New Windows "Vista" For January 2007 !!!

MaoMusique · Post by **MaoMusique** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:00 pm

And the XP drivers are not compatible with "Vista" (or big problem of compatibility, tested).

Au boulôt ; )

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samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:36 pm

On 2006-04-13 10:53, stardust wrote:
The only way to force people to vista is ... to cancel XP driver availability.

Watch you words, stardust

But, to be honest, we Pulsar Maccers still use an outdated OS which hasn't been updated since 2002

valis · Post by **valis** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:44 pm

I'm sure Vista's directx10 (or is it 11 now?) "Aero" glass interface will do wonders for the productivity of all recording musicians!

(Translation: How to convert your workflow back into trying to record 1 track at a time without dropouts).

January 2008 might *start* to be a different story.

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:35 am

On 2006-04-15 01:23, stardust wrote:
we are consumers and therefore we have to consume.

If you use an OS that is not updated since 2002 you are deliberately refusing obidience.

Buy and go conform ! Do your duty.

Speak for yourself

valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:32 am

300 eu? My are you an optimist...

There's more to an OS upgrade than the cost of the OS itself.

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:23 pm

But but 64-bit will be so much faster! Blazing!!! Twice the bits, can you imagine!!!__!_! The music will compose itself even before I have time to boot the computer!!_!_!__!! OMG digital ormogasm___!"#__"#

valis · Post by **valis** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:44 pm

Stores recipes faster than your kids gaming machine! Able to leap tall webpages in a single scroll!

It will be interesting to see how the changes in graphics and audio subsystems affect performance for audio applications. In addition to their 'aero' thing being 3d & vector driven, they have moved the UI from the kernel (and service for themes) level out to the user level in an effort to make things more stable and facilitate more flexibility (free of the single video overlay window etc). OSX for instance does this now and is noticeably more sluggish under heavy cpu loads compared to windows (try moving in a 120 million poly scene in a 3d app, linux & windows are dramatically more interactive under Maya). The upshot for audio producers is that when running audio apps under OSX the UI may be more sluggish but you can be more confident that this means the audio engine is recieving the priority it deserves...

They have also made changes to the wdm 'streaming kernel' audio mode. I've no idea how this will affect ASIO tbh, anyone run a recent beta?

MaoMusique · Post by **MaoMusique** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:30 pm

Vista: (longhorn/Aero)

In english is 5 versions:
http://www.microsoft.com/Windowsvista/
-Windows Vista Business
-Windows Vista Enterprise
-Windows Vista Home Premium
-Windows Vista Ultimate
-Windows Vista Home Basic

French is 7 versions ; )
http://www.infos-du-net.com/actualite/5 ... Vista.html
-Starter Edition
-Home Basic Edition
-Home Premium Edition
-Professionnal Edition
-Small Business Edition
-Entreprise Edition
-Ultimate Edition

Lequel on prend ?

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Vasfed · Post by **Vasfed** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:22 pm

XP has minimum sys. requirements about P2 233 + 128 Ram and you all know how much power it's actually needed for work - ten times more

let's imagine the DAW with vista, which requires 1Gb RAM and P4 2GHz just to boot up...
it will be significantly more than 300 euro for upgrade...
and then natural question: for what? i dont think vista is so much better to be so expensive...

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:35 am

I'm sticking with W2K for a while then

valis · Post by **valis** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:43 am

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/win ... 308_05.asp

powerpulsarian · Post by **powerpulsarian** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:10 am

My understanding is that one of the specific items of focus when creating Vista was improving Windows audio (with pro-audio demands in mind).

It is suppose to improve both audio quality (everything processed in 32-bit floating point) and performance (better latency and stability).

I also heard that the person who did the audio for Apple was hired by Microsoft to create the new audio infrastructure in Vista.

powerpulsarian · Post by **powerpulsarian** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:33 am

Here's an interesting quote from Steve Ball(the GPM for the MediaTech group at Microsoft - of which Windows Audio is a part)- posted over at http://channel9.msdn.com/:

Just catching up to these threads and questions... It's been a busy time in Building 50 lately. So... "why is there an OSX box stapled to the wall in the hall outside my office ?" What a strange question? Is it not obvious? Here's one answer (among many): inspiration and motivation.

Let's face it: many things that Apple has done recently have been beautiful and well-executed. Certain products, like certain people, have an intangible charisma which, in itself, can be a source of energy and inspiration. This cannot be captured in a spec - it is something that is transmitted via direct experience. Hanging this box is not about copying features or parroting an existing set of functions (as vulgar "Redmond, start you copiers" banners have proclaimed in the past) although, those are easy assumptions.

