## A phaser with guts

Device/Module Wishlist

Original topic on PlanetZ: https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=13156

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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:35 pm
by Spirit
Years ago I used to use a guitar pedal phaser on my old analog hardware. The effect was incredibly thick and rich.
Unfortunately *nothing* in SFP or native has ever come close to the power of that pedal.
Laying software phaser on too heavily just seems to produce huge amounts of resonant distortion and is quite woeful. Others are only marginally more powerful than a chorus.
Anyone who knows the "Metamatic" album by John Foxx will know the sort of phaser I'm talking about
Please, a super-heavy phaser effect....

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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:25 pm
by hubird
agree !
like also the Boss SE70 faser, very characteristic and fat

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:11 am
by spacef
I have one. it bleeds rather than "have guts". Sounds like some that you can hear on Bob Marley's "Uprising" (the LP). not sure it is very metamatic, it's not "spacey" (but it certainly has a lot of character and make you want to bite something Nothing to do with any digital phaser you've ever heard (even hardware). It is modulated by various sources, inluding enveloppe followers.
Can't be ready before next year though (unuseable by the common pulsar user : no gui, no controls for the moment... would take too much time to do now).

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 9:11 am
by Spirit
Reading your post: excited, pleased, very excited, ready to download, ready, ready...
Oh.

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:53 pm
by borg
was just gonna add this one to the dust collector thread:
ibanez jetlyzer jt-70
two 4,5V batteries for two hours play time was a bit too much for a student at the time. still have it, but hasn't been played for about 8 years.
a nice vst fx is 'supaPhaser'. you can find it at the smartelectronix site

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:56 pm
by siberiansun

> a nice vst fx is 'supaPhaser'. you can find it at the smartelectronix site

another heads up for the supaphaser, it's quite thick and has some nice tweaking abilities.

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:57 pm
by spacef
>>>was just gonna add this one to the dust collector thread:
ibanez jetlyzer jt-70
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would you send it to me ? (i never have enough phaser pedals) ?
I promiss i'll keep it clean and shiny and used

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 9:03 pm
by Spirit
Great link Borg, thanks

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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:00 am
by Mehdi_T
Borg, I was kidding of course (well, if you really want....).
Best phaser that sounds like hardware (at least) ?
Stoned Phaser from Guitare Rig
http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?guitarrig_us
(i just tested A/B tested again. now i'm sure of my statement)...
And yes, it is metamatic-able and (Cure-able too ). I guess that with all its capabilities, and additional components, it is bob marleyisable too...

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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:45 am
by Plato
I was going to suggest Superphaser too - you guys have beaten me to it

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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:27 pm
by Shayne White
I tried SupaPhaser and didn't like it as well as Ultrafunk's Phaser which is now bundled in Sonar3 PE. I also liked the Timeworks one a lot, it's DirectX only though.
Shayne

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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 4:37 pm
by decimator
I love the phaser coming with Vaz Modular and well ... most effects on VazMod not to mention that it's IMO the best sounding native synth since Version 3.

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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:17 pm
by borg
haven't tried these free vst fx yet, but read some good user reports. of course phaser is included...

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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:33 pm
by ChrisWerner
Thank you Borg. Looking good.

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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:40 am
by Spirit
SupaPhaser was good - better than most - but still not really gutsy like hardware...

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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 5:31 am
by spiderman
yes agree ! I think it's the most difficult think to do . I keep my EH small stone....

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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 6:41 am
by ChrisWerner
https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic ... tart=20&30
The phaser of the classic series is very good, at least for me.

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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:55 pm
by Mehdi_T
i wonder if hiss, in pedals, is an important parameter for "realism" , it does add something most softwares don't (even though, some do include noise sims) ...
just a thought....

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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:45 pm
by Mehdi_T
plus, a good phaser is always mono-->mono... (stereo phaser is bad eventhough i did some in the past, that i never liked nor used. sounds much, much thinner.. ahhh, user requests )
(but that's personal taste, you have the right to like stereo phasers. we're talking 'bout "phasers with guts which does it like john foxx metamatic" here, ie "old scholl" stuff ).

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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:44 am
by spiderman
yes but one mono to mono phaser on each side of the stereo with different setting is miam miam !

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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:16 am
by Spirit
Mehdi, I think you're right about the noise. My old foot-pedal was as coarse as hell, and only had three knobs, and was mono, but what a thick, sweet tone
Software phasers seem to specialise in having lots of knobs and controls, very few of which seem to have much effect

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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:32 pm
by Mehdi_T
i re listened to my own phaser and it's much less good than i remembered. It's an "EPS16+ phaser" , cause the eps had a really badquality phaser but with interesting modulation shape with highresonance. It's not bad at all on reggae guitares though, but it's not something I feel ready to throw in the arena

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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:03 pm
by decimator
I forgot to mention MobilOhm.
Has some guts but are they the proper ones ?
I like it because it goes in much wild areas too ... as many Ohmforce products !

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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:33 pm
by ChrisWerner
Good hint decimator!
But Spirit has lasting impressions to the good old time. Once upon there was...
EDIT :
Have you tried the kjaerhusaudio.com stuff?
I like it really much, they have a good vintage style(algo) without noise though.
Let us build our own one? Must be possible, or?

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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:35 am
by hubird
and Borg, thanks for the Supaphaser tip, I didn't have it yet.
Alas the Kjaerhus fx-es are Windows only, they look very attractive.
Yet I won't switch platform...

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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:11 am
by decimator
Chris, the Kjaerhus phaser is quite nice though I still have a little more preference for the one that comes with Vaz Modular.
The Supaphaser can come to extremes, a good FX.
However my absolute winner is still MobilOhm, it sounds stronger and really pushes the envelope for " phasers and beyond "
I noticed on various FX bundles that the phaser is often missing, odd ...