## Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Device/Module Wishlist

Original topic on PlanetZ: https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=33255

#### Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:46 am
by yayajohn
a little far fetched perhaps but sure would be cool to build modular patches when away from your rig, save them to a flash drive and load onto your rig when you get home from work. Although i'm sure your boss would be rather unhappy with your distraction

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:25 am
by wouterz
You can use these to try out some ideas on the road and build them in Scope Modular at home
http://petervandernoord.nl/patchwork/
http://www.g200kg.com/en/docs/webmodular/

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:25 pm
by yayajohn
I will play with those in the meantime. Thank you!

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:11 pm
by dante
Play with this....
http://www.u-he.com/cms/bazille

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:25 am
by yayajohn
cool. Thanks for the link. I may demo it but probably won't buy it.
I suppose for design planning I could just use a pen and paper

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:24 am
by Roland Kuit
I have asked Holger a few times for this.
This was the main reason I left the Scope platform.
I travel a lot and I need that time to work too.
The modulars mentioned above can't compete with the Modular IV.
No way. Period.
Travelling with a laptop open up possibilities.
The only programs that can compete with the Modular IV are:
Reaktor and Clavia NMG2(Demo).
The last ones download links:
For Mac:
http://www.nordkeyboards.com/sites/defa ... 0setup.zip
Installing instructions here:
http://rolandkuit.com/e-Books.html and scroll down.
For PC:
http://www.nordkeyboards.com/sites/defa ... 0setup.zip
Regarding Kyma, I learned my laptop to work with it without the Pacarana attached.
I can create patches without hearing them but these patches will work when the Pacarana is attached.
After setting the compatibility back to Windows 7
I just start the program in Windows 98/Windows ME and tell it to go on without the not found hardware.
It works for me.
Give it a try.

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 1:07 am
by David
Thats a great tip for the pacarana work around, thanks Roland

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:15 am
by yayajohn
Thank you Roland. I will investigate those links. I hate being away from my rig at home, my time is so limited yet I sometimes spend whole days just sitting in a hotel room while at work. I've thought about taking my Xite around with me and it could work but the problem is there is no way to 100% protect it from getting bashed. Yes the armor plated case options would protect it fine but on the airlines, if you can't fit it under the seat in front of you then you risk having to send it to checked baggage and that would be the death of it for sure. (btw Roland I saw the pics of your mobile rig when you posted them and it really made me think it through but, alas...)
I was thinking, even a program with nothing but the graphical representation of the modules would be a help. You could create a snapshot of a patch and pull it up next to your empty modular shell to manually build?
Maybe I should start learning to be a programmer then I can build the program myself. Shouldn't take more than a 100yrs to get caught up.
Anyway, there are loads of other productive things to do with my idle time like study electronic music or practice my EWI.

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:31 pm
by sharc
I've been giving this some thought and I can't see any way that an actual Scope modular patch could be built on a non-Scope powered system ...At least not by an SDK developer.
I can think of a potential solution, but AFAIK it could only be implemented by S|C in a platform update. If you've ever run Scope as sync slave without a sync source you'll have noticed you can add modules and devices till the cows come home without using any DSP. Of course you don't get any audio or MIDI either, but if I'm reading correctly that's what is being requested here.
What would be required is a similar mode for Scope to enter when no DSP card or XITE is detected. As well as allowing you to sketch out and save Modular patches away from home other Scope device settings and project routings could also be made.

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:26 pm
by hubird
yet dsp load calculation should be still necessory, and I don't know if that'd be possible.
you want the setups get loaded when at the cards.

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:59 am
by fra77x
I believe the experience when working with modular is the sound... I don't understand what a modular without sound can offer.

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:19 am
by Roland Kuit
@ hubird,
It works for me and Kyma, I stated.
DSP counts is on the Pacarana too, so I thought mentioning my trick here.
@ fra77x
Yes, I totally agree with you, sound experience!
But having a modular mind, I had great benefits when studying Sonology in Utrecht and creating signal flows when sitting in the train. With pen and paper. Later with the Clavia NMG1(!) I could use the editor patching up stuff and listen this when I was at my hardware.
NMG2Demo makes even sound!
Next month I will be working with the Buchla 200 at EMS Stockholm.
So I am reading in and creating pen-paper flowcharts already

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:43 am
by dante

> fra77x wrote:I believe the experience when working with modular is the sound... I don't understand what a modular without sound can offer.

The same as an orchestra you can't hear...circa Beethovens 9th Symphony : "The whole audience acclaimed him through standing ovations five times; there were handkerchiefs in the air, hats, raised hands, so that Beethoven, who could not hear the applause, could at least see the ovation gestures."