Whether you love or hate Microsoft, the fact is that, there are hundreds (if not thousands) of innovations, insights, and brilliant ideas, designs, and products born within Microsoft people and teams every year, a fraction of which make it (often without high-falutin' theatrical press events or magic shows) into the huge line-up of MS products. If find it rather naive to assume that engineers or artists who are educated in technology or arts should intentionally avoid exploring the products and aspirations of the opposite brain or competitors or explore areas that appear to be outside of that which we like or dislike to avoid 'noise' or 'pollution' or influence or ideas that challenge our own sense of value. Okay, that sentence was a mess. Let me try that again.

I want to experience and be influenced by and inspired by all that is beautiful, graceful, elegant and excellent in the world - including people and/or products who one might assume are our 'enemies' or competitors. Even the idea of 'enemies' is sooo 'chair-throwingly' 90s and out of tune with what is required for long-term, sustainable success. The world is a huge place, and the quantity and quality of opportunities are only increasing as we continue to mature as a world society of billions and billions of network-conected, media-based people. Is there anyone alive who is not inspired by the absolute magic in the possibility of a 50" plasma HD home theatre connecting them to every person, meeting, genius, book, lecture, concert, film, song, class, thought or media event that has ever occurred or is occurring right now? Okay, there may be a few monks who prefer to practice their meditation or run symmetrical scales on their guitar in the corner rather than jack-in to these streams. We're surrounded today by so many mundane miracles that we've become numb to the incredible options we have at our fingertips as we sit at these hypnotizing screens.

While, 'getting there first' may have some buzz, biz, and brand value, it's only a small fraction of what really matters. Who reading this believes that there is no one at Apple who runs or owns a Windows machine, smartphone, xbox, or whose lives are never ever touched by any MS product? More importantly, don't you want us (in Redmond) to learn from obvious examples of excellent product design? Of course, we all have to be extremely careful about IP. But those concerns are orthogonal to the idea that inspiration is, itself, a virus worth passing to your friends and neighbors.

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So, coming back to the first question: "why is there an OSX box stapled to the wall in the hall outside my office ?" Here's one more shorter answer: last year, I went to the Apple store and bought a G5 with my own money. I use a Mac at home for my own music work. I've been recording music on Apple machines since 1992. I also work in parallel on music on Windows machines. I live in both worlds. Until late 2001, there was not sufficient will (read: defensible business justification) within MS to address Windows audio and video performance, quality, fidelity, latency. We are now in a different landscape.

In my self-acknowledged, kool-aid driven view, it is the beginning of new era for Windows Audio and Video. Perhaps more precisely, it is also the beginning of a new era for Windows users (consumers, prosumers, and pros) who wish to work and play with audio and video in their daily lives. Certainly, we also still have a long, long way to go. Perhaps, not as long as we think if you believe Ray Kurzweil. But what a great time to be alive and working in this medium.

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valis · Post by **valis** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:47 am

Steve Ball has also said that the audio has been moved from kernel mode out to user mode (to solve driver instability issues). There was also talk about making the audio 'low latency' by "providing mechanisms for those apps to bypass the audio infrastructure." He also likes to talk about 'Inductive User Interface' changes that they have made to improve the UI and 'visuals' that are accessible from the control panel, the windows mixer and applications hooks (volume control per application etc). The built-in metering for volume controls is kind of neat.

There's an older video here too where he goes over much of this ( from Sept. 2005):
http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=116347

I'm sure that Vista will be a step ahead, and that eventually many of the features that have been removed (WinFS etc) will be put back in via service packs, and the other kinks will be worked out. In fact the nasty UAP behaviour discussed in an article I linked above has already been addressed in the latest beta.

Certainly it will begin the mainstream move to 64bit computing as well for the Windows world.

However,
Stop being constructive, you're ruining our fun

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:44 am

nice statement by an M$ official that they never, really never come out with something original on their own

that alibi note doesn't change much on the 'real' facts imho

... there are hundreds (if not thousands) of innovations, insights, and brilliant ideas, designs, and products born within Microsoft people and teams every year, a fraction of which make it (often without high-falutin' theatrical press events or magic shows) into the huge line-up of MS products

don't get me wrong that I might be praising Apple instead (both companies align nicely to share the cake...), but in particular M$'s budget versus result ration clearly speaks that they either cannot or do not want to

cheers, Tom

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:10 am

Before a worthwhile final release even hits the shelves, they'll have realised it won't be compatable with their then next gen' hardware developements. They'll sweep things like that under the rug & sell the cr*p anyway, as they have for years.

No OS version will last longer than any other no matter what camp it's from based on the way developement strategies in the computer industry (or should I say money train) are designed.

I wish I could believe that the 2 big players could work together to bring universal compatibility to computing, but I don't believe it for one minute, as that's most certainly not on either company's agenda.