## Access Virus Scope

Device/Module Wishlist

Original topic on PlanetZ: https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=23318

#### Access Virus Scope

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:52 am
by JyGius
Hi all!
It would be super to have an Access Virus for our Scope Platform! When I say Virus I mean VIRUS C/VIRUS INDIGO.
I think something like TC Powercore or TDM!!!
I don't know if it would be possible to do it (technically speaking... and marketing as well)... but it would be super! But with no less than 14 DSP in order to have enough power for the Virus (16 part-multitimbral , polyphony... and effects!)
Do you think that a 14 DSP would suffice?
Yeah...! I'm crazy! A Creazy Creamware User!

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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:04 am
by hifiboom
I think a 14 dsp card should be more than enough to do that.

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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:12 pm
by hifiboom
surely, but you don`t have to port the code.
Maybe if you want an exact 1:1 copy,
but someone (including me) could build a similar synth with the same architecture in scope.
Maybe we will realize that the scope version would even sound better.
The Virus is a performance synth, so one wouldn`t have to rebuild the basic synth architecure only but also a similar effect section too.
I def. want to have something like this too, as we have many classic sounding stuff in scope, but a litlle less modern synth designs.

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:39 am
by faxinadu

> hifiboom wrote: but someone (including me) could build a similar synth with the same architecture in scope.

do it!

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:38 am
by kylie

> faxinadu wrote:

> > hifiboom wrote: but someone (including me) could build a similar synth with the same architecture in scope.

> do it!

no. finish U-Pete-R first. then do it

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:23 am
by hifiboom

> kylie wrote:

> > faxinadu wrote:

> > > hifiboom wrote: but someone (including me) could build a similar synth with the same architecture in scope.

> > do it!

> no. finish U-Pete-R first. then do it

c`mon guys ...
I also have a real life !
lets say, I would like to do everything.
BTW , the You-Pt-R has grown already and actually it needs a 1280x1024 screen as a minimum resolution. lol

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:41 am
by kylie

> hifiboom wrote:I also have a real life !

really? what would that look like?

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:58 am
by kylie

> stardust wrote:

you're sooo cute in your leisure suit, stardust
is that the common recreation dress code on squornhoellisch zeta?
-greetings, markus-

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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:58 am
by FrancisHarmany

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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:01 am
by hifiboom

> stardust wrote:All for hifis normal life entertainment.

virtual life entertainment
the real life entertainment was yesterday.

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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:11 pm
by kylie
"we love to entertain you [tm]"

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:02 am
by johnbowen

> JyGius wrote:Hi all!
> It would be super to have an Access Virus for our Scope Platform! When I say Virus I mean VIRUS C/VIRUS INDIGO.....

That's what the new VOID is supposed to be! Have you taken a look at it?
john b.

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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:50 pm
by dawman
John,
CW / SC should pay you for marketing. They should have seen the hype that the Virus created and mention it when they released VOID.
Sales would have probably been stronger.
I bet your insights from this comment will be responsible for a dozen sales next week.
It's very noble of you to do this w/o even making a plug for one of your synths, which BTW could downsize itself to do just that.

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:07 am
by maky325
Aha!! Pulling this one out now when xite is here I am no joking but i would like to see Virus on Scope. Virus powercore is not "emulation" of virus synth as someone think(Jimmy). It is the same Virus B thing!!! And it is a hell lot better then 97,345,06% VST instruments available It does have own character and no VOID or COS are not anything like.
Now when xite is here i think it is probably more then possible. I am sure since virus is powered by motorola, that porting to sharc would be massive job but if everything is finished right, it should be equal.
Virus is still popular today. According to JRR shop (one of most popular US online store...Eric will confirm this about virus) Virus is best selling powercore plugin in JRR shop. Even better then VSS3

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:49 am
by johnbowen
The exact reason that Virus B is on the Pro-Tools system is because they used the same Motorola chip. Access just handed over their code to Digidesign and let them do the 'conversion' work. For this, I imagine Digi still paid a pretty nice license fee
Probably TC had a similar arrangement, since they also use the Motorola parts.
For SHARC-based systems, you would probably would have to pay Access both a conversion fee to SHARC code, plus a license fee. I doubt if then there's much left over to make it a profitable sale for SC.
-john b.

