SDK 6 installation

Greetings, I am installing SDK 6 and it leaves a message to me

ROCAtom:: error
cannot load sim.dll

after ok it leaves another message

ROCAtom:: error
c: /program you case out/scope6 sdk xite (x64) /app/bin/sim2k

and finally
Cannot start SCOPE
Could not gain Access to the SCOPE hardware!

can somebody help me?

Thank you very much!!!

you can only have 14/15dsp cards or an XITE. SDK doesn't work with smaller cards in the computer.

xite 1 it´s my gear...

is this when you try to import the key?

No this is when I attempt to open the SDK 6 application.

I'm also experiencing the exact same issue. I'm using Win 7 64bit.

I haven't had time for trouble shooting yet.

I have sent a mail to the support of sonic Core and I hope of answer.

I did mail them and got the following response :

are you running the SDK "as administrator"? (right click on the SDK icon, choose "run as administrator", answer "yes" to the warning message asking if it's ok to allow SDK to make changes to the system)

Scope is closed while running SDK, yes?

But i didn't had time for any further investigation, so if you find a solution it would be highly appreciated.

Quick note for those who have SDK 6 running - do any of you use Win 7 64bit?

I don't run it on W7, 64 bits, my new laptop doesn't have a card slot. So I'm running it on 2 Vista laptops 32 bits.
I had some problems. SDK6 quitted by deleting modules. After Gay's advice to install and run it as an Administrator those problems were solved.

the current 64bit download may have a problem.

i'm on it...

I had the same problem on initial installation of SDK6. I assumed from this discussion that there was no solution, so chatted to Holger about it. Anyway, a couple of days later I accidentally launched the SDK6 and it worked fine. No idea what changed in the meantime, could have just needed a reboot, or maybe running it as Administrator fixed something that then needed a reboot. Either way, it loads up fine now.

For reference, I'm on Windows 7 64bit. Also, I chatted to Holger about the remove module bug, which he is aware of and hopes will be fixed soon.

Win7 x64 worx here
good vibes

Win7 x64 worx here
good vibes

can you explain a little better?

It is not possible to use it for all the other users.....

Not all, it works fine now for me, although I experienced the same issue when I first tried to use it.

Only things that happened between it not working and it working were the following (not necessarily in that order!):

- I ran it in Administrator mode (although it didn't work in that mode originally)
- I ran Scope 5.1
- I rebooted the machine (possibly a few times)

I have Xite-1 and Win7 64bit

Not all, it works fine now for me, although I experienced the same issue when I first tried to use it.

Only things that happened between it not working and it working were the following (not necessarily in that order!):

- I ran it in Administrator mode (although it didn't work in that mode originally)
- I ran Scope 5.1
- I rebooted the machine (possibly a few times)

I have Xite-1 and Win7 64bit

what i get on win 64 bit when starting sdk 6 in administrator mode

ROCAtom::error
cannot load sim.dll

then after accepting the error:

ROCAtom::error
c:/program files (x86)/scope6 sdk xite(x64)/app/bin/sim2k

then

Cannot start SCOPE
Could not gain access to the SCOPE hardware

I'll try to run scope 5.1 even if i don't see the relationship between this and sdk 6 problem....

Actually I could be lying. I do remember fannying around with .dll files that looked a bit like sim.dll and renaming them to see if that was the issue. However, at the time it didn't fix it. Maybe it required fannying followed by a reboot.

no reboot or whatsever_
sim2k.dll is in app/bin folder as well as in app/converter5_1
what does a search in explorer vibes tell you?

Hi Thomas,

Are you using SDK6 with Xite-1?

Thanks,
Will

yes vibes

But note that the error displayed is "cannot load sim.dll", not sim2k.dll

well whatever;
this is the 1 u need_

Yeah, I'll have to check when I'm at home, as it's probably the copying of that file as sim.dll that fixed the problem then (possibly the same with the missing directory).

no they are NOT the same even with the same name in scope xite 5_1 and sdk6
i think sim.dll is a catch (exception e) relict from win98
good vibes

Hmm, I checked and I certainly don't have a sim.dll now anyway. Here's what I get when searching for sim2k, which looks similar, although not identical, to what you have.

