## Valve Amp Distortion

Device/Module Wishlist

Original topic on PlanetZ: https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=20132

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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:16 pm
by hifiboom
a plug-in that alters a wave form in this way:
okay I just painted roughly how the result should look
normal clipping
valve distortion
real picture of a processed bass kick:
zoomed in:
generating nice overtones...
nice for adding pressure to kicks, that will have much more presence in a mix. also nice on synths and any other sound....
I am sure it also works fine for guitar sounds etc.

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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:50 pm
by wayne
There is a valve drive module in Flexor, along with fat sat, guitar drive, soft sat, tape drive and warm sat.
You got Flexor?

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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:36 pm
by hubird
no, it's sat

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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:39 pm
by hubird
Hifi, or in this case lofi, don't tell me you don't know the heavy distorted 909 kick of say hardcore dance?
and everything in between
no offend, just kidding

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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:00 pm
by Lima
That behaviour remembers to me what's happen when you filter a saw using a low pass filter with a good amount of resonance... could be it a starting point to do a mod patch with the actual modules?

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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:50 pm
by hubird
that's pretty standard...no?

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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:49 am
by hifiboom

> On 2006-09-25 22:39, hubird wrote:
> Hifi, or in this case lofi, don't tell me you don't know the heavy distorted 909 kick of say hardcore dance?
> and everything in between
> no offend, just kidding

you are right ,
but it is a unique effect that will apply to many useful tasks.
I makes sounds sound like played over big speaker systems...
I have some very cool underground CDs in that department...
jeah and I don`t have flexor at the moment.
I checked the online Flexor manual and there seems to be nothing like this...
but maybe I am wrong...

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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:16 am
by hifiboom

> On 2006-09-26 00:00, Lima wrote:
> That behaviour remembers to me what's happen when you filter a saw using a low pass filter with a good amount of resonance... could be it a starting point to do a mod patch with the actual modules?

if you look at normal bass kicks, they look like sine curves... ( last picture shows this )
There are added some extra higher frequencys at the beginning... in this example one at higher gain and one with lower gain....

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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:33 am
by pollux
Hi,
Did you check Dynatubes?
I've been playing passing synths through them and it sounds *REALLY* phat (try passing a TB303 through a Mesa Boogey)

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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:04 am
by hifiboom
thx for the info, rdavidovich!
would you mind processing a dry 909 kick drum and a synth with dynatube and sent it to me.
You know there are no demos....
I tired to achieve the results with native VST distortions but never come close...
But on the other hand I know that the VST (guitar) distortions are not that good.
I`m sure dynatube is one of the best in what it does.
And my desired effect seems to be best described by a tube sound...
Because tubes add overtones...
Maybe I should go with an external tube, like SPL Charisma....
or something like this.
Maybe even a cheap Behringer tube does the trick better than the VST fx...

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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:17 am
by astroman
the overtones is correct
the relation to tubes is a myth
it's all in the circuit design
(and of course one's imagination - running wild...)
maybe I should buy a Motown record on my way back from the city...
cheers, tom

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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:43 pm
by hifiboom
hey astro....
so if not tubes, what does deliver the overtones...
I`m sure there is an fx that does the trick...
here is some tubes analysed with OSC-scope:
http://www.diyguitarist.com/DIYStompbox ... eforms.htm
while it doesn`t look exactly the same, it seems to be similar...

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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:50 pm
by garyb
the tqdrive can do that. the electro harmonix big muff pi makes a sine wave look exactly like that too. it's not a tube thing....

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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:09 pm
by hifiboom

> On 2006-09-27 14:50, garyb wrote:
> the tqdrive can do that. the electro harmonix big muff pi makes a sine wave look exactly like that too. it's not a tube thing....

I`ve already tried TQDrive. While I like it its not eactly what I am looking for. I mean the results are close but still not there.
Thanks for that Electro Harmonix information. Maybe I`ll go and try it out.

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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:25 pm
by pollux

> On 2006-09-27 09:04, hifiboom wrote:
> thx for the info, rdavidovich!
> would you mind processing a dry 909 kick drum and a synth with dynatube and sent it to me.
> You know there are no demos....
> I tired to achieve the results with native VST distortions but never come close...
> But on the other hand I know that the VST (guitar) distortions are not that good.
> I`m sure dynatube is one of the best in what it does.
> And my desired effect seems to be best described by a tube sound...
> Because tubes add overtones...
> Maybe I should go with an external tube, like SPL Charisma....
> or something like this.
> Maybe even a cheap Behringer tube does the trick better than the VST fx...

If you want, send me some samples, like the kick, and I'll pass them through the different amps and send them back to you.

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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:11 am
by hifiboom
thx!
you got an email.

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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:18 am
by pollux

> hifiboom wrote:thx!
> you got an email.

OK I didn't forget about this but I've been drawn with work...
I think you should definetly check out this new plugin made by Shroomz and sharc:
https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=21014
could be *Exactly* what you're looking for