can't we resolve this in a private message or something?
it's obvious that you've had problems, i can't deny that. it's obvious you haven't gotten much satisfaction from the card. even though i don't profit from your happiness(or unhappiness, i'm speaking about dollars), i'd like to help since the cards have really been great for me. these cards are very demanding on the motherboards, much more than most cards, although they make life easy for the cpu. luna cards work very well with 865 chipsets w/ acpi enabled, i can assure you. i've done it many times. i DO turn off hyperthreading, just because i value stability over performance. i'm not saying hyperthreading WILL cause problems, i just do it anyway. this would be a good idea for most high end pci cards. it is possible to receive a bad motherboard from the box. it's happened to me. it is also important to have the latest bios, but i'm sure you know this. a corrupt video driver will make hay, as you know. there are so many places for things to get screwed up, i don't even mess around if things don't immediately work correctly. i start over, and if nessesary, i stress test memory, motherboard and cpu to find the fault.
i'm sure you are capable, i don't mean to belittle you. you have said i must work for cwa. well, i work in a music store, as long timers know, and the store sells the cards because I make them sell them. i did this because the cards WORK for me. i want the product i like to be around. as i already stated, i got my posts from trying to be helpful. now maybe that's a little clearer.
there ARE bugs, just like in cubase. just like in cubase(and even worse, windows), many are bugs that might never be fixed, but none are "show stoppers" and there are workarounds, like with ALL software.
i'm sure that people's problems are real, but they usually get them straightened out and live happily ever after. there are a few whose problems never get solved. some swear that they are following directions, but are doing it their way regardless of advice(you keep talking about newer chipsets but you ignore my use of the asus p5wd2 and intel d865 perl, maybe you are the type that only listens to what confirms your beliefs..), and others have mysterious issues that are only resolved by passing the hardware on to someone who can love it. there are even a few peices that are bad juju and will never work, just like 1 or 2 cars or toasters or whatever never work right no matter how many times they are fixed. i'll bet there are even 1 or 2 cursed owners who will always receive EVERY bit of damaged machinery ever built.
sure you must disable unused ports to save irqs, it's not for driver reasons that the card can't share irqs, it's the nature of the os, but one thing is also certain, the drivers work in ACPI mode on many new motherboards(the cards never worked well in all motherboards to begin with). believe it. or not. if you call me a liar, you'll be mistaken....this time.
aw heck, sure, i'll send you that driver, i bet it is even on this website SOMEWHERE. i can't let a bunch of sarcastic comments tied to my screen name disturb me... i remember someone posted it once. as i said in the beginning of this rant, you could always PM me.
maybe if you were a more patient man, computers would be easier. if you take offence at the last sentence, my sincere apologies. i know you've spent a lot of money and feel that you have been more than patient. maybe i just need a reminder to be patient myself.....you know, the thing is, in this forum, cwa employees may come from time to time, but mostly, this is just the users here. we try to help each other and use our cards because we like them. please don't disrespect us for that.
ps- a prescott is NOT an upgrade from a northwoods in a daw. for games, i dunno, but for a daw, a northwood works better and runs cooler in spite of(or because of, i'm not a true tech) the difference in cache size. that said, a prescott should work great, and in the long run, do about the same amount of work...
i'll bet there are even 1 or 2 cursed owners who will always receive EVERY bit of damaged machinery ever built.
OK, I am the first cursed one. (the other must be here somewhere...)
Seriously, If I start wining about all the trouble in the last time with hardware I bought trying to make my own home studio, educated from other's mistakes in other studios, I will be banned from here for shure... Just to say - KORG KONTROL 49 - Pitch on the middle - and +1 on the display! Move it a little by hand, and that's it. I solve it with a piece of rubber on the inside part of pitch wheel (yes, tried to return to seller for replacement, etc, etc... ) This card was the last drop in full glass of water... Sorry, and sorry again, I exploded from anger... things are built worst and worst in every year.
About northwood: It is true, it is built better than prescott, but prescott runs on 3.0- ??.?? GHz and that means more VSTs, easier work... On northwood - it worked.
