No programmers @ Creamware anymore?

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:29 am

On 2005-02-04 10:36, elektrolurch wrote:
Hi,
so if you look back at my article, the problems I see are not only the plugins but we will not see a new SFP 5 in the future. SFP cannot be a third party product.

Why on earth do you want an SFP 5.0? I'd rather Creamware fix the bugs in their modules (like STS, Modular) than have something 'new' purely for novelty's sake - if it isn't broke, why fix it? New products - not really a priority, but by all means, how about a new sampler with a better interface, or a vocal harmonizer, or a brass instrument physical modeller, or a CS-80 or Oberheim, or ...

At this point, the platform doesn't limit me at all. Most of my problems are my own laziness and limited talent, not to be blamed on the software. I hope Creamware does the right things financially so they will be there to provide support on that gloomy day when my card finally dies.

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:02 pm

Like Liquid Len says =P

I'm pretty happy with 4.0, and I for one am not a fan of upgrading software too often (if it's not broken, don't fix it.) In fact, I'd happily go back to 3.1c since it worked pretty much perfectly here.

SFP machine is a p3-700@933, in the uber0nifty midnite blue case too.

I'd agree that CW marketing hasn't been perfect, but I'd rather have that and functional hardware, than great marketing and shoddy products =P.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:11 pm

Using 3rd parties is a good thing as Adern proved by putting Creamware to shame with modules that sound so much better than theirs do.

The problem with Creamware is really bad marketing. We have all seen companies that produce horrendous products which make tons of money. It's all in the marketing.

Mat@Audio_Fiction · Post by **Mat@Audio_Fiction** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:47 am

i own a 3 card pulsar system...

i recently bought 1 UAD and + powercore firewire....herm....herm herm...(it's obvious they have some cash to invest...quality speaks...)

CREAMWARE HAS TO PROPOSE NEW THINGS REALLY QUICKLY...they can as always rely on old customer to boost the forums but they really must do sumtin....
sometimes i'm wondering why do i keep my creamware system.....ok ok i'm very used to it and i love the unik flexibility it gives....but frankly...could they put something else that AUDI music making or or i don't know what....WTF!!!!

I think we're the most patient customers ever.... regarding what happens all around creamware....
what the hell a masterverb compared to a dreamverb....what the hell a vinco compared to a uad urei...what the hell....
without timeworks and bowen + adern....herm herm herm....

we need new things cause we like that.....i like technology...am'i faulty???

C'MON NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:39 am

you're absolutely right about the marketing - regarding UAD an TC

but do really smart customers believe all and everything that's presented to them ?

UAD revitalizes their old hardware, nothing wrong with that, but not exactly innovative.
Which also applies to the reappearance of TC hardware on their cards and boxes.

The most 'exiting' fact is the reduced cost due to the R&D already done and reduced 'package' size. Of course that washes some cash in.

There's a Powercore Virus and the infamous Oxford. Again rebranding - so what ?

This may not apply to you, but I'm totally convinced that not even 25% of the customers of the afforementioned boards are able to correctly name their plugs under double blind conditions.

Money and big names just sparkle too much - poor me can afford a (realworld) $20K compressor... or the parts of a mega console - that IS pleasing, but not exactly convincing

cheers, Tom

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:31 am

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 5&forum=31

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:36 am

gear lust... can't have enough... never will... "I WANT MY MTV"

those who are not satisfied with the products creamware offers -or for the matter almost any other audio company these days- will always ask for more. That will never end

i'm just glad i can get home, switch on the box and start playing...

record as many tracks as i want without losing focus on a song

produce something decent within a day

not worry about crashes while doing it

find the synth sound i'm looking for within 10 mins

select from a vast array of drum kits and get a groove going in a snap

concentrate on production rather than technique

forget the machine

I'm even glad i sometimes forget to save a song until the idea is stamped in memory!

wish i was 12 yrs old again

lucky bastards

oh LOOK! that dangerous 2 bus MUST be DA shit!

log off and go record something good

Post by **hubird** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:11 am

those types who just come in and start shouting 'I want...', preferrable in capitals, are so boring.
I bet he will never answer or come back here.
They use a forum as kind of a toilet, leaving behind the dirt and that's it.

I know one thing: people who use capitals, are used to the fact that nobody ever listens to them

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:27 am

yeah a bit sad.. and some of them never even try to tape anything. This is supposed to be a music product forum built around the concept of helping out each other with tech issues and has moved into a little bit more (ok a lot more

) than that. but it's definitely not a place to yell "i want that new corvette"

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:19 am

Besides, if they're like(which I am sure of) they haven't even scratched the surface of what SFP can do in the first place.

I love legros's "Forget the machine" That is exactly what I am living now that my computer is completely stable.

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Are we listening?..

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Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:47 am

isn't it great

what those people haven't understood yet is that a sound played alone will only reveal part of the quality of an audio product. yeah sure it's fun to just play around with presets but a good way to find out about it is by piecing a tune together using a brands gear. or just a verse, an intro, a chorus, a outro, whatever part of a song your knowledge allows you to do. Creamware blends so easily with everything around, it's magic

one question often being asked on music forums these days is "what gear do you recommend to do good/fat/quality/off the top/incredible/etc techno?"

well ya know,

your brain!

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:55 am

Now we're back to "It's not what you got, it's how you use it..."

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:44 pm

On 2005-02-10 04:47, Mat@Audio_Fiction wrote:

we need new things cause we like that.....i like technology...am'i faulty???

C'MON NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dunno.

They haven't been perfect, for sure.

But how about you name one, just ONE comparable product. Just one =P

Good luck =P

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:50 pm

I'm not after any new product in particular, nor would I want a constant stream of average devices to pour out every month, but....

Some evidence of activity at CWA would inspire a bit more faith and confidence.

A few posts here at the Z would be nice too. Seems most other developers - big & small - can manage occasional communication with their users.

valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:59 pm

I don't think its fair to compare Creamware products to one of the highest profile synth makers in business at the moment. And remmeber not even Access can afford the PR campaigns and R&D that Korg/Roland/Yamaha can. And that trio would never have been able to afford to develop the chip that is used in the UAD1 ($60 million R&D) and so on it goes....

Of course market economics in a capitalistic society aren't terribly 'fair' either.

valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:20 pm

Well a lot of the OS updates from Access did more bugfixing (what the VIRUS had BUGS?!?!) than it did add new features. Also the features that were moved back into the B series as 'freebies' were parts of the C code that were likly easily ported. The resonant filter was nice but honestly its the only thing the C series has over the b other than the (digital sounding) eq per part (and a bit more poly and an extra mod destination or two). I think the 'Live Bar' from CW was a signifactly greater 'freebie' (although that was some time ago for sure).

As for the SDK, it also made some people quite mad. Then there is the communication, Frank has posted here in the past and things he's said have been held against Creamware as much as its helped keep people excited (people percieve everything as firm promises).

I'm playing devil's advocate here because there are reasons I can think of that Creamware might be more inclined to focus on their current projects. Besides they are surely aware of the 50% off 'bug' and haven't really bothered to resolve that so you can't say they're not giving us anything