## MADI

Device/Module Wishlist

Original topic on PlanetZ: https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31660

#### MADI

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:27 am
by timstoel
I would love to see a MADI interface for that expansion port on the back... Xite with the SSL AlphaLink would be awesome.
Tim

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:59 am
by garyb
the expansion port on the back of the unit would allow this. it's very possible. all everyone needs to do is convince Juergen at Ferrofish to make the MADI to x/tdm convertoer(he's the XITE designer). he'll need money to design and prototype....
actually, this is very high on my wishlist.
btw-using a summing box with the XITE is an exercise in unneeded redundancy(imho)....

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:43 pm
by wouterz
Have you voted yet?
https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=31091

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:59 pm
by Bud Weiser

> garyb wrote: btw-using a summing box with the XITE is an exercise in unneeded redundancy(imho)....

Confirmed !
It IS a summing box and more flexible than any other passive summing box out there.
And it´s cheaper compared to many others because you don´t need the separate sound card and converters to feed the passive summing box, instead use ASIO directly to SCOPE environment.
Cables obsolete in addition.
MADI would be great, no question.
Bud

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:43 pm
by niceboy

> garyb wrote:the expansion port on the back of the unit would allow this. it's very possible. all everyone needs to do is convince Juergen at Ferrofish to make the MADI to x/tdm convertoer(he's the XITE designer). he'll need money to design and prototype....
> actually, this is very high on my wishlist.
> btw-using a summing box with the XITE is an exercise in unneeded redundancy(imho)....

That is great , but is he working on the routing part also,
or are you still trying to have MADI to external mixers.
We dont do that , we go back into Scope , mastering for live usage .
Bear

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:05 pm
by garyb
MADI is just an i/o protocol. having MADI allows 64 ins and outs, which would be in the routing window just like any other i/o.

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:17 pm
by niceboy

> garyb wrote:MADI is just an i/o protocol. having MADI allows 64 ins and outs, which would be in the routing window just like any other i/o.

Thats great ,
because if having BNC sync on all units , it can be putted in a circuit ,
with for example , a MADI soundcard and also a converter from MADI to ADAT.
That means you can connect a lot of ADAT with both Xite and the MADI card.
Just great action by Ferrofish.
Bear

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:27 pm
by jksuperstar

> garyb wrote:the expansion port on the back of the unit would allow this. it's very possible. all everyone needs to do is convince Juergen at Ferrofish to make the MADI to x/tdm convertoer(he's the XITE designer). he'll need money to design and prototype....
> actually, this is very high on my wishlist.
> btw-using a summing box with the XITE is an exercise in unneeded redundancy(imho)....

Why doesn't someone open a kickstarter project for Ferrofush to do the madi for XITE? It was vert successful on several projects by Keith McMillian. Who also makes beautique/niche music gear.

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:00 pm
by garyb
that's a nice idea. i had talked to Holger about Kickstarter just in general, it's a possibility.
first, both Holger and Juergen or Holger and whoever might do the hardware design would have to agree and have a target figure.

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:53 am
by Bud Weiser

> jksuperstar wrote: Why doesn't someone open a kickstarter project for Ferrofush to do the madi for XITE?

Excellent idea !
Bud

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:34 pm
by timstoel
Voted...
MADI would open Scope up for use with digital mixing consoles in live environments. When I did broadcast mixes on the Soundtracs DS-00 (DiGiCo D5 designed for post-production use) all I could think of is being able to link the two together.
I would like to be able to use Scope in a live setup for my performances, but the I/O options are a little limited for my needs right now. I have run in ear mixes with it before and gotten great results. Being able to send MADI from Scope to front of house would be awesome!
You could also link it with a Mac with an RME card easily, which I would also enjoy. ADAT is pretty old-school and limits your options for connectivity, especially over long distances and at higher sampling rates.
Scope + MADI = so many happy thoughts.
Tim

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:53 am
by Bud Weiser

> timstoel wrote:
> Scope + MADI = so many happy thoughts.
> Tim

Yep !
As a keyboardplayer, I need the ADAT I/Os for AD/DA to have these (and enough) analog inputs for my keys and modules and the analog outputs as a signal splitter.
What´s left over is AES/EBU I/O to receive a digital stereo monitor signal and provide a digital stereo main out, which is a nice option but not ideal.
XITE-1 analog Ins and Outs are for my (front-end) line mixer (also keys/modules) and my monitors/IEM.
XITE-1 mic/DI for a electromagnetic instrument and a mic.
Now, w/ MADI, I´d be able to send long runs of separate channels to FOH and stage monitor systems or connect to other digital consoles in other studios w/ only 1 optical cable, which would be perfect and ice on the cake,- along w/ CopperLan MIDI embedded w/ SCOPE 6.
That´s my dream setup in a small and portable rack,- can´t wait !
Bud

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:13 pm
by SilverScoper

> timstoel wrote:Scope + MADI = so many happy thoughts.Tim

XITEment and MADIness.

