tripledat LE announced, €149
It is the next year now and the tripleDat version I purchased still is nothing more than a beta version. It is full of bugs and crashes when entering certain plugs on the routing window. I can´t see this has anything to do with PC setup etc. Scope 4 is functioning smoothly throughout!On 2004-12-21 15:16, garyb wrote:
tdat is not even finalized YET. these things will likely be addressed in due time. it is already almost next year....
I suggest that every registered user of tripleDATLE at this time submits decent reports to CW describing the various bugs. CW in turn should commit itself to solving these promptly or give us our money back. Also,CW should reward us for the trouble with either software credits or a free upgrade to the full version.
ALL OTHERS ARE ADVISED TO NOT BUY THE APP BUT AWAIT CW ANNOUNCEMENTS
DO NOT PURCHASE TRIPLEDATLE UNLESS CW PROVIDES A CRASHFREE and BUGFREE VERSION!
I am following this forum for some time now. You are a bunch of faithful users and CW should honour that by providing reliable high quality products.
the TripleDAT LE application does not meet such standards by far and should not have been up for sale. I unfortunately bought the app and it turns out to be no more than a crashy beta version full of bugs, with a functionality far less than scope offers.
But, hey, let´s help CW develop this into a high quality app and send them your bug reports. CW in return should honour that by providing fixes asap and offering registered users either some software credits or a free upgrade to the full version in return.
I am following this forum for some time now. You are a bunch of faithful users and CW should honour that by providing reliable high quality products.
the TripleDAT LE application does not meet such standards by far and should not have been up for sale. I unfortunately bought the app and it turns out to be no more than a crashy beta version full of bugs, with a functionality far less than scope offers.
But, hey, let´s help CW develop this into a high quality app and send them your bug reports. CW in return should honour that by providing fixes asap and offering registered users either some software credits or a free upgrade to the full version in return.
I have just send the following bugreport to Creamware. I urge you to do the same
Here is my bug report to Creamware concerning the tripleDAt LE application. It contains some work arounds you may seem helpful in still trying to get some function out of this application.
System description:
Pentium 1,5 GHz, 256 MB RAM, 30 GB harddisk, WINXP PRo, sp2
AUDIO: CW LUNA on IRQ 3
Incidents:
application crashes as soon as effect module is loaded in routing window. (reproducible)
application crashed when trying to open File Browser (happened once)
system completely crashed while working on a loop in the cutter (happened once)
Bugs:
SPDIF does not work, in sample rate screen, spdif port is positively recognized, but not functioning.This is related to differences in sample rate. If sample rates of external device and arrangement match, the connection works. This should be explained in manual.
Loop function in cutter: when you change the selection while the loop is running, the resulting selection is not looped properly
ST2652 mixer: double click on pan window changes C>R, then L. slider does not move correspondingly
with multitrack recording, there is no input fft monitoring. Also, the display lags behind.
the arranger window does not display stereo waves. In the cutter window a stereo wave can be displayed but I cannot edit a single channel.
identical marker numbers can exist.
in the cutter, clicking on the CTL button does not work
in the arranger menu, the stop button does not always appear.
idem: moving a sample is often stuttering, changing the zoom solves this....
Macro editor: descriptions for several functions are in German.
if you click save as: the header states: Makro speichern
File browser: 44,1 kHz files can be dragged into the arranger, but not prelistened if arrangement is in 48 kHz!
File browser: long file names are displayed way out of the player box!
File browser: it is not possible to drag files into cutter.
track: trackname entered in arranger window is not inherited to channel strip or mixer. Entry in mixer inherits to strip but not to arranger.
manual:
lots of German words in English manual. Very sloppy!!
macro function is not described
Questions:
How can one add a new macro? For example one that opens the mixer?
Change requests (For the LE version):
- add midi functionality to allow remote control of the mixer and effects.
- allow simple cuts in the cutter
- allow sample import in the cutter (I see this as a bug)
Tips and tricks
1. Make sure sample rates of all devices and samples match! Default should be 44,1 kHz.
2. remove all effects for which you have no licence from the tripledat source directory. It helps you from getting really frustrated!
3. Do not import effects into the arranger window, instead use the DSP mixer setting and import them directly into the channel strips.
Here is my bug report to Creamware concerning the tripleDAt LE application. It contains some work arounds you may seem helpful in still trying to get some function out of this application.
System description:
Pentium 1,5 GHz, 256 MB RAM, 30 GB harddisk, WINXP PRo, sp2
AUDIO: CW LUNA on IRQ 3
Incidents:
application crashes as soon as effect module is loaded in routing window. (reproducible)
application crashed when trying to open File Browser (happened once)
system completely crashed while working on a loop in the cutter (happened once)
Bugs:
SPDIF does not work, in sample rate screen, spdif port is positively recognized, but not functioning.This is related to differences in sample rate. If sample rates of external device and arrangement match, the connection works. This should be explained in manual.
