of funny to use sarcasm like that, dismissing a choice (the software emulation) on one hand then defending having 'more choice' on the other.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:34 am

Indeed. I just realised I wrote 'a hardware seq' instead of 'an emulation of a hardware seq'. My point still stands. Limitations for the sake of immediate and intuitive usability can be a good thing. Back when we didn't have the ability to tweak and manipulate to death, people still made great music. What's wrong with wanting to get some of that feeling back? Why does everything have to revolve around plugins and multi-window fiddly tweakers environments?

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:51 pm

Yes and no... there's many approaches one can take with software. Taking over the machine in a full-screen mode with keyboard commands or MIDI remote control for buttons could maybe approach the dedicated feel of hardware.

valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:05 pm

I'm not sure if it was clear, but I was in agreement with you darkrezin, and poking fun at braincell's dismissal of the emulation. While this emulation wouldn't be my choice for a primary tool since it definately is eclipsed by modern software, I can see the usefulness of it in the same manner that Eno's Oblique Strategies deck is useful.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:06 pm

I know Valis

valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:21 pm

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:20 am

This product is the result of someone who wanted to make some music software but has a total lack of imagination like 99% of all the software developers. If you like it, Alesis should get the credit not someone who rips them off. This is a worthless piece of crap and I can not imagine why anyone would buy it. If you want to play sequenced music live (by the way it is very exciting to watch people push buttons on a stage), then Ableton would be the obvious choice.

valis wrote:I'm not sure if it was clear, but I was in agreement with you darkrezin, and poking fun at braincell's dismissal of the emulation. While this emulation wouldn't be my choice for a primary tool since it definately is eclipsed by modern software, I can see the usefulness of it in the same manner that Eno's Oblique Strategies deck is useful.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:04 am

braincell wrote:This product is the result of someone who wanted to make some music software but has a total lack of imagination like 99% of all the software developers. If you like it, Alesis should get the credit not someone who rips them off. This is a worthless piece of crap and I can not imagine why anyone would buy it. If you want to play sequenced music live (by the way it is very exciting to watch people push buttons on a stage), then Ableton would be the obvious choice.

Firstly, nobody has to buy it. It's a beta version & is released freely under a GPL licence!! The creator has also released the source code which allows others to either improve on the code or to implement either all or part of the code in their own application (under the conditions of the GPL licence) Also, it's not a rip off of the original Alesis product, it's a software emulation of it designed to run standalone or alongside it for users of the original. (we have some of those on Scope too, like VDAT)

It can send & recieve sysex dumps to/from the original as well, so for any users of the MMT-8, it might be pretty handy. Who knows what it might inspire either it's maker/s or other developers to create!! That's one of the beauties of GPL licenced software:- It can be improved, built on, learnt from etc. Not exactly a worthless piece of crap imo anyway.

Next thing we'll get "the ditch all your hardware & go purely software" rubbish. Yeh, righty ho. That would be a really smart move.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:05 am

@ braincell

blimey... why don't you just let them have their fun and sit back comfortably in your smugly superior and futuristic, forward-thinking methods?

Haemorrhoids playing up today or something?

rolo · Post by **rolo** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:41 am

[quote="braincell"]This product is the result of someone who wanted to make some music software but has a total lack of imagination like 99% of all the software developers. If you like it, Alesis should get the credit not someone who rips them off. This is a worthless piece of crap and I can not imagine why anyone would buy it. If you want to play sequenced music live (by the way it is very exciting to watch people push buttons on a stage), then Ableton would be the obvious choice.

So Creamware has a total lack of imagination whats minimax,B2003,Profit-5 are they all rip offs or have they a total lack of imagination I dont think so developers have taken old hardware into the next plane of existance a studio the size of red square can now fit in a small computer. Rip offs or someone imporving on old tested ideas?

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:43 am

darkrezin wrote:Haemorrhoids

I'd have trouble spelling that word even on a good spell day.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:51 am

YES! They get an A for sound quality and an F for imagination. It has to sound good it doesn't have to function in an identical way, they even look the same for gods sake. WTF is that??? That is just stupid if you ask me.

So Creamware has a total lack of imagination whats minimax,B2003,Profit-5 are they all rip offs or have they a total lack of imagination I dont think so developers have taken old hardware into the next plane of existance a studio the size of red square can now fit in a small computer. Rip offs or someone imporving on old tested ideas?[/quote]

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