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Post by firubbi »

what is the good size should be drive c ?

is it ok if i put like this

dist one: 200Gb seagate (primary master)
drive c = 40gb
drive d = 55gb
drive e = 55gb
drive f = 55gb

disk 2:80 gb seagate(primary slave)
dirve g = 40gb
drive h = 40gb

disk 3:120gb seagate(secondary master)
drive i = 40gb
drive j = 40gb
drive k = 40gb

secondary slave is dvdw: drive l.
**all disk are 7200rpm
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Hi Firubbi,

Why did you divide your hdds to so many partitions? I ask it because I once worked on a system (ProTools on a PC - BTW no more, please...) with a similar amount of hdds and it was totally weird mess! Unfortunately I was a guest there and couldn't use my rules. I think this situation caused my work to last longer due to time consuming searching...

Returning to your main question: IMHO if you don't install games on the PC (which I presume you don't) 20gigs is enough to have some breathing room.

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Post by firubbi »

thanks samplaire
:grin: i cant remember where i heard that it works smooth if you divide your hard disk.
No.. no way i don't put games... :grin:

so c drive should be 20gb and its ok if i don't partition even a 200gb?
thanks :smile:
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Here's about how I partitioned the Scope machine:

- C large enough to install windows and all programs,
- D large enough for virtual memory - some programs like Photoshop require VM - and temporary folders. Later, in Computer Properties, the /windows/temp and /windows/tmp folders can be moved over there, as well as Temporary Internet files folder.
- a partition to use as My Documents - only you know how much will be in there. (see right-click My Documents)
- a partition to use as temporary folder for sample editors etc - this can be moved to the D, but preferably this is on another physical drive
- a partition to store your samples, can also be used for Scope's devices, modules, patches, presets, see cset.ini to make location references.
- a partition for your projects. Never defragment this one, you will slow down any multi-track recording that is inherently interlaced.
- a partition with all (or at least most used, for example XP cd with drivers, oxe files etc.) applications, you may not want to go search your CD's each time you want to install something,
- a partition for images of C:. Make an image after you've installed Windows. Make an image after you've made basic tweaks, installed any Service Packs or updates, has your network settings, logins etc. Make an image again once all applications are installed, if desired after personalising them (for example with your default New Projects in Cubase). If you ever run into a problem now, restore the image and you continue to work in 10 minutes. Fnck troubleshooting for 2 days to get your system back up and running, just boot it from floppy or CD and restore the image while you're having a coffee break. If you want to use Partition Magic, take into account it can back up NTFS and fat32 partitions, but it can only write to fat32, with it's Microsoft file size limitation of 4GB. You might have to save the image over a couple of different files, you can give in the names when you get to it.
- optionally a partition for media you're not really editing: mp3s, movies etc.

how you set it up, depends on your use... for example I have an additional ext3 partition for Demudi.

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Thank you At0m :smile:
partition for your projects--Never defragment this one, you will slow down any multi-track recording that is inherently interlaced.... You're telling not to defragment this cause that will slow down my rec! how this happen? need a little help cause every morning i defrag my project partition(40gb)
a partition for images.. this is very important.. but how to do that?
thanks again at0m :smile:


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I only use 2 HD's , my personal choice is to have a separate partition on first Disk (where also C: is) for the Virtual memory, another to install Music SW, and another as Archive, with Sample libraries etc..

The 2nd Disk has usually 3 partitions for Audio, where I save in "Song Folders" all the stuff related to each song, Audio files, daw file, Scope project and sometimes samples that are not resident in the pc and are song related. The reason of these partitions is because I have one partition ready for a current new job, the second is for other stuff, the third is to have some space for temporary storage in order to have working partitions not too full. It is also used because instead of defragmenting Audio partitions, I copy all the folders here, reformat and rescan the original partition and copy everything back. It practically defragments without de-interlacing or messing anything. And it's faster.

I have also a 4th partition on the 2nd disk, that I call Multisystem, where I store OS images, new installers, beta stuff.

This because my first disk is always in a removable tray, and I have a copy of it plus other installations where I can experiment, so, when I have to pass files from a system to another one, or have things to install on all systems, I put them here. All my new modulars are here as well.

Returning to the first disk, I have Virtual Memory partition here because when I do audio tasks on the other disk, this one is usually quiet so it's very good to make V.Mem using a different disk head than the one that records and plays back audio.

I also have Music software installed in a dedicated partition to keep the system image smaller, and also because if I have to restore I keep my recent presets and folder preferences safe and untouched.