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:05 am
by fra77x
If you have enough experience with anything you can do the work on your mind. Because you have the mental image of it. You can't gather experience of something without working with the actual stuff, the mind can't replicate the nature. It's a memory function. Beethoven lost his hearing late on his career and every composer have spend a huge amount of time on the keyboard before being able to compose on the score.
I suggest pen and paper sketches as Roland says or some native modular. I remember every time i went to some vacation years ago on a island, i came back with a package of sound design notes. And a lot of ideas appear when the mind is free of the clutter. But truly only few of those i have put them on real circuits and nothing can replace the actual experience with the sound. My procedure now so to "get better" is with programming. I design my own daw (native) in c++ which also includes a modular synthesizer. It's fascinating! Of course for scope users i strongly suggest the sdk. By using the sdk i gathered all the knowledge that i now use for audio engineering.

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:31 am
by tgstgs
put the xite in a server at home;
xite works great in a sun fire;
so you have full access via remote;
you can even record and stream back the audiooutput;
or use hw connected to xite;
good vibes

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:48 am
by yayajohn
Wow that is a great idea. hmm i wonder if a VNC like this would work -https://www.realvnc.com/ but it says no audio.
You are referring to an actual server computer by Sun Microsystems? In that case you would probably want to host a web address to stream the audio?
I'm going to have a closer look at all of this.
Thanks
btw what is "hw connected to xite"?

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:05 am
by jksuperstar
ideally, I'd like a usb SCOPE device with 1 or 2 DSPs on it, and simple audio I/O. I know it's difficult to get USB to master the host and access memory to cover all modules like samplers and wave players, etc, but a decent driver could handle that. Not as low latency as PCIe, but you get your sound, portable...anywhere...great for SDK too

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:08 am
by jksuperstar
Yayajohn...don't look into VNC, look into RDP Remote (the windows equivalent). That allows for audio (WDM). So you'd have to route audio out of SCOPE into windows not via ASIO but from a Wave Audio device, and then let RDP handle it from there.

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:05 am
by yayajohn
ok great thanks I will check that out. I'm wondering would it matter if my desktop is on Windows XP and my Laptop is on Windows 7 64bit?

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:47 am
by erminardi
Teamviewer transmits also audio via internet: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
And it's free.

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:57 am
by tgstgs
the sun is made to shine for 24/7 (24 hours 7 days on)_
but it could be any pc with a pci slot;
hw = hardware;
synth, verbs connected to xite controlable via midi for example;
http://windows.microsoft.com/de-AT/wind ... connection
you just need a connection to internet from where you are with the laptop remote;
could be a probl. in driveing trains changing the radio cells fast;
but definitiv no probl. stationary like hotel or the bath in summer;
good vibes

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:03 am
by yayajohn

> erminardi wrote:Teamviewer transmits also audio via internet: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
> And it's free.

Well i tried this and it works pretty well so I am excited to see if it will hold up when I am far away. I could not get any sound to transfer though. Tried various combinations using the Wave 24 bit Dest and Sound Card Dest in Scope and even played an mp3 through WMP to transmit with the VOIP option in Teamviewer. Not sure if I even want the sound as it would most likely be choppy and distorted
I will eventually figure it out. I can now access my rig from anywhere. yay!
@jk - I may try that RDP you mentioned too
Thanks to all for the help
Oh crap I just remembered I disabled the onboard audio in the bios. Most likely the culprit!

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:07 am
by Roland Kuit
Of coarse it is a mind thing!
Drawing ideas ar like a shopping list. Just a remembrance

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:50 am
by garyb

> yayajohn wrote:

> > erminardi wrote:Teamviewer transmits also audio via internet: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
> > And it's free.

> Well i tried this and it works pretty well so I am excited to see if it will hold up when I am far away. I could not get any sound to transfer though. Tried various combinations using the Wave 24 bit Dest and Sound Card Dest in Scope and even played an mp3 through WMP to transmit with the VOIP option in Teamviewer. Not sure if I even want the sound as it would most likely be choppy and distorted
> I will eventually figure it out. I can now access my rig from anywhere. yay!
> @jk - I may try that RDP you mentioned too
> Thanks to all for the help
> Oh crap I just remembered I disabled the onboard audio in the bios. Most likely the culprit!

i don't think you need to do anything tricky with VOIP in teamveiwer. i did a support session for a client and had sound and very quick and reliable control over the client's machine. sound should work through the wave driver if the Scope wave driver is the default interface in windows(i think).

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:13 pm
by jksuperstar

> yayajohn wrote:ok great thanks I will check that out. I'm wondering would it matter if my desktop is on Windows XP and my Laptop is on Windows 7 64bit?

No problem, it's all the same protocol. It's free & built into windows, look for Remote Desktop Connection. Part of the setup is access to audio, etc. It works pretty well, and you can get an app for iOS too. (I think some linux based VNC clients also support RDP, so it's highly likely available for Android tablets)

#### Re: Standalone Mod IV simulator program

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:28 am
by faxinadu
teamviewer for the win, use it all the time exactly for this