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Bifop · Post by **Bifop** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:22 pm

On 2006-01-11 07:23, hubird wrote:

But the quote above here really makes me suspect you're a typical prepossessed amateuristic XTC-VST junk who thinks that 'passion' is reserved for oldstyle instrumentalists...
Put me on your list my friend...

Hubird, I've seen many people with a lot of gear doing nothing with it but pressing a c key and having the arpeggiator jamming by itself. They wouldn't even bother to finish a proper tune because they were actually too much into...gear lust !!! That's what I mean by boing boing zap musicians.
On the contrary, I remember many years ago, I've been sort of slapped in the face once by a youngster not knowing sh*t about music theory and that could hardly press a key on the keyboard without hitting another one mistakenly that was producing incredible Drum'n bass tracks !!!... Very inspired and good sounding !!!
It taught me to differenciate once for all producing/composing to playing abilities...

My music is a mix of electro and "old style" (rhodes, violins..). I can spend hours tweaking a synth part or an arpeggio but I still reckon it's good (for the sake of groove) to be able to play a funky bass line without too much edits...
IMO, If you have a vision of what you want to achieve, you're a musician. If chance is an important factor in your results... you're screwed !!!

@ Tuccos : Now, you're embarassing me man. How do pot smoker would have anything to do in this argument ? The xtc bit of your rant got my support. The r*dneck part is ugly to my eyes.

[ This Message was edited by: Bifop on 2006-01-11 23:04 ]

soul-synthesis · Post by **soul-synthesis** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:07 pm

I think everyone needs to get back to their music making. Some people spend far too much time on the forums....

powerpulsarian · Post by **powerpulsarian** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:10 am

On 2006-01-11 15:33, Tuccos wrote:
Just because CW is to lazy to Fix their bloody old drivers, i have to disable HT all time, otherwise i had to change it in my BIOS all time.

Did you ever think it might be a Steinberg issue??? I have HT enabled with Sonar (which by the way - does seem to improve performance significantly) - and I have no issues with my Creamware card working as expected.

I would also definitely like to see improvements in XTC - but your bitching and moaning is really tiring. It's ok to make a request - but you are totally off base.

All equipment (and software) has certain limitations - it's better to accept the limitations and move on to making music then wasting time and energy with constant complaining. It would be nice to see Creamware fix a few things - but I'm not going to wait around for this. I will use it within it's current limitations - and will be able to get great results using it.

Your comment about Creamware being lazy is completely ridiculous. They have one of the most amazing products available (even with its limitations). If you don't like it, then move on so we don't have to hear it from you.

And if you can find any other product that even comes close to doing what the SCOPE system can do, I would be happy to hear about it.

[ This Message was edited by: powerpulsarian on 2006-01-12 06:12 ]

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:54 am

"I have the feeling that some people here smoke to much weed and take things damn cool and easy. "

as for narcotic generalisation, at least we are not german hard trance producers who needs xtc to have a good time.

pun intended.

DSP ADD!CT · Post by **DSP ADD!CT** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:59 am

the point is that even for uss sfp users the support is falling away. there was no update in a few years and i dont think there wont be one anymore also. we all know that the platform in this form is at its end. they concetrate to much on the new hardware imho when they could still add some improvements for uss software or driver wise.

due to that its still a great piece of technology(i think the best you can get for that money) but still not fair for all of those supported it a long time and invested alot of money in it.

cheers

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:50 am

I disagree.

All the evidence in place would suggest that Creamware always have & always (whlie they survive) will treat their customers in a very fair manner. Their Xmas deal was poorly explained, but they didn't bundle those great deals up with Scope 4.5 for a laugh. They are slowly (when they can find the time) working on the Scope platform (unconfirmed, but rather obvious). CW know they've always had winning products, but developement costs, poor marketing, commercial advertising & distribution costs have always made life almost impossible for small companies such as Creamware. Facts speak for themselves & if you think the most important facts are your XTC drivers & software not being bugfixed & updated, then I'm affraid you're sadly mistaken.