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 8:50 am
by astroman
to be honest I don't even see a place for 'Virus' sound in Scope
from versatility a Solaris beats it anytime and some of SpaceF's devices are really close to the slightly harsh and cutting Motorola sound. Add some of Adern's flavour and I hardly can imagine anything the Access device might be able to provide that's not already covered.
One of the advantages of Scope is that you can pickup any number of devices to setup your custom performance Uber-Synth.
The Virus is a cool live thing for it's control surface and that's about it.
Which is soon to be covered by John's hardware incarnation (and extension) of Solaris as well.
cheers, Tom

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:09 am
by Neutron
I dont know about that, i put other stuff on the block to save up for XITE-1 but i did not even think about selling the TI

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:32 am
by netguyjoel
I got a Virus C rack..It stays. My 2 D70s..they can go...Red Sounds Elevata..that too goes

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 12:13 pm
by maky325

> astroman wrote:to be honest I don't even see a place for 'Virus' sound in Scope
> from versatility a Solaris beats it anytime and some of SpaceF's devices are really close to the slightly harsh and cutting Motorola sound. Add some of Adern's flavour and I hardly can imagine anything the Access device might be able to provide that's not already covered.
> One of the advantages of Scope is that you can pickup any number of devices to setup your custom performance Uber-Synth.
> The Virus is a cool live thing for it's control surface and that's about it.
> Which is soon to be covered by John's hardware incarnation (and extension) of Solaris as well.
> cheers, Tom

I don't even see chance to compare these two becasue they are very very different. I am not talking about versatility. You are completely missing my point. Virus can't compete with Modular in versatility. But Virus has it's own sound character. Will you admit it or not it is completely up to you. Slightly harsh sound to you is imo subjective opinion and calling sound harsh because of Motorola chip is simply not true . Everything out there running on DSP is simply matter of algorithm behind.
To make it clear, i am not pulling Virus in sky. I see it just as different and very unique tool. That is all. Especially if you are making electronic music. Well it has been unique enough for making status in music history. For example i simply don't know for any (be it young or older) amateur/producer which at least did not hear word or two about "some Virus synth" while i know a lot of young and older people which never heard of Scope or Solaris for scope (hopefully this will change..).
I am aware of situation and it seems that we wont see it on scope, but poco card is cheap these days anyway.
Solaris can mimick Virus to some degree in the same way Virus can mimick Solaris to some degree but Solaris is Solaris and Virus is Virus. They are not the same thing
To be completely honest it is a bit puzzling to me why people tend to replicate this or that with completely different tools? If you want Oberheim sound go with Oberheim (they are cheap today, MAtrix 6r or 1000 will cut it). If you now try to convince me that you can completely replicate Obi or Virus sound by just making oberheim filter or virus like filter emulation (or OSC emulation) in scope then please stop there.
If you want Solaris sound you should stick with Solaris. It is unique enough. Same thing is with Virus. We are talking about porting Virus to Scope. I am pretty sure Virus will never sound like Minimax or Flexor and vice versa...

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 12:56 pm
by astroman
sorry, I didn't mean 'slightly harsh' in a disrespective way, for me it's just what describes Motorola versus Sharc best. As mentioned it's more 'cutting through' to my ears.
I've had a couple of Motorola synths on a Midiman card myself, I've heard enough Nord examples and Virus stuff too (admittedly I may have missed some of the latest releases...).
There is a difference in the basic sound processing (leaving all FX and tuning aside), you cannot port a Virus to Sharc and have it sound like a Virus.
You make fake it's soundprint to a degree and the SpaceF synth that came with Blackbox was pretty close.
I found that very interesting, as no other Scope developer has this 'signature sound', at least according to my humble ears.
On the other hand I don't know any Motorola device that sounds even remotely like Scope.
I've recently tested an old Intellifex (Rocktron) guitar processor - and I wanted it.
I liked the sound (delay, reverb, chorus and pitch-shifting) because it was different from my Scope devices - it features a Motorola DSP btw.
Simply another color on the acoustic palette.
That's why I don't understand why people want this Virus nonsense under Scope.
There is a Virus and Access is a cool company, so just buy one or use it (like those who posted above that they'd never part with theirs).
I wouldn't give up my Yamaha DX7 stuff for the same reason
We pretty much agree, don't we ?
cheers, Tom

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 1:08 pm
by netguyjoel
Without trying to over simplify everything...different products...yield different results.
Analog stuff does things different than digital. And different digital hardware performs with similar features and qualities...but different acoustic properties. Yes, I own Nord & Access stuff...They will remain in my studio. I own Analog stuff too. That will remain in my studio....but XITE...is mandatory for my studio!