Why not take your Creamware Card from your own computer and put it on a normal run off the mill,I don't know 2Ghz, stable computer,Which hasn't been tweaked,and try your card on it.Somebody you know must have one.Just an Idea.
If your card is broken,send it back,that's what I did I didn't listen to support because they're crap,I just sent it to
Creamware Audio Gmbh
Wilhelm-Ostwald-Strasse o/k2
53721 Seigburg
Germany.
Explaining the problem in English on the box.
I actually went through the shop,but in France they're no good at English,in shops I mean.
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I will take the card to completely different computer - it is a good idea, but as for returning the card... It is 3-4 years old. I can't expect that Creamware will replace it after all these years. The card works fine on my older computer which I still have, but my problem is with newer coimputer.
That's why I am confused...
i understand. it should be reliable withan 865 chipset, absolutely. the 865, along with the 815 and bx before has been a very popular chipset. infact, most intel chipsets have been good. besides those i've used 875, 820 and 955x.
875p ic7g
prescott
2g ram
nvidia graph card
scope pro 14dsp + pulsar2 6dsp
no irq conflicts.
i am on acpi since a long time and i face again freezing problems.randomly pc freezes.
it comes from midi as i can see.
midi filter i thought that solved the problem but it does not.
should i go back to standard pc?
standard pc never freezes even without any midi filters at all.
well, yeah. if standard pc works perfectly, why change from it?
if the problem is midi, and it's not feedback related, you might try a filter BEFORE entering the computer. it's possible that the controller is overloading hardware buffers by sending lots of clock and active sensing data. turning these things off in the controller would be the first option. another cable and then another controller could be tried next. a usb interface like the steinberg midex3(works well with nuendo) might be a good, cheap solution if your computer hates your controller for some arcane, unknown reason.....
also, be sure you have the latest bios for your motherboard....
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i have updated the bios. the bios is the latest one.
i also use scopes midi filters, are these not enough?
acpi i suppose is more fast using all of my systems capabilities.
but in standard pc i could set each irq and control the 15 irqs as i wanted.
in acpi irqs doubling might be kind of problem i think.
but as many of you say that work perfectly with acpi, why can't i as well?
i do not understand what happens in standard pc mode and makes midi so stable even without midi filters.
what is the difference from acpi?
don't bother trying to understand everything, just find something that's stable and works, and stick to it. you've been posting the exact same kind of messages for months and months, over and over again. just please put your computer back in standard pc if it works!!!!!
Hey, I'm interested in this thread as well, I have a very similar system that is exhibiting very similar problems. Other users are having great success on their nearly identical systems. It's a valid question to me what the differences and resolutions are. I skip over lots of posts that are of no interest to me...
it involves a hardware component architecture specification gimmick, and software in the operating system to interact with the devices that are ACPI compliant.
see this interesting tidbit on this page, under the "Critique" section:
"ACPI is a complex specification (over 500 pages long) that contains multiple components, including declarative tables, an imperative byte-code, and specific hardware components. Concerns have been repeatedly raised [2] that an implementation of ACPI has to run complex, untrusted and potentially buggy bytecode with full privileges, thus potentially making any system that implements ACPI unstable and/or insecure."
i don't know how familiar you are with windows in general, but it's not exactly the most stable or simple piece of software to start with, so running it in ACPI might not make it a whole better.
running in Standard PC would likely use the simpler code that doesn't try and turn things on or off depending on power use, plus it doesn't handle the IRQs the same way as ACPI, i.e. in Standard PC mode you can force windows to use the IRQ settings you defined in the BIOS, thus not having to move cards around PCI slots to have them set to a proper unshared IRQ.
now, why exactly MIDI would be more stable in Standard PC than ACPI? I DON'T KNOW. and i don't think anyone those. my point, on this subject, is that it is purely irrevelant to KNOW why, as long as you know which setup is more stable, and stick to it! that's why i was suggesting to contact microsoft, because windows isn't open-source, and no one else besides them know what the h*ll is going on in their operating system.
this being said, there are some dissassemblers products out there that should let you dissassemble most of windows components. if you have a couple years to spend and try to figure out what windows does differently in those two modes, it's your call! i'm just saying you should just stick to any known stable configuration you encounter. DON'T fix it if it's not broken!
