Upgrade Scope Project to "latest software status"

mashen · Post by **mashen** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:11 am

"DISCLAIMER

...CreamWare makes no representations, warranties or assurances as to the availability, accuracy, currency or completeness of this site or its contents. CreamWare shall not be liable for any damages or injury resulting from your access to, or inability to access, this site, or from your reliance on any information provided at this site."

Aha! Things are getting clearer and clearer for sure.

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Post by **Guest** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:58 pm

MODIII does NOT come with Scope 4.5.

look at the list of Synth under the Synth Library.

Now you may read about MOD III under scope Home but this is a typo. SH*T happens.
CWA were contacted about this,

the same thing for Interpole.
Their Site says it is an optional Plugin While CW says this comes with the new Mix master.

Obviously they are not trying to screw anyone.

any way. There only 9 threads dealing with this subject.

can another new comer make another thread

I am enjoying watching more threads about this subject. let see how many by end of this week.

powerpulsarian · Post by **powerpulsarian** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:07 pm

We can only hope that this lack of attention to detail in describing the new offer does not carry over to Creamware's developement of the actual updated DSP files.

The way they represent themselves to the world in their text can have an impact on how well they are received. Especially when someone spends their hard earned money on something expecting to get what is described, only to find out that Creamware didn't care to take the time to find or correct typos - the issue remains almost week later.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:17 pm

Lets face facts.

The majority of Creamware's potential customers are right here !! (sorry for revealing this fact everyone)

The truth is, that 80-90% of Creamware's new customers will be ASB related (not counting software sales)

If these guys are looking to do new business, they better get their act together !!

mashen · Post by **mashen** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:49 pm

If Creamware are, as someone told me they probably are, watching this happen and not even bother to straiten things out here in this forum before more people feel that they have been duped by their tactless website, it should be considered as a warning signal not to do business with them until they give us a satisfying answer to our questions.

Antar! I don't know what kind of connection you got with Creamware. But I think you better be concerned about people feeling deluded than feeling sorry for Creamware. The way they are handling this is not ok! I think you are a bit arrogant telling people not to complain when creamware obviously don't do what's expected as god manners.

Post by **Guest** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:12 pm

HERE is the email I used to contact CWA on last Friday info@creamware.de

and I asked specific questions related to what others on this forum are confused about.

I got my answer and posted them for you.

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=5&57

it is always recommanded for your sake and the rest of us that you do a search on a specific subject before you start a new thread. But this also show that you probably new to all this...no offense intended.

BTW: This is planetZ. CW (and you may tell the person who told you that CW are watching)

that no CW person is really obliged to come to public forum and defend themselves.

You feel confused? you think you have been Screwed with the 98Euro? You got very little devices compared to others? CW did not give you enough? here is an idea email them and wait for an answer and when you get your answer come back and let us know what they told you.

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Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:39 pm

On 2005-12-05 14:17, Shroomz wrote:
Lets face facts.

The majority of Creamware's potential customers are right here !! (sorry for revealing this fact everyone)

The truth is, that 80-90% of Creamware's new customers will be ASB related (not counting software sales)

If these guys are looking to do new business, they better get their act together !!

Yes it's odd that they haven't hired better PR and someone to look after their web page, the situation has been kind of weird since the 'rebirth' anyways.

This is purely conjecture, I don't know what's going on at Creamware, Inc but as that company nearly went under just a few years ago, I bet they have a lot less choice in what they do, than some people are taking into consideration. I would think that when a company is having problems, potential investors, banks, etc, are going to be a lot pickier in exactly what is funded, loaned, etc, and more demanding to be shown things (like clear proof that the money is being used to develop something that will sell, and of course their code repository

). I think it's more a case of not having any time to work on the Scope software, because every bit of work done now must bring in real money. They might WANT to create lots of things for the platform, and maybe even developing cool stuff 'under the table' but I suspect they are pretty well forced to make the moves they're making. If the SBC is the highlight of the 'new' package, they clearly haven't been focussing their efforts on it as much as they used to. Or else, they have something awesome that will be ready by March, and all this is just to try cash in on Christmas sales. They kind of dropped the ball in terms of making it clear just what this upgrade is, but we're all human. Their biggest concern may be the ASB stuff because if it sells, they're bailed out (for the time being anyways) and if it bombs, it's goodbye and thanks for the Phish. If that happens, the platform will still work great, but no new software for it, and in 4 years time, technology will have moved on and it will be replaced by something even better.

mashen · Post by **mashen** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:41 pm

On 2005-12-05 15:12, antar wrote:

BTW: This is planetZ. CW (and you may tell the person who told you that CW are watching)
that no CW person is really obliged to come to public forum and defend themselves.

