Flexor II Module Expectations

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:25 am

What I would like to get is a phase distortion oscillator in the spirit of the CASIO CZ series 80s synthesizer.

http://www.cosmosynthesizer.de/

This would be a PWM for oscillators running also non rectangular waveforms:
- from sawtooth to inverted sawtooth on a triangle waveform
- from smoothed sawtooth to inverted smoothed sawtooth for sine waveform
- I let you imagine what could be achieved with other waveform ...

Cheerzzz

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:42 am

Red, maybe would it be possible to have just one simple OSC & one LFO with multiple shape outs like a multi-square with 3 square shapes:- square, sub1 & sub2. I know it's possible to do this aleady using multiple modules, but having those 3 octaves of square wave spewing out of one module would be killer

I know you said combined modules are off the table, but a couple of true stereo filters would be a very welcome addition.

About the text entries. I suppose the main parameters are enough. I just find it annoying that the stock CW OSCs for example, don't allow accurate setting of say, fine tune values from the module itself.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:02 am

I take it that OSCs with integrated additive synthesis aren't possible?

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:28 am

On 2006-09-02 04:23, ReD_MuZe wrote:
j9k made a quite handy 8 X 8 mixer matrix with bipolar knobs but it eats some DSP, I wonder if DSP load could be reduced ... or a 4 X 4, 6 X 6 made.
you got it!

how about:-
2x4, 2x6, 2x8, 2x16
3x4, 3x6, 3x8, 3x16
4x4, 4x6, 4x8, 4x16 versions etc? Too much?

decimator · Post by **decimator** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:28 am

Reply in " as it comes " mode

I think it would be an overkill of matrix ... 4 X 4 and 8 X 8 should cover most needs : you can plug 2 ins and have 8 possible mix in a 8 X 8 matrix.

For additive synthesis, I think you could make a one block 8 sine osc partial with modulation on each partial ratio : gain of space + the modulation on partial that would make it more interesting.
I loaded 8 individually ( what a drag ! ) and it doesn't eat much DSP at all.

Otherwise :

Sorry for the Gfx button, I missed some : well everywhere where there's a possible pattern sweeping ( hyper controller / displacer / hyper note seq / hyper gate )

The sample delay mod : yes it crackles BUT it depends at what speed it's swept and in certain condition it's unheard ... I think the benefits far outweight the negative so please ( or should I do the Shrek 2 cat ?

)

The Track & Hold : well if it's a LFO, during one stage it goes through then on next it's sample and hold till next stage where it goes through again ... of course with a pulse : no interest !

For the bi-phase or tri-phase LFO it's in fact the already existing bi-phase with more controls, it crackles when hand modulated as well but depending on conditions it's unnoticeable.

The Freq multiply mod is just the Freq multiply module with mod ( not vital but )

As for the CV / audio mixer thanks for doing it ! I hope it comes in 4 and 8 inputs flavors ! I was thinking further : it could have individual outputs as well of the mix output like a LFO ( In 1 ) modulated by an amount of another LFO then output indivually ( Out 1 )

I understand that multipurpose module are not DSP friendly however when you want to change the wiring, you have to rename the patch and start new presets in a multipurpose you have more room, well maybe for next card ...

Comb was mentioned so I wonder if you have plans to make a kind of Phil concept with multicomb down to sample with feedback ( like Absynth ) and big messing with delays like you did at Orbitone or like the Ohmforce crew did with their early effects ?

Anyway thanks for all that has been done / granted !

Seems promising ...

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:29 pm

A flux-capacitor

ReD_MuZe · Post by **ReD_MuZe** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:01 pm

New sampler-modules would be great

cant promise anything but im working on it...

What I would like to get is a phase distortion oscillator in the spirit of the CASIO CZ series 80s synthesizer.

will do some research

I take it that OSCs with integrated additive synthesis aren't possible?

you take wrong

... you got it!
(actualy it SAVES dsp in this case!)

how about:-
2x4, 2x6, 2x8, 2x16
3x4, 3x6, 3x8, 3x16
4x4, 4x6, 4x8, 4x16 versions etc? Too much?

*cought*yes*cough*

Sorry for the Gfx button, I missed some : well everywhere where there's a possible pattern sweeping ( hyper controller / displacer / hyper note seq / hyper gate )

as of flexor1.5 wherever there is controllable gfx and animation you can hide it.

The sample delay mod : yes it crackles BUT it depends at what speed it's swept and in certain condition it's unheard ... I think the benefits far outweight the negative so please ( or should I do the Shrek 2 cat ? )

this is only true for the dsp delays (which are max 41 ms. the pc delays crackle like hell...