Loop function in cutter: when you change the selection while the loop is running, the resulting selection is not looped properly
ST2652 mixer: double click on pan window changes C>R, then L. slider does not move correspondingly
with multitrack recording, there is no input fft monitoring. Also, the display lags behind.
the arranger window does not display stereo waves. In the cutter window a stereo wave can be displayed but I cannot edit a single channel.
identical marker numbers can exist.
in the cutter, clicking on the CTL button does not work
in the arranger menu, the stop button does not always appear.
idem: moving a sample is often stuttering, changing the zoom solves this....
Macro editor: descriptions for several functions are in German.
if you click save as: the header states: Makro speichern
File browser: 44,1 kHz files can be dragged into the arranger, but not prelistened if arrangement is in 48 kHz!
File browser: long file names are displayed way out of the player box!
File browser: it is not possible to drag files into cutter.
track: trackname entered in arranger window is not inherited to channel strip or mixer. Entry in mixer inherits to strip but not to arranger.
manual:
lots of German words in English manual. Very sloppy!!
macro function is not described
Questions:
How can one add a new macro? For example one that opens the mixer?
Change requests (For the LE version):
- add midi functionality to allow remote control of the mixer and effects.
- allow simple cuts in the cutter
- allow sample import in the cutter (I see this as a bug)
Tips and tricks
1. Make sure sample rates of all devices and samples match! Default should be 44,1 kHz.
2. remove all effects for which you have no licence from the tripledat source directory. It helps you from getting really frustrated!
3. Do not import effects into the arranger window, instead use the DSP mixer setting and import them directly into the channel strips.
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Tips and tricks
1. Make sure sample rates of all devices and samples match! Default should be 44,1 kHz.
2. remove all effects for which you have no licence from the tripledat source directory. It helps you from getting really frustrated!
3. Do not import effects into the arranger window, instead use the DSP mixer setting and import them directly into the channel strips.
....
For my idea,
I also bought TripleDAT LE but I'm quite happy with the program. The Tip and Tricks you wrote seems to be very common.
1. How you would expect DIGITAL to work for all devices if you have each devices in different sample rate? Have you ever connect digital device to work together in different sample rate in any other system? For this thing it's good to not blame others.
2. You expect no license software to work well in your system? Ok, Is you TripleDAT licensed?
3. Actually that is the better way to work in TripleDAT. But for me, I've no problem loading devices in routing window. But I doubt that can you load device directly in arranger window? Is it arranger window or routing window?
....
Tips and tricks
1. Make sure sample rates of all devices and samples match! Default should be 44,1 kHz.
2. remove all effects for which you have no licence from the tripledat source directory. It helps you from getting really frustrated!
3. Do not import effects into the arranger window, instead use the DSP mixer setting and import them directly into the channel strips.
....
For my idea,
I also bought TripleDAT LE but I'm quite happy with the program. The Tip and Tricks you wrote seems to be very common.
1. How you would expect DIGITAL to work for all devices if you have each devices in different sample rate? Have you ever connect digital device to work together in different sample rate in any other system? For this thing it's good to not blame others.
2. You expect no license software to work well in your system? Ok, Is you TripleDAT licensed?
3. Actually that is the better way to work in TripleDAT. But for me, I've no problem loading devices in routing window. But I doubt that can you load device directly in arranger window? Is it arranger window or routing window?
1. I do not blame Creamware other than for releasing a version which is clearly faulty in many respects and for a manual that is incomplete (can you tell me how to add new macro´s?).
2. Any individual buying tripleDAt and not having licences for effects pack II, will be burdened by the fact that all effects appear. This does not happen in Scope.
3. Opening effects in the routing window crashes the system, opening them directly in the mixer slots, does not.
4. Do add some uncommon tips and tricks, We can all benefit from that.
2. Any individual buying tripleDAt and not having licences for effects pack II, will be burdened by the fact that all effects appear. This does not happen in Scope.
3. Opening effects in the routing window crashes the system, opening them directly in the mixer slots, does not.
4. Do add some uncommon tips and tricks, We can all benefit from that.
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FYI tripleDAT is THE best audio editor on the market and I've had plenty of opportunity to assess many different systems ... Pro Tools, SADIE, Soundscape, DSP Postation, Cool Edit Pro, Wavelab, Sound Forge etc. Wavelab and Magix Music Studio don't even come close! 3DAT can perform many functions in real time 'on the fly' ... functions which the others have to stop and render! Here I'm talking about 3DAT v3.11. tripleDAT LE is a very poor attempt. I have it and I really don't like it so I've gone back to using 3.11. Hopefully Creamware will do a much better job of a new "full" version of tripleDAT.On 2005-01-08 19:55, strav100 wrote:
Personally, I can't see any point in using tripleDAT. A normal wave editor like Wave Lab must be better - or even the MAGIX music studio (£49)
Perhaps creamware should work on what they are best at - synth emulations - effects - any do a decent SAMPLER like Kontakt or Halion that uses a mixture of DSP/RAM/HD streaming !!!!!!!!!!