no midi in-out

spawn · Post by **spawn** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:03 pm

hello
first of all i want to tell you that i am not a musician, i am an system admin, wich take care of a studio computers, so please be patient with me

now my problem:
my employer use a creamware pulsar 2 with an asus p4p800 mb, scope fusion 4 , and for midi a korg pa1xpro keyboard

now, everything is ok except the midi in-out
they( sound people ) say that they use the routing in scope corectly, but is no midi in or out..nothing
we put the korg, and route a monitor on the midi-in input..nothing
i instaled w2k in "raw" mode..meaning standard pc, no power management, no irq shared, no other device.. everything in bios set down if unused( onboard sound card for example)
we checked the cables, everything is ok
i have to say that this creamware worked well on other pc, lower than that..( some p3...)

maybe is some software setting they don't do well, i do not know how to use the scope soft, and if you can give me some advice please tell me like i am a stupid low iq annoing whatever you want..
maybe i am

thanks a lot for your patience..

spawn · Post by **spawn** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:19 pm

i verified everything
about midi in source..
we tried with a device which have some builtin midi samples, i don't know how to translate this in english..

nothing again

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:34 pm

How about a MIDI Monitor? Hook it up to the hardware MIDI input, you find it in the MIDI dropdown menu. Does it monitor any input? If so, do you see the red 'midi in' LED on some synth lit up if you connect it to the hardware MIDI source? How about sending MIDI from a software sequencer? Does that work? Can you play audio, is the samplerate of the card locked to some value and not on '--'?

Just a couple of things you can check, after that you can start emailing CW on a daughterboard repair :>

Good luck!

spawn · Post by **spawn** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:52 pm

i used the monitor
when i routed to the output is shows the "normal" sequence of data
when routed to the input, it shows nothing or some "glimps"
the sample rate is locked to 44.1 or 48 or 96.2( here i'm not shure) but is locked

i understand your frustation about some stupid computer user ( that's me

) trying to solve this problem, but i have no other place , i googled, read forums and found nothing

spawn · Post by **spawn** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:55 pm

i forgot
they use some software midi source, and it works...everything works except the hardware midi in or out

can this be a hardware malfunction? or i still have a chance

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:11 pm

You should have MIDI "through" cable that should output everything Goes into MIDI "in" cable. If you have another outboard midi gear connected to it, you can check if it receives midi data from the keyboard. It could be also a broken cable.....

I'm sorry if I say so, but did you connect your keyboard's MIDI Out to Pulsar's MIDI In right?

Good luck...

spawn · Post by **spawn** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:31 pm

that midi device...is some kind of medi generator, my english does't have the right term in vocabulary...

and spdif
when i connect midi-out from keyboard to midi -in in that device( i do not remeber the name or serial, tomorrow i will find the exact name), the green-led "midi" blinks
i did not try with midi-through to connect to midi-in of creamware..i will

and related to out-in connection, verified this too..

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:36 pm

no no
don't connect midi through to midi in!!!!

you said that if you connect the korg to MIDI in you have the midi led blink?

So it works!

Check the transission MIDI channel of the keyboard if it's matching the receiving MIDI channel of the connected device.

spawn · Post by **spawn** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:44 pm

i will go to the studio tommorw..or today

, and review all the equipment
the korg transmit to that device..dsp or whatever it is
it does not transmit to creamware
when i connect any midi device to creamware it does not see anything, or small "bubles"..just like me right now..is 2:42 in the morning, i'll go to sleep

i will come tommorw more specific( related to equipment) if u still have the patience
thanks a lot for this till now

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:48 am

there's a very simple method to check if the card's physical connections are ok:

connect the 'screen' midi keyboard from the Scope Midi menu to 'Midi Destination', connect the midi monitor to 'Midi Source.
Connect the physical midi out with midi in at the cable whip - then you should see midi note events if you click the virtual keys.

that 'special device' you mention might expect a sync source or initialisation or is switchable between midi and 'to host' mode or whatever.

if the simple loopback test from above fails, but otherwise midi via the sequencer source destination is working as expected (and the cable whip's connectors(!) are physically OK), then one of the optocouplers could be damaged.

good luck, Tom

spawn · Post by **spawn** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:42 pm

i don't wanna look like somebody that started a discution and run in the middle of it, but this week there is a lot of work at the studio and there is no room for "that freak computer guy"

next week, at the end i established to study the midi problem and i will tell you the results