The Track & Hold : well if it's a LFO, during one stage it goes through then on next it's sample and hold till next stage where it goes through again ... of course with a pulse : no interest !

so if its just an LFO with a SnH, its just more module combining....

For the bi-phase or tri-phase LFO it's in fact the already existing bi-phase with more controls, it crackles when hand modulated as well but depending on conditions it's unnoticeable.

you can use NBL phase mod with sine shapers.

The Freq multiply mod is just the Freq multiply module with mod ( not vital but )

frequency multiplication is basicaly transposition. the pitch modulation modules are just that. (check pitch modulation C)_

Comb was mentioned so I wonder if you have plans to make a kind of Phil concept with multicomb down to sample with feedback ( like Absynth ) and big messing with delays like you did at Orbitone or like the Ohmforce crew did with their early effects ?

im not 100% sure what you mean, but flexor2 will have several comb filters. and much more new filters of new type.

A flux-capacitor

well i built one but now im stuck on a loop where i go back to the day befor i built it and have to start over, and over.... help!

decimator · Post by **decimator** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:37 am

Well for the sample delay if you modulate fast, it will crackle like hell but not on a small range of samples and low speed modulation ( in the Hz or so range ) : say if you mix 1 : 1 a sample delay inverted waveform ( non sine ) with itself you start with nothing ( total cancellation ) at 0 then when you rise slowly you have a new waveform forming.

Works as well with mixing a non inverted waveform, also useful in FM for new timbres and certainly other uses.

Comb was mentioned so I wonder if you have plans to make a kind of Phil concept with multicomb down to sample with feedback ( like Absynth ) and big messing with delays like you did at Orbitone or like the Ohmforce crew did with their early effects ?

I meant a device like Phil or Grainmiller with many things that can be done with delays and more a little like Warp 69 CD -100 or Ohmforce early FX with the Adern Touch.
Thinking again of the Absynth FX unit, without it Absynth is not that exciting

I hope there are some multi-stage envelope of some sort scheduled for Flexor 2 ?

HUROLURA, there are Cosmo oscillators in Vaz Modular though I have no idea how much they are faithful to the original but " knowing " the developper I guess they are relatively close.

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Ben Walker · Post by **Ben Walker** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:22 am

On 2006-09-02 15:29, Shroomz wrote:
A flux-capacitor

Yes, yes, yes, please can we have a flux capacitor! We'd need at least a one point twenty-one jigowatts one!

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:49 am

With such a device you could send your Flexor2 modular madness back in time to the days of Modular I, although there might be some lag

A modular version of 'kick me' would ROCK !!

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:21 am

A flux-capacitor really is a must.

You could load JBs Quantum-Wave and then the flux-capacitor as insert, and DSP Load jumps back to the level before loading the synth.

because the synth runs in future...

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Leper · Post by **Leper** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:32 pm

Flexor's NBL Saw Gate / Sync oscillators with added pitch correction in higher registers (remember the old pitchmodifier hack to get the pitches to sound right).

I have a few other module ideas that I'll send you modular patch examples for later, red.

roy thinnes · Post by **roy thinnes** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:03 pm

I would like to see a randomizer option for the hyper note-, control- and gate sequencer modules (within a specified range).
A killer module would be a poly gate seq with mmmh...8 or so outs, for drum pattern programming (maybe a dsp killer too, I know)

roy thinnes · Post by **roy thinnes** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:23 am

Granular displacer: tempo sync please

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:25 am

On 2006-09-14 01:23, roy thinnes wrote:
Granular displacer: tempo sync please

The Ramp input is that exactly, the tightest sync available.

roy thinnes · Post by **roy thinnes** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:45 am

sorry, I meant: adjusting delaytimes like in the tempo-delay module (click&drag)

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:31 am

Roy, do you mean BPM of the ramp module? Cos that can easily be MIDI controlled... A crossfade between an upper and lower limit BPM of 2 MIDI Clock modules, then fed to Ramp's freq. input and MIDI resolution can be more precise. For ultimate tighness, a ramp can be recorded then time-stretched (automatically?) inside the sequencer as the BPM changes there.
Or did I not understand your request very well?

roy thinnes · Post by **roy thinnes** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:09 am

mmmh, I thought of something like that

(just for quick editing the delaytime because text entries don't work and editing graphically isn't exact enough)

scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:06 pm

On 2006-09-14 12:09, roy thinnes wrote:
mmmh, I thought of something like that

(just for quick editing the delaytime because text entries don't work and editing graphically isn't exact enough)

Great idea! It would have to be scalable to a very high resolution though(up to 1/256 notes) to be effective.

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:50 pm

Ah, now I get it

Great idea IMO!