That's coming from someone who's by no means a defender of Scope without good reason.

Put yourself in the position of ANY small Pro Audio company & if you're imagination gets it right, you'll see that it's an almost impossible marketplace to survive with or without winning products.

Give Creamware a break & make the most of what you have. That can't be too difficult to grasp as concept .. but then who knows.

powerpulsarian · Post by **powerpulsarian** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:38 am

Totally agree with you Shroomz.

I have had a lot of equipment become unsupported only a year or two after purchase because it was discontinued - no support from the company at all. I am so happy this hasn't happened with the SCOPE system through all the difficult times that Creamware has had as a business recently.

We are lucky that as part of their restructing they didn't drop it all together and go in a totally different direction.

Post by **hubird** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:08 pm

indeed

Tuccos · Post by **Tuccos** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:41 am

LOL@you all

i am feeling so bad now !

Creamware can be proud about such a loyal userbase !!

you guys completly suck, your are even not worth to be called "males"

you guys behave like chickens and CW is your Farmer.

What a peaceful community. So sweet, so nice !

Still most of you are liars, you know exactly about the bugs and the lazy CW developers. And you still defend them, its so amazing to see that.

You guys are cheating yourselfs by defending CW here.

LOL@you all....

p.s i am not a person that doesnt use SFP, i just like the XTC mode more, because its better and more comfortable to work with. If some of you GURU´s think they are the overbright and megawise super CW users, then thats fine for you.

I just want XTC nothing else

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:58 am

troll.

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:04 am

still I have to congratulate you for the awesomely entertaining posts!

Post by **garyb** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:14 am

dxl....

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:23 am

Yes, King of Snake

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King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:32 am

don't feed the trolls people....

erminardi · Post by **erminardi** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:49 am

On 2006-01-11 16:02, garyb wrote:
...text values(...)they CAN be entered in the track automation, which is very EASY...

Good trick man, but I've found a little trouble: if I wish to be more precise in values enter? i.e. if I have a stereo delay in a 84.692 BPM track, I cannot put exactly this value via automation, the nearest value available is 84.61 BPM...
I wonder in wich mode U can use more precisely that automation trick?
Thanks a lot

[ This Message was edited by: erminardi on 2006-01-13 03:51 ]

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:07 am

Tuccos - Here's a revolutionary idea - maybe you can use a native delay plugin for those special moments when you want to input a delay value as text?

Here's another revolutionary idea - the world does not revolve around you... there's people with even less facilities than you, who get on with making music instead of crying like a spoilt child. Get over it or sell your cards. You are a consumer, nothing more.

I repeat that this is not the place for your rants - we're just a community of musicians who use these cards. Contact Creamware with your stupid angst.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:16 am

sorry

& again ... ED

Participation from what seems like no more than industrial espionage .... removed.

[ This Message was edited by: Shroomz on 2006-02-06 11:54 ]

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:41 am

On 2006-01-13 04:16, Shroomz wrote:
I'll let you into a little secret Tuccos [off record]

Our 3 Creamware cards (PulsarII, Luna & Powersampler) run virtually flawlessly in a system with a crappy Athlon 2200 XP, 1.5gig of the worst unmatched crappy OEM ram you could find on an Nforce2 chipset Asus motherboard which IS NOT one of the recommended boards to use. IE :- It's a pretty crappy computer. But guess what?

that doesn't sound like such a crappy computer to me... In fact NForce 2 was the recommended chipset for Scope systems a while ago wasn't it? I got one too, with an XP2600 though (but also no-name unmatched RAM) and i wouldn't call it crappy

It even plays Half Life 2 smoothly

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:37 am

& again

Participation removed.

[ This Message was edited by: Shroomz on 2006-02-06 11:56 ]

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:52 am

i'm assuming at this point that Tuccos is someone having a laugh, otherwise you're the most ridiculous person to tread these boards in a long time - you sure you didn't mean to post on KvR?