Another Information (OSX)

gedas · Post by **gedas** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:03 am

Second that. For me it's just a few minor niggles to be fixed - STM midi multichannel (a finer resolution would be better yet) for full control surface automation, and STS phase prob, and I'd be happy as can be.

pwabixcpp · Post by **pwabixcpp** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 7:17 am

Yes I took off the two scope cards outside of my G4 dual 1.25 and bought a RME Fireface 800 and sound is completely different. I never could imagine how can be that much different.Fireface converters are the same spec like Apogee AD16 DA16. Now I am very happy..

G5 is coming but these cards are not compatible ???
What to do with those?
And no more problems pci or any other limits LogicPro7 and lot's of power.If you need more connect two G5 dual2.5 and Logic can use power from both G5. 10Ghz of power for plugins!!!! more than enough

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CroNiX · Post by **CroNiX** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 7:19 pm

Sorry, but I guess people just havent learned the lesson to NEVER buy anything on what a manufacturer *promises* to happen in the future. You ALWAYS buy something based on if it does what you need it to do *now*. Not to sound cold, just practical.

PS - If you buy my car now, I promise that in 2 years I will upgrade it to the new flying model

jules · Post by **jules** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:10 am

Hi,
Just want to say big honnest thanks to all the people breaking their back on the OSX drivers code for us -for free. I'm sure you're doing a great job.

But can anyone clarify my main concern once for all:
Are the CW cards compatible with the PCI-X bus of the biggest G5s? These things operate with a funny voltage don't they?

Tha.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:25 am

it's true, they don't fit.
still unknown what CWA will do to solve this problem.

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2005-03-01 08:25 ]

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:55 am

imho it's more likely that if they ever come out with new hardware (which would be required to 'solve' the 3.3 V problem), it would be an external box with the faster version of firewire.
NOAH at least had OSX support, so there's at least some experience to start from - and it would be much easier to maintain over various platforms (and cheaper to develope anyway).

With enough onboard memory the PCI bandwidth problem would vanish, too.

cheers, Tom

jules · Post by **jules** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:24 am

Anyway, I think you need quite a few tracks and a serious number of plugs to put the 2x1.8Ghz G5 on its knees.
It will be enought for me, at least.

There was also rumors that PCI-X will disapear as fast as it came, and that the potential next generation of PowerMac will go PCI-express (I'm quite numb on these subject...I read PCI-god only knows.. express or or something else) Which would probably be another reason for CW not to develop PCI "variant" card, before having a clear picture of what will go on with.. G6?

Right now the most difficult part is to come: savings for investments.

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MBSound · Post by **MBSound** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:31 pm

It's been quiet for a while, anybody have any news on the progression of the 'SFP 4.0 for OSX' update? Have the coders and CWAudio come to an agreement jet? I heard that was still a big problem, till which level the coders would have access to the CWAudio basecode. Not an expert on which level or how to call it, but I understood that it was pretty important for the coders to make any progression on the project.

cheers Marius

onomat · Post by **onomat** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:57 pm

Would love to see it as soon as possible too as two computers in the same room is just too noisy...all those operating systems gnashing teeth etc... I hope the OSX thing gets sorted out soon as possible...

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:56 pm

On 2005-03-01 10:24, jules wrote:
There was also rumors that PCI-X will disapear as fast as it came, and that the potential next generation of PowerMac will go PCI-express (I'm quite numb on these subject...I read PCI-god only knows.. express or or something else) Which would probably be another reason for CW not to develop PCI "variant" card, before having a clear picture of what will go on with.. G6?

Well, I think the choice is between PCI 3.3v, PCI-Express (also known as PCI-E), and FireWire. PCI-X is never going to happen on the PC because PCs are already moving to PCI-E. I'm pretty sure Apple is going to go that route in the next round of PowerMacs. I'm not sure if CreamWare would want to "jump on the bandwagon" or not. PCI 3.3v would be the most boring route, since it doesn't give us anything new. FireWire would be interesting, but I just don't see how it could possibly be backwards compatible, because our current devices require host memory, which FireWire is too slow to deliver. I really think PCI-E is the best option. Maybe they could revamp Noah to be FireWire and much more like Scope to satisfy the FireWire enthusiasts.

My 2c....

Shayne

jules · Post by **jules** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:01 am

Yes firewire... in a 19' rack enclosure...
So we can get rid of bulky desktops

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:18 am

Yes firewire, but no usb2.0 which take up to much system resources to manage. Firewire has it's own controler, freeing lots of system resources

MBSound · Post by **MBSound** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:06 pm

This topic almost dropt out of my screen, ... and just wanted to note that it isn't about firewire or usb 2.0. It is about OSX and linux update. And to me the most important, OSX, they have said in the past that it is an important isue to CWAudio, though time and time agian I get disappointed by how litlle info we get on what the status is on the project, even thaugh it isn't a company-project, which I myself find rediculous, your aiming for a pro/semipro-user arent they? This includes the mac user very much. (Logic v7.0 only runs on OSX)

borg · Post by **borg** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:38 pm

unless apple ditches their version of pci, X, i don't have any hopes for scope on OSX. if not, this would mean two different operating systems AND two different cards. i think that's not gonna happen.
i don't expect to see a firewire unit. not that i wouldn't like to see that, but it's just a feeling.

anyway, all my sequencing and native stuff is being done by the laptop now, and my old G3 running OS9 and Scope is still going strong as a standalone box (midi and ADAT connected).
it is a shame though for folks wanting to work on a new desktop G5.

CroNiX · Post by **CroNiX** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:49 pm

Another option for the near future would be "wireless USB" which will be out soon. Just trying to throw another monkey wrench into the situation

valis · Post by **valis** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:22 pm

PCI-X isn't "Apple's" but rather a spec that was seen on server boards for some time before Apple adopted it for their G5. It was available as far back as 2001 or 2000, however it was only called 64bit PCI back then (66mhz signalling). Before the G5, most of the "PC" server boards offered at least 1 PCI-32 bus concurrent with the 64/66 (PCI-X) bus (or busses), its just that Apple seems to have chosen the 'less expensive' option of only having 1 bus.

3.3v PCI-32 cards are compatible (sadly Creamware cards are 5v) and if you insert a 33mhz card into the PCI-X bus it will downclock the whole bus. Also I believe that the bus might reduce to 32bit wordlength in the presence of a 32bit card, but I'm not positive about that.

narly · Post by **narly** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:29 am

I may be mixing apples and oranges, but I wouldn't be holding out hope for development of additional OS support for Scope when it seems Creamware can't even run a reliable web-shop/user support site! I don't have empirical data to support the assertion, no formal study or analysis has been undertaken, but it surely seems that this necessary element of contemporary customer service is constantly out-of-service. Good luck!!!

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symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:02 am

Not sure sure about the webserver part. There's very little you can do if your webserver is hit by DDoS attacks from a huge botnet of hacked 'doze boxes (and there are *alot* of those at the moment.) If they try spending time fixing this, you can expect them to have even less time to work on OSX support.

You might want to blame Apple's dropped support for PCI and move to PCI-X as a more likely candidate to lack of OSX support.

narly · Post by **narly** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:49 pm

Is that what their issue is? DDoS attacks? I wondered what the problem was. I wonder why they have been targeted so much. You wouldn't think a concern as small as CWA would be the focus of such regular and persistant attacks. Curious... I should have known it was another instance where we could blame Windows.

Post by **Guest** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:01 pm

if you guys really notice that their shop/registration server is the only one that is always down,

other pages/server are never down, Could it be some hackers purposly trying to bring down their online shop:the part of the server that pump cash in CWA.