## VST Host Devices

Device/Module Wishlist

Original topic on PlanetZ: https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=16595

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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:39 pm
by LHong
VST(i) Host Devices would be nice!

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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:11 pm
by alfonso
VST's are built intrinsecally to work on cpu, so a communication through a driver like ASIO or Multimedia etc. is indispensable. They can't be calculated on sharcs, so what you ask for can only be accomplished by a vst host (daw or vst virtual racks) and communicate through fast ASIO, wich thing exists....

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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:31 pm
by JLS
But Sfp engine + grafic engine calculated normal CPU !!!
Where is problem ?
Idea is not calculate sharc
Only sharc to cpu wraper and cpu to sharc wraper ( latency setting like Asio engine )
All other process calculated normal CPU
Not possibility ?

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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:07 am
by alfonso

> On 2005-08-15 00:31, megerov wrote:
> But Sfp engine + grafic engine calculated normal CPU !!!
> Where is problem ?
> Idea is not calculate sharc
> Only sharc to cpu wraper and cpu to sharc wraper ( latency setting like Asio engine )
> All other process calculated normal CPU
> Not possibility ?

You said "like ASIO"....no, it has to be ASIO, that's exactly the fast driver needed by a VST host, so that thing would not be different from any existing VST host. If the only goal is to have a small program looking like a device opened in scope, it needs some coding outside of scope, it's something too complicated and practically not so useful. And as it should use ASIO, it would monopolize those drivers, so you couldn't open another ASIO app for recording.
If someone has the urge to use VSTi's, the easiest, straightest, more flexible, efficient, experimented, optimized and unlimiting way is to set as many ASIO I/O's you need, open a VST app and load them there.
And you can also record Audio and MIDI tracks if you want.
There is no advantage, but the opposite in what you ask.
My 0,02 €
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:08 am
by alfonso
double...

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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:38 am
by astroman
I have EnergyXT for the purpose of VSTi integration, though that's mostly to demo (and be disappointed by...) native stuff.
Was 30 bucks if memory serves, and there are probably even free wrappers, so imho it's not worth to put any effort in this.
Since XT is completely modular there's almost no load on the host CPU (at least not that I noticed) and it starts in just a couple of seconds - very convenient.
to be fair: it's also a complete sequencer and a nice midi tool and some more
cheers, tom

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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:08 am
by at0m
Anyone using other VST/ASIO sequencers can insert a VST by routing it through the sequencer. Then one can alias the ASIO io in SFP with an External Effect that you can insert in mixers or racks.
Maybe CW can come up with some more direct VST hosting, but that would require some rework and new SFP modules I guess...

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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:55 am
by LHong
An ASIO Clone driver! May be?

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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:35 pm
by Music Manic
Interesting.
Would be nice to have those plugs available closely to DSP.

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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:18 pm
by Shayne White
I don't really mind using the External Effect module in Scope; it's easy. The thing I don't like is the way Sonar works: you can't label ASIO drivers the way you want to (so you don't know what's going to what), and soloing a track turns off the input monitoring track. I wish there were a way I could make an input monitoring track immune to solo. There might have been such a feature implemented in the latest version of Sonar 4, but I don't know because I only have Sonar 3.
Shayne

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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:50 pm
by at0m
re:no solo defeat on sonar's mixer
No 'Solo Defeat' on SX's channels either. Indispensable for the (2) ramp tracks I usually have in the project, controlling all sorts of stuff in patches. So I solo tracks downstream, or MIDI, wherever it suits best for that situation. Not perfect, but it comes close

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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:51 pm
by dawman
I would love a VSTi Host Module. For the simple reason of having a MIDI sequencer. I've heard VSTi instruments, they are obviously marketed for people born after the analog days, i.e. 1990. Right now I run GS3 through Scope, and have the ability to use VST FX, don't like those much either. However
a multi threaded VSTi Mod. that could have the CPU affinity settings like Andre has used, but designed to be used with future Intel Yonah CPU, and have an adapter from PCI to PCI-e, and with GSIF2 drivers, and run super low power wattage,.... sorry, I tend to get carried away.