Sim2K.png (84.4 KiB) Viewed 4722 times

Either way, it's working ok for me now but wasn't at some point and isn't working for others. Mysterious!

could be i have relicts from beta testing_
good vibes

Hi all,

I have the same problem with SDK6, I get this error message "cannot load sim.dll" followed by other error messages. I run win7 64bit with a Luna 2 card and a 15DSP expansion first gen, with Scope 5.1. Already emailed the problem to Sonic Core and the workaround suggested was indeed running as admin the installer and the program, after uninstalling everything else, but it didn't work for me.

Also, I am planning to learn the SDK, and I understand the SDK6 is really different from SDK5. Do you suggest starting to learn SDK5 to do devices and then move to SDK6, or wait until the problem is solved and start clean with SDK6? The learning curve is not that easy...

Thank you!

Victor

Do you suggest starting to learn SDK5 to do devices and then move to SDK6, or wait until the problem is solved and start clean with SDK6?

If you have SDK5 and it's working on your system then yes, I would recommend learning to use it.

At the very least it will help you to learn about the DSP modules and the circuits you can build with them.

This knowledge can be carried across to SDK6 when you start to use it. You might even find yourself continuing to use SDK5 alongside SDK6.

If you have SDK5 and it's working on your system then yes, I would recommend learning to use it.

At the very least it will help you to learn about the DSP modules and the circuits you can build with them.

This knowledge can be carried across to SDK6 when you start to use it. You might even find yourself continuing to use SDK5 alongside SDK6.

Thank you Shark! So the SDK6 is not that far from SDK5 after all, right? Yes, I have the SDK5 and it's working fine. Good to hear I can use both at the same time. I can load projects from SDK5 in 6?

So the SDK6 is not that far from SDK5 after all, right? Yes, I have the SDK5 and it's working fine. Good to hear I can use both at the same time. I can load projects from SDK5 in 6?

There are huge differences between the two but certainly with the 32bit PCI versions the drivers are compatible and modules can be loaded / converted in both directions. GUI elements (GOs) aren't compatible though.

So the SDK6 is not that far from SDK5 after all, right? Yes, I have the SDK5 and it's working fine. Good to hear I can use both at the same time. I can load projects from SDK5 in 6?

There are huge differences between the two but certainly with the 32bit PCI versions the drivers are compatible and modules can be loaded / converted in both directions. GUI elements (GOs) aren't compatible though.

Great, thanks! So I can load in SDK6 a project created in SDK5? Or I have to do it again from scratch, knowing that all the modules are there? Except the GUI elements, of course.

Great, thanks! So I can load in SDK6 a project created in SDK5? Or I have to do it again from scratch, knowing that all the modules are there? Except the GUI elements, of course.

If you fold your circuit and save it as a module [in SDK5] then copy the module to the SDK6 devices folder it can be loaded from the SDK6 right-click context menu.

A circuit created in SDK6 can be converted to an SDK5 compatible module using the Converter Tool.

I have a new lead in the sim.dll mystery. I accidently tried to launch the SDK6 while Scope 5.1 was running in the background and the sim.dll error popped up (I'm now running 32bit, so hadn't seen it on the new install before). Closed 5.1 down and reopening SDK6 back up again and all is well again.

Hope this helps other people get up and running.

yes, you can't run both afaik...

yes, you can't run both afaik...

Correct. It's always been the case that you can't load both applications at the same time. Earlier versions of the SDK give a warning when you try to run them at the same time as their equivalent Scope version. Something like - 'Cannot Start ScopeSDK - Please close all Creamware applications before starting ScopeSDK'.

When you try to load SDK6 while Scope5 is running it will give you....

'Cannot start software because board(s) or driver not properly installed. Please check installation.'

followed by...

'ROCAtom::error Cannot load sim.dll'

then...

'ROCAtom::error ...Scope6 sdk pci/app/bin/sim2k'

then...

'Cannot Start SCOPE Could not gain access to the SCOPE hardware!'

before finally giving you a crash report prompt.

...One of the things needing tidied up

Sorry, should have written more in the previous post. When I was having problems on 64 bit, I wasn't running Scope in the background, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't the same issue. However, I do think that seeing the same error message could point to there being a related issue, e.g. the relevant module being locked by another process somehow, or the SDK having a strict rule about exclusive access to it.

I'm not having the problem on the 64 bit install anymore, so it's not something that would be easy for me to investigate more, but maybe if others are, they might want to try out some things like turning off DEP for the SDK application, or checking virus scanner settings.