Guitar effects
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King of Snake
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thanks to Royston's link I could demo the NI Guitar Rig
according to a studio comment (recently read) '... it's the best money can currently buy in this domain...
well - it DOES sound kind of good, and seems to have an incredible range of variations...
good mixture between gimmicky and intuitive adjustments (miking, cabinets etc)
didn't spent too much time, but one can probably 'master' the GUI within a day or so - considering the foot-controller and preamp it's an acceptable bundle price imho.
But(t) is that a guitar sound ?
(don't try it under cans or it may wiggle your ears by phasing them nuts
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it is dead flat imho - partly beautiful, some pristine highs and round bass accents, but the sound itself definetely lacks deepth
...which changed completely when a I plugged the instrument into Celmo's GAM
admittedly - it's rather limited (compared to NI's options), but what it does - it does right
I wasn't too biased as I often use a Korg Toneworks Pandora (the little red one) for convenience anyway and would have liked a foot controller, too.
The point is the hard A/B
Noone could say the NI sounds bad, it really doesn't - but it's flaws are obvious if one listens to the Scope device immediately afterwords.
Actually (for me) Celmo's amp simulation gained even more respect than it already had
in this context I'd much appreciate a further contribution by CWA
box-as-box-can, Tom
according to a studio comment (recently read) '... it's the best money can currently buy in this domain...
well - it DOES sound kind of good, and seems to have an incredible range of variations...
good mixture between gimmicky and intuitive adjustments (miking, cabinets etc)
didn't spent too much time, but one can probably 'master' the GUI within a day or so - considering the foot-controller and preamp it's an acceptable bundle price imho.
But(t) is that a guitar sound ?
(don't try it under cans or it may wiggle your ears by phasing them nuts
)it is dead flat imho - partly beautiful, some pristine highs and round bass accents, but the sound itself definetely lacks deepth
...which changed completely when a I plugged the instrument into Celmo's GAM
admittedly - it's rather limited (compared to NI's options), but what it does - it does right
I wasn't too biased as I often use a Korg Toneworks Pandora (the little red one) for convenience anyway and would have liked a foot controller, too.
The point is the hard A/B
Noone could say the NI sounds bad, it really doesn't - but it's flaws are obvious if one listens to the Scope device immediately afterwords.
Actually (for me) Celmo's amp simulation gained even more respect than it already had
in this context I'd much appreciate a further contribution by CWA
box-as-box-can, Tom
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marcuspocus
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top notch setup, try this at home with caution, migth have strong side effects on you
Celmo GAM
+ Celmo Pultecator (to give the guitar 'that' sound you're searching)
+ Celmo Tape Simulator (accessible with a footswitch)
+ Celmo Speaker Simulator (position mic a bit off axis, not too far + closed cabinet).
Seriously, can't beat that sound...
I came to the same conclusion as astroman a while ago. Even tried the 2nd version too at a friends place, and nothing can beat Celmo except the real thing.
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Celmo GAM
+ Celmo Pultecator (to give the guitar 'that' sound you're searching)
+ Celmo Tape Simulator (accessible with a footswitch)
+ Celmo Speaker Simulator (position mic a bit off axis, not too far + closed cabinet).
Seriously, can't beat that sound...
I came to the same conclusion as astroman a while ago. Even tried the 2nd version too at a friends place, and nothing can beat Celmo except the real thing.
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If this is true then, as a gutiarist, I will say this is very cool.On 2006-03-14 19:04, garyb wrote:
i agree. i don't know if it's even secret. i just don't want to shoot off my big mouth and then have the devices not appear. basically, there are some nice amp models in developement....i'd forgotten about them until Andre's post.
There's no better platform for amp-modelling imo.
I hate living in the past of forthcoming events and news
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Counterparts
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well, I made a 2nd attemt yesterday - but unfortunately I started to think about the rig before...
so I picked another couple of presets, had a look a what FX was applied and then - I know this is totally unfair put STW'S (Warp69) CD100 Chorus/Delay after the GAM
forget NI - such a thinny little distortion wall, while the CD100'ed GAM gave a warm shower of sound and a full punch in the belly - and it was wiiide... (without phase tricks)
to bring this to the point:
those NI presets have a ton of devices chained (some really nice floor FX thingies among them btw) - no wonder there's some impressing stuff coming out - at first listen
In SFP I just applied the most basic stuff (it's not my fault that CD100 beats almost anything in it's domain) and got a better result.
Imho 'better' is in fact appropriate as it was a simpler setup and the sound was bigger and more direct.
It's definetely not the point to diss NI - there are folks without DSP cards and the NI bundle isn't bad at all...
but it isn't world class either
imho it's far from that considering the fact that on the Scope side of things developements have been rather limited (in variations - not quantity).
now, what if ... ?
Celmo has a solid amp foundation, a speaker simulation and THAT tape delay
SpaceF's Echo3
STW's P100/CD100 combo (possibly too demanding for a box, but WHAT a sound)
CWA's own Leslie/amp from the B2003
there's a ton of filters and modulation FX from Wavelength, Adern, Orbitone, SpaceF and Zarg
not to forget De-Vice, who started years ago with comp and speaker emulation and has a phantastic eq
it's all there, one just has to plug it together.
and that's the point: possibilities don't make a product
looks like CWA has understood and combined it with the 'hardware is value' sense of people
cheers, Tom
ps: it would be nice if they'd coop with some of the 3rd parties from time to time - those folks helped to keep confidence in the product line in difficult times...
so I picked another couple of presets, had a look a what FX was applied and then - I know this is totally unfair
put STW'S (Warp69) CD100 Chorus/Delay after the GAM forget NI - such a thinny little distortion wall, while the CD100'ed GAM gave a warm shower of sound and a full punch in the belly - and it was wiiide... (without phase tricks)
to bring this to the point:
those NI presets have a ton of devices chained (some really nice floor FX thingies among them btw) - no wonder there's some impressing stuff coming out - at first listen
In SFP I just applied the most basic stuff (it's not my fault that CD100 beats almost anything in it's domain) and got a better result.
Imho 'better' is in fact appropriate as it was a simpler setup and the sound was bigger and more direct.
It's definetely not the point to diss NI - there are folks without DSP cards and the NI bundle isn't bad at all...
but it isn't world class either
imho it's far from that considering the fact that on the Scope side of things developements have been rather limited (in variations - not quantity).
now, what if ... ?
Celmo has a solid amp foundation, a speaker simulation and THAT tape delay
SpaceF's Echo3
STW's P100/CD100 combo (possibly too demanding for a box, but WHAT a sound)
CWA's own Leslie/amp from the B2003
there's a ton of filters and modulation FX from Wavelength, Adern, Orbitone, SpaceF and Zarg
not to forget De-Vice, who started years ago with comp and speaker emulation and has a phantastic eq
it's all there, one just has to plug it together.
and that's the point: possibilities don't make a product
looks like CWA has understood and combined it with the 'hardware is value' sense of people
cheers, Tom
ps: it would be nice if they'd coop with some of the 3rd parties from time to time - those folks helped to keep confidence in the product line in difficult times...