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firubbi, if you record 4 tracks at the same time with 128kB record buffer per track, let's say, then the disk will have 128kB of track1, 128kB of track2, 128kB of track3, 128kB of track 4, then the next block of track1, next block of track2, etc etc. This is how data is layed out on the disk. Now for playback, it will read the blocks in exact same manner.
Imagine that would be defragmented. Now the first block of track2 would be /after/ the /last/ block of track1 - causing a lot of unneccessary jumps for the drive's heads. This is exactly why VDAT makes the files before recording, so the 8(times n) tracks will all be interlaced, which is much much less work for the harddisk, and the maximum amount of tracks using this serialised read/write method will be significantly higher.

Partition for images, firubbi? Well, you just make a partition and then you can use it to put images of the partitions on. There's different software that allows you to make these backups, as long as you don't use MS Backup. It's been useless since it's initial release ages ago, since it cannot overwrite any file in use. So back up (make an image) outside of Windows, like by booting from floppy or CD.

Alfonso, you worried about silent drives? Did you move the daw into your studio?
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On 2005-07-09 08:28, at0m wrote:

Alfonso, you worried about silent drives? Did you move the daw into your studio?
No, I said quiet but I should have said inactive...or better, hard work free....

I still have it outside :grin:
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Thanks At0m :smile: now its clear.
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On 2005-07-09 08:28, at0m wrote:
firubbi, if you record 4 tracks at the same time with 128kB record buffer per track, let's say, then the disk will have 128kB of track1, 128kB of track2, 128kB of track3, 128kB of track 4, then the next block of track1, next block of track2, etc etc. This is how data is layed out on the disk. Now for playback, it will read the blocks in exact same manner.
Imagine that would be defragmented. Now the first block of track2 would be /after/ the /last/ block of track1 - causing a lot of unneccessary jumps for the drive's heads. This is exactly why VDAT makes the files before recording, so the 8(times n) tracks will all be interlaced, which is much much less work for the harddisk, and the maximum amount of tracks using this serialised read/write method will be significantly higher.

Partition for images, firubbi? Well, you just make a partition and then you can use it to put images of the partitions on. There's different software that allows you to make these backups, as long as you don't use MS Backup. It's been useless since it's initial release ages ago, since it cannot overwrite any file in use. So back up (make an image) outside of Windows, like by booting from floppy or CD.

Alfonso, you worried about silent drives? Did you move the daw into your studio?
What if you add more tracks then delete some?
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Then it's beyond your control. I remember this program that would order audio files 'optimally' on the drive but you can imagine how difficult it can get, one doesn't know where the tracks end up in the sequencer. As it's only use I could see moving VDAT files, but I never bothered. Bottom line is that multi-track recordings lay out the files ideally. Defragmenting will destroy that, and doesn't help much either in other cases. So I don't bother defragmenting the projects partition.
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Post by symbiote »

AnalogX has created a little free utility called Interleave (http://www.analogx.com/contents/downloa ... nterlv.htm) that will let you select some WAV files, and it'll interleave them for fairly optimal playback.

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That's the one :grin:
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thanks symbiote. can you tell how to perform the task. Is it like after the rec season…
*i'd install the program in drive c.
*open my project folder. .open audio folder.
*select all wav files (in the proper order, from the Windows explorer.. but first put them as date modified), and drag them onto the Interleave dialog.
* select all and press interleave.
*is that all?
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Yep, that should work great.
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sorry again.... found the "read me" and it says:
. Adding files couldn't be simpler, just select the files you want
to interleave (in the proper order, from the Windows explorer), and drag them
onto the Interleave dialog, double check to make sure they are set up properly,
select the destination directory (must be different from the source), hit the
Interleave button, and away you go!

so if i select the destinstion directory in different place how can i start the same season for re-rec anything. hope you understad me :grin:
is this software is just for backup project files on othere disk? it could be great if we can put files in the same dir. @at0m can you join plz.
thanks again.
** one thing is very clear that the project disk have to be ONE fresh 7200rpm HD without any partion.

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Post by symbiote »

It's not for backup, but it has to rewrite all the wave-files interleaved on your harddrive, so it'll need the originals as well. One thing you can do, is copy all the files you want to interleave in a temporary folder (or just a subfolder in your original project directory,) and set the original directory as the destination directory in AnalogX interleave.

It can't put the file in the same dir, as it'd have to rename them, and thus you'd have to rebuild all your projects.
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I wouldn't use that program unless restoring VDAT projects from DVD to hard drive or so. After chopping and re-aligning in another sequencer, it's not worth the effort to have a say in the physical disk layout.
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Post by firubbi »

@At0m i put all samples to secondary sleve and when i adition them by sonar(loop explorer) the sound is wired. seems it break by parts ... kicks snares all. what could be the problem?
primary master-xp(40gb)
primary slave- project(80gb)
secondary master- dvdrw
secondary sleve- samples (120gb)

samples on primary master disk doesn't has this prob!! anything to do with cluster size?

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