New CreamWare products in Frankfurt

spiderman · Post by **spiderman** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:56 am

650 euros for a P5 !!!
no enough expensive my son .. it won't sell well .
people will not believe it sound good !
but us yes !

i think it's designed for live keyboardist (I am ) ; and the profit5 looks really really interesting . the noah was more like an external plug ins . but this ones looks so sexy

[ This Message was edited by: spiderman on 2005-04-07 11:12 ]

AEP · Post by **AEP** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:36 am

On 2005-04-04 08:35, piddi wrote:
its not lioke osx users cant use this, it does offer standard midi in/outs.

exactly!!! midi in/out, audio in/out. why would you want to use a software editor when you have the box right in front of you? am i missing something here?

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:20 am

why would you want to use a software editor when you have the box right in front of you? am i missing something here?

In which case why bother with a PC editor then?

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spiderman · Post by **spiderman** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:34 am

"In which case why bother with a PC editor then?"

because it looks nice on the screen too ..

from the first day CW has the best looking plug ever . the bigger the better ..

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:48 am

If you can't integrate it into VST, it isn't interesting on either Mac or PC. So standard MIDI I/O would be what I'd use anyway.

AEP · Post by **AEP** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:44 pm

On 2005-04-07 11:20, Mr Arkadin wrote:
why would you want to use a software editor when you have the box right in front of you? am i missing something here?

In which case why bother with a PC editor then?

[ This Message was edited by: Mr Arkadin on 2005-04-07 11:39 ]

i wouldn't. if a piece of hardware has a nice user interface (like these two units do) why would you want to edit on the computer screen? i can understand for rack mounted gear that you can't get to easily, or gear with crappy user interfaces...

these look like fun to edit with.

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:46 pm

The examples on the site sound great! Reminds me of the modular's sound quality.

R

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:05 am

Yes - there are some very good sounds there.

sharc · Post by **sharc** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:37 am

These boxes look great and if properly marketed, they should do really well.

A few people seem to think that vst integration is some sort of necessity though. I really don't understand this. I mean if you said to Clavia that their next Nord Lead would be a complete waste of time unless you could run it as a vsti do you think they would take you seriously ...of course not. You only have to take a look at the G2 demo and the accompanying blurb to get a grasp of their attitude towards computer power & stability.

IMHO VST integration would be a bonus, but only if it's 100%. You wouldn't want to see a hardware synth fail, simply because of lack of stability with VST. It's kind of like with the Noah and how it can be used as an audio interface. This is a nice bonus, but wouldn't have made much of a difference as to whether people bought the machine or not.

sharc · Post by **sharc** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:53 am

...Speaking of which. I'm surprised that SFP integration doesn't seem to be as much of an issue. Personally, I'm a little baffled as to why the Noah never had this.

ie. a Noah Source and Dest device which allows for audio and midi coming to and from the Noah via USB to be accessed from within SFP instead of having to route it up through your sequencer. So that's what I would be asking for when it comes to the ASB boxes. - proper audio and midi communication with SFP.

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:27 am

Yeah, seriously, if you want VST integration, you can just buy the Minimax and Profit5 plugins and run them in XTC mode?

mano · Post by **mano** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:08 am

Something I love which hopefully will not be overlooked by people:

There is NO menu! Everything is in front of you, not "under" the hood of these boxes. This is BIG TIME the right way to go when designing hardware UI.

This reminds me of how the new Poly Evolver Keyboard is.

I really hope people will realize that this "small" detail makes a huge difference in the way one is inspired and "enabled" by a hardware device.

This is something I was missing on the Virus B I had for years.. The "millions" of features and possibilities seemed available, but in fact one had to scroll through endless menus and options... I actually sold it to get a vintage Micromoog: very limited, but everything right in front of you.

My 2 cents

Thanks CW and keep up the good work. Good luck with these new devices, and with getting people to appreciate the details.

Manuel "Limitations and Creativity" Clement
Future Producers
http://www.FutureProducers.com

[ This Message was edited by: mano on 2005-04-08 11:12 ]

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:27 am

Absolutely.. I really love the Nord Lead for this too.

One thing which I wouldn't mind seeing a menu for is a flexible Multi mode where you could assign up to 6 patches on 6 different MIDI channels. I *really* hope they implement this, as it would make the synth pretty irresistable.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:34 pm

that would be nice, but seeing as they only have one stereo out it's unlikely there'll be any multimode.
For 6 parts multi they would have to be really powerful as well (if you want to have mutliple voices for each part). I think with the 6 voices they have, they're about as powerful as a Pulsar II.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:46 pm

I meant 6 mono patches at the same time. You're right, with a stereo out it wouldn't be that great.. although a 2-part multi, using the output as dual mono, would be useful.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:35 pm

heh, well even if i just got 6 voices, its still a rock solid polymoog, midicontrollable right out of the box. and its a steal.

the only reason i see for "vsti integration" is preset mangling.

good work, cant wait to its released so people can open it and see what dsps creamware audio has based their gen 3 range on

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:02 pm

On 2005-04-08 22:35, piddi wrote:
the only reason i see for "vsti integration" is preset mangling.

I disagree. The default standard in the home / hobby studio market is VSTi. If your instrument doesn't work as a VSTi then you're not in the main game.

I'm sure a lot of people here work differently - but then because of SFP you have to work different !

I'm talking about the 'mainstream' market - new markets that CWA need to tap into. That's VSTi.

If they can't work as VSTi then they're just nice retro hardware boxes and nothing more.

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:05 pm

Harder to pirate the hardware box tho =P

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:12 am

... the 90 percent marketshare contributing to 10 percent of the revenues

possibly CWA even has a 'negative' image out there just BECAUSE they prevent people from peeking at the products via a cr*ck.
Not that those dudes are dishonest, no - they ALL would buy it of course

... but they just don't appreciate a company that puts THEM 'out of control' (?)

Sales is applied psychology and only marginally based on facts and rational decisions - I've been on the sales front long enough to know that.
I really didn't believe the nonsense they told us on sales trainings etc, until I gave it a try out of curiosity.

Indeed, it worked as predicted - I watched myself as a customer - I reacted as predicted, at least to a degree because for obvious reasons I was 'pre-warned'

cheers, Tom

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:22 am

On 2005-04-09 00:02, Spirit wrote:

I disagree. The default standard in the home / hobby studio market is VSTi. If your instrument doesn't work as a VSTi then you're not in the main game.

I'm sure a lot of people here work differently - but then because of SFP you have to work different !

I'm talking about the 'mainstream' market - new markets that CWA need to tap into. That's VSTi.

If they can't work as VSTi then they're just nice retro hardware boxes and nothing more.

In the 90% of studios I've stepped in, they have hardware boxes to make sounds, and VSTi's are seen as marginal.

In live situations although you can see someone with a nice laptop connected too, the use of hardware boxes is even higher.

Those boxes have what Noah missed, the real live operativity, and the fact that they can be also managed via USB plus traditional MIDI ports it's all they need, and even more.

Consider how convenient is for a musician to be able to to work with full satisfaction at home with such wonderful sounds and to be able to replicate it live.

These boxes only need to be heard and seen.