Looking for brillant Mod3 and/or Flex Acoustic Guitar

sonicstrav · Post by **sonicstrav** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:54 pm

Has anyone done an acoustic guitar patch as good as the the demo (for the G2) on Clavia's web site? Or could someone do it? (I can't - I'm still learning the thing !)

Thanks

doof · Post by **doof** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:30 pm

I know exactly the patch you mean, it's actually a preset on the G2. Indeed it is impressive.
My Scope Project is on the way, so I can't help you with a patch but I do have a suggestion.

You can download the G2 editor and the factory bank from clavia's site-- it works without a G2. Then just replicate it with Mod3 modules

I'm pretty sure it's one of the first 20 patches with guitar in the title, if I recall correctly (I sold it about a month ago).

[ This Message was edited by: doof on 2004-12-15 18:31 ]

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:49 pm

follow the links in this thread
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=5&10
to the Python modular patch - it should do the trick.
The extended standalone 'Pro' version can do it for sure and a lot of other 'virtual acoustic' stuff, too

cheers, Tom

sonicstrav · Post by **sonicstrav** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:36 pm

Hee hee! I'll try that

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:36 am

The G2 has a plucked string oscillator. Creamware simply does not have that.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:08 pm

they even have a patented one: SixString

don't forget the Clavias are supposed to be preset instruments in a life situation (at least that's how I understand their ads) - and they seem to do their job well.

but from sonic capabilities they are light years behind SFP and what you can cludge together in a few minutes - or half a day if you get the hang on it

cheers, Tom

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:40 pm

On 2005-03-03 16:08, astroman wrote:
but from sonic capabilities they are light years behind SFP and what you can cludge together in a few minutes - or half a day if you get the hang on it

That's bogus, SFP/M3/Flexor are great, but Clavia's synth engine more than proved itself at this point in time, sorry =P

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:57 am

I didn't comment the synth engine itself, but overall system capabilities - and I doubt a Nord has the sound variety of a patch setup containing SixString, Minimax, Vectron and a few Flexor modules.
All could be routed to interact with each other, so one could consider this a kind of mega-modular patch...

cheers, Tom

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:47 am

Ok, so the systems exist in neighbouring realms but they have they're own strengths and week spots. They're different, but my G*D, do they sound good together. Complimenting one with the other is where it's at for us...for the moment.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:42 pm

Okay, I should have been more specific, I meant that the Creamware (TM) modular synthesizer series does not contain a plucked string osillator. I own the Nord G2 and the Creamware (TM) Modular III + Flexor. A modular synthesizer by definition can make an *unlimited* amount of sounds from the plucked guitar which the Creamware (TM) modular series can not do, to a very convincing sound of water. The Nord has a very beautiful warm sound. The patches load quickly and it is a pleasure to use. Another good thing about the Nord G2 is that it never causes your computer to bomb.

ReD_MuZe · Post by **ReD_MuZe** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:13 am

actualy creamware does have something of the sort. its calld a comb filter.
and with it and a burst of white noise you can easily create a karplus string model. (plucked string oscillator)

modular never caused my computer to crash. altho i do get SFP only crashes. just like G2's interface crashes. no software is free of bugs

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braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:57 am

Come to think of it the Modular III is stable. Did they fix that preset bug? That was abhorrent. You do need a lot of DSP for a substantial patch I think.

Michu · Post by **Michu** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:24 pm

AFAIK, saving and reloading patch before starting making presets is enough of a workaround (making presets on patch that you still tweak makes no sense anyway)

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:54 pm

Saving and reloading doh! I didn't know that!

Joxer the Mighty · Post by **Joxer the Mighty** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:17 pm

Unless I'm mistaken, the G2 plucked string oscillator is just that, a comb filter with a burst of noise run through it.

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kiminet · Post by **kiminet** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:58 pm

The Tassman modularsynth is ideal for emulating acoustic instruments.
http://www.applied-acoustics.com/tassman.htm

Kim

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:05 am

The basic system of a string is discribed by a KarplusStrong model.

Delay line with feedback. Delaytimes are for tuning the thing and you indeed use a very short envelope over a noise osc to trigger the system. Maybe a filterbank to filter the noise witch is a big factor in the outcome on how your virtual string will sound.

Or maybe a waveguide system wich is a more complex system.

I think if you'd go from there you'd be on your way in 10 min.

cheers

Casper