Creamware vs RME

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:36 am

Can anybody compare luna + i/o box with rme hamerfall hdsp 9632?

I don't want to start war between rme and creamware fans,I already have luna,I just need info on pros/coins of both systems.And can anybody tell me what is price of i/o box for luna,I can't find it anywhere.

Thanks,
best regards

dubcotics · Post by **dubcotics** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:37 pm

hi,

SCOPE home + Luna I/O Box Bundle = 565.00 EUR, I had mine sent by mail, I mean parcel.

cheers,

Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:26 pm

contact the sales department in Germany at info@creamware.de for pricing and shipping cost to where you are in Europe.

As noted the Scope Home + 2496 Box is listed on the creamware shop.
if you only want the box than a small email to the sales department will get you what you are looking for.

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Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:53 am

If I remember correctly, I was helping a friend look into some "problems" with the hammerfall. It was the only soundcard in his system and he wanted to be able to record VSTi's to hard disk, using Cubasis.

I looked into it for him and found that the hammefall doesn't have a "loopback port" so this is not possible. (I think that this is something that RME were looking at addressing in a future firmware release).

I think that the Creamware card would offer better routing possibilities, if that's something you need.

Royston

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:11 am

Royston - was it a hammerfall or a hammerfall DSP? The DSP cards have some routing possibilities, but it's nowhere near as flexible and easy to use as the Scope routing.

Doesn't Cubasis have some kind of bounce facility to record VSTi's to audio?

darkstar - For me, the pro's of an RME are that it can go down to slightly lower latency than CW, there's quite a lot of freedom with platform/OS (even runs on Linux) and generally very stable. Of course it won't do the cool things that are possible on a Scope system, but I'm not sure how much you can do with just 3 dsps (when I started out I just had a 4-dsp Pulsar I and it was fairly painful until I got another Pulsar I).

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Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:53 am

darkrezin wrote:
Royston - was it a hammerfall or a hammerfall DSP? The DSP cards have some routing possibilities, but it's nowhere near as flexible and easy to use as the Scope routing.

I think that it was the DSP variant. At the time, I did some hunting around on the RME website and found this:

http://www.rme-audio.com/english/faq/rme_faq.htm

"Can signals be routed from output to input with Totalmix, for internal recording?

Not yet. Signals can be routed with a cable, e.g. from ADAT out to in (check the correct clock settings!) Internal routing will be added in a future driver release."

That has been there since the dinosaurs walked the Earth.

Doesn't Cubasis have some kind of bounce facility to record VSTi's to audio?

Not that I could discover. SX does it, I am pretty sure.

Royston

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:35 am

The Luna2496 is unbalanced, so can't be compared to the RME really.

But if you go to A16... A/B'd A16 and Fireface here, and the difference is minimal, in favor of the RME - its noise floor for example is amazing. But the comparison turns to CW's benefit if you see the A16 has double the io's for only half the price...

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:11 am

Noise floor on RME is better than -80 db?!?!?

(That's an empirical number, not theoretical...)

valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:50 am

Noisefloor coming off my analog mixer with all faders open (except the crap sblive) is -85 to -90 dB, and that's the first 2 inputs to my RME Hammerfall (connected to HDSP pci card). The other 6 inputs are connected to my Virus and Fs1r and have -95 to -97 dB noisefloor. This is also an older Multiface with slightly less headroom than the Fireface and Multiface II that are shipping these days.

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:41 am

Valis: Wow! What kind of noise floor do you get on your A16 Ultra, by way of comparison? -80dB or so?

arela · Post by **arela** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:43 am

think Creamware vs RME is 2-1 by half time
....or was it the other way around....
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could not resist