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:32 pm
by SilverScoper

> garyb wrote:btw-using a summing box with the XITE is an exercise in unneeded redundancy(imho)....

The summing mixer is needed in a modern recording chain, as you can see here from this diagram. When using expensive german tube mics, you don't want a weak link:

  Modern Recording Chain
  modern_technic.JPG (110.46 KiB) Viewed 4838 times

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:44 pm
by niceboy

> SilverScoper wrote:

> > garyb wrote:btw-using a summing box with the XITE is an exercise in unneeded redundancy(imho)....

> The summing mixer is needed in a modern recording chain, as you can see here from this diagram. When using expensive german tube mics, you don't want a weak link:
> modern_technic.JPG

Where is the feedback .I see no feedback possibilities in that setup.

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:17 pm
by garyb

> SilverScoper wrote:

> > garyb wrote:btw-using a summing box with the XITE is an exercise in unneeded redundancy(imho)....

> The summing mixer is needed in a modern recording chain, as you can see here from this diagram. When using expensive german tube mics, you don't want a weak link:
> modern_technic.JPG

so true...

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:03 am
by niceboy
so true...[/quote]
We are doing that better inside the Scope mixers.
We make Amps in Scope for all instruments.
That was what Scope was ment for .
Now we also have two sorts of feedback plugins .
One with filter , and one without.
Both is making it possible to do feedback on Mix out ,
and on the Busses also.
No need for Pro Tools HD.
They are not HD anymore.
Waves TDM plugins are having higher latency ,
than theire Native plugins.
Bear

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:52 am
by Bud Weiser

> SilverScoper wrote: The summing mixer is needed in a modern recording chain, as you can see here from this diagram.

You made my day, man !
I stole that diagram to make it a wallpaper or screen-saver, probably -stresser.
Bud

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:57 am
by Bud Weiser

> niceboy wrote:
> Now we also have two sorts of feedback plugins .
> One with filter , and one without.
> Both is making it possible to do feedback on Mix out ,
> and on the Busses also.
> Bear

Man, can you please stop posting your feedback s**t in every thread.
Open your own feedback thread and wait for there´s someone interested in this.
If not, let the thread fall behind and die.
What you do is definitely trolling.
Bud

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:07 am
by John Cooper
Bud, that was unnecessary. If you haven't learned from the previous round, you can fully expect it to be repeated. Please let it slide.
John

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:13 am
by hubird

> John Cooper wrote:Bud, that was unnecessary. If you haven't learned from the previous round, you can fully expect it to be repeated. Please let it slide.
> John

With all respect John, but I don't agree with that.
I'm glad someone had the courage to say stop the nonsense.
Like Bud said, it's about trolling, so this might be mentioned, I'd say.
I would like to have someone around to protect us against the weirdos, even if they personally 'can't help'.
(I defended N. against some mocking, so it's nothing personal from my side).
Nestor states he's not qualified to do something more than ask for better behaviour, and he is not always present.
For you as an outsider it's hard to see the guy is suffering from some illness.
There's hardly one post to find which looks rational, unless his drummer helps him, and even then it's merely just nonsense and OT.
Such behaviour can go on for months, and we are getting the shit, day in day out.
Everyone knows that Niceboy will be banned someday, he got recently banned from three other communities, so in that light I see Bud's remark as just a signal to the community that Niceboy is again passing the defined border.

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:16 am
by Bud Weiser

> hubird wrote:

> > John Cooper wrote:Bud, that was unnecessary. If you haven't learned from the previous round, you can fully expect it to be repeated. Please let it slide.
> > John

> ... so in that light I see Bud's remark as just a signal to the community that Niceboy is again passing the defined border.

Thx hubrid !
I think, niceboy had his "timeout" to learn already.
It doesn´t bother me much he´s talking about feedback and my interest is also not to see him banned,- but ...
IMO, he hijacks threads and individual posts wherever possible and it already started again after his 7 days of absence.
So, when "feedback" is his main interest, it´s pretty fair asking for opening a new thread instead hijacking the others,- and it would be also fair when he does.
It had advantages for both sides,- HIS main interests being discussed in a separate thread w/ better overwiew and the others don´t have to read about this stuff in different context anymore.
Easy as that.
Bud

#### Re: MADI

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:15 am
by wouterz

> SilverScoper wrote:

> > garyb wrote:btw-using a summing box with the XITE is an exercise in unneeded redundancy(imho)....

> The summing mixer is needed in a modern recording chain, as you can see here from this diagram. When using expensive german tube mics, you don't want a weak link:
> modern_technic.JPG

Or even worse, the buildin speakers of a tablet and a track from YouTube