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Of course not, but shouldn't it be in their interest to do so? At least from the amount of emails they should have gotten at this point! They could find this forum helpful to straiten things out, and to do so should really have highest priority.

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valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:39 pm

Considering the amount of complaning versus legitimate feedback, I think its understandable that they don't jump right on every issue here. As others have pointed out, email works fine.

Also in regards to the issues with their website, the fellow who does their web development does NOT work at creamware, he is merely a contract worker.

Having been in that situation myself for 11-12 years, I understand completely how difficult it can be to get an offsite worker to arrange all information correctly from the get go (it almost requires Creamware to spec out every page and item verbatim to avoid communication error). And getting changes to happen is also a lengthy process. This is why companies typically maintain their own staff onsite whenever possible.

Just hope that increased sales can make this more of a reality for them, and give them the (email) feedback they need to correct issues. Politeness always helps, at least the first few attempts. And given their history of actually being responsive I have yet to have needed to go beyond being polite in my emails.

powerpulsarian · Post by **powerpulsarian** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:56 pm

If they would respond here - it would mean less emails they would need to respond individually to - which would mean more time for them to deal with other real issues. I agree that it would be in their best interest to monitor this forum from time to time and respond to concerns - it would help them avoid more time later answering individual emails.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:59 pm

They could find this forum helpful to straiten things out, and to do so should really have highest priority.

And exactly how is is this forum useful with nine friggin' threads about the same thing? Think anyone is going to read them all. i know i can't be bothered anymore. Would have been nice to see all you people contribute something else to planet z in the past, it's a bit like only visiting a friend when you want some cash out of him.

Before you start - yes i think CW could have handled things differently. Yes i think the marketing could have been clearer. Yes i think anyone has a right to complain on this forum - but have you noticed all the threads on the same thing? Try posting in one of those first instead of creating new threads for you personal whine.

Sorry just getting a little tired of it all and it's late and i'm grouchy.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:34 pm

If you can't be bothered reading through the communication devices of the forum (threads)

.... in a word .... don't

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:05 pm

Keeping you up are we Schroomz

i did wake up grouchy (it's a bit early here innit), so i had a bit of time to kill - hence i read this thread. i just wish this was on about two or three threads that's all as i can't keep up the subtleties of the different subjects, you know "SCOPE 4.5, Zen and Me", "How I Nearly Married SCOPE 4.5", "SCOPE 4.5 Killed My Wife!" etc.

(a tired) Mr A

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Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:12 pm

ROFLMAO

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:14 pm

I know naathing

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:37 pm

Hey Mr A. I know you're tired (me too), but if you add up all the posts regarding Scope 4.5 it would probably tally around 1000.....
.... that's a LOT of posts to bundle in a couple of threads !! ... Are you looking for threads which are 300 posts long ... Shit, I hope not.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:11 pm

if you add up all the posts regarding Scope 4.5 it would probably tally around 1000.....

Yeah, but at least 500 of those posts are probably complaining about how many different threads there are(!)

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Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:12 pm

Post by **hubird** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:36 pm

Sir Arkadin has damn right, some discipline in forum behavior would be a nice thing.
So much nonsens all over the place, same discussions in every thread, that's what you get.
And then the excessive quoting which doesn't make reading a pleasure...
People are too lousy to argument on spot, they just quote a whole post and then start whining their private frustration in general.

If I was John, and had time to keep an instant eye on it, I would force people to stay in one or two threads, to avoid private attention drawing!
My blessing.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:59 am

I agree about excessive quoting, but for goodness sake, how can you possibly stsrt dictating to people whether they can start a new thread or not? ... It's a forum