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:38 pm
by dante
I would like a SCOPE Virus, since I dont have a real one and the scope one would probably cost less ... except for tying up a bit of DSP but I could always bounce it to an audio track then remove from project to re-use DSP on other things....

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 1:06 am
by iSiStOy
Regarding the very topic of this thread, maybe you should give a try to that fmpsycho synth, Virus(-).
It's a start but I would enjoy him to release the (+) version as well.
Let's keep on posting there occasionally and see what happens...

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:07 am
by olase

> astroman wrote:sorry, I didn't mean...
> That's why I don't understand why people want this Virus nonsense under Scope.
> ...

There are many reasons why people want to have such "NONSENSE" on Scope.
I would like to throw my TC Powercore Card out of my system if there would be a virus. I do not have so much space for real synthis even for racks. I have a nordlead 2 for example. If this one would be available on scope i would buy it.
Also i think if S|C would have a new fresh Synthi it would be a fresh up for the sales.
Cheers,
olase

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:38 am
by astroman
you're welcome to disagree, but it imho (and according to my experience as written above) it is nonsense because it doesn't make any sense...
even if you port the exact same processing methods, the device will sound significantly different from the original.
If you don't mind that difference, you may as well pick a sound from one of the existing Scope synths that comes close to your idea.
Otherwise you have to stick with the originals.
I've recently been tempted to buy an Intellifex FX processor which is (like Clavia and Access) M56k DSP based. I already have a ton of reverbs, delays and chorus in Scope - but this one just sounded different in a very particular way.
So particular that it triggered a hefty GAS attack
Admittedly I still have the 'older' Virus sounds in my head and some live stuff from Nord.
So I visited the Access website for some fresh impressions, but (for my taste) it was rather disappointing.
They lost much of their 'bite' in favour to fabric conditioned sounds.
and don't even start to talk about a 'synth market' on Scope...
cheers, Tom

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:58 am
by iSiStOy
In My Humble Opinion, Virus C is the last serie to produce an interesting sound.
But again, I speak for myself!
TI is just too digital: switch off the FX and you'll see what I mean...

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:19 am
by netguyjoel
I have one in my rack (Virus C)

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:28 am
by olase
It is'nt nonsense at all.
Nobody talks about a 1:1 portation from the access code. For sure there also must be done some adaptation. Also it is clear that the processing unit in a sharc dsp is different from a dsp56k. I think you can get the same results (voltage, freq, ...) from the DA converter.
That may be the complete effort for that project is to high is written in another book.
cheers,
olase

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:41 am
by iSiStOy
But hey! Have a go for the Virus(-) I indicated before and You'll get at least the kind of beefy bass you can get with a Virus C, but on you S|C board.
The sound is exactly what I was looking for, in terms of a "standard" trance bass sound.
Really sticking to it!
I mean, for the second time at least (the RSPV and the Virus(-) ) , I find users creating plugins with their ears which are so close to "reality"...

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:25 am
by cw_swede
My comments on this:
Building up a synth that has same structure as Virus does NOT make it sound the same. Loads of synths has same structure but sounds very different.
It is easier to port Virus code to TC because of Motorola since CW uses Sharc the code must be re-written tgo Sharc-syntax.
Hopefully they can release a Clavia Nord-clone on TC too, it would be nice...and also a Waldorf since they all uses Motorola.
But the TC synth-clone Powercore-01 sounds ****, comparable to VOID/COS.
The hours I did test VOID/COS I do NOT like either of them. They looks nice but sound ****.
The best plug I've ever tried on Scope is Zarg Prophet-Plus.
I may buy Solaris but I need to know how much power it will take.
I can compare to my real Virus KC and Nordlead2X and I also have Powercore Virus together with my Creamware... and CW sounds nice and fat.

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:12 pm
by fmpsycho
wow that was all the i needed to hear thanx so mutch
as my opinion goes there is nothing that sounds really similler in nothing
virus sure is diffrent ( ti ) from my G2 or my waldorf any how
it's not a metter of hardware or nothing the Ti or anyother synths by
any other company is tottaly diffrent in anything for me
it's that repeting anoying question who you like best your mother
or your father .....
i've heard acess C , Ti , A , B non sounds the same to me .. sorry
( correct me if i am wrong ) but i heard Tdm and it doesn't really sounds
like the virus B also .. no ?
so a copy paste thing is not really the issue here same Dsp ....
is it possible to copy paste a virus code on to another platform and relive it on another ?
as i see it it is not really the same as the tdm vertion or other synths also
can i be mistaking ?
btw virus(-) is my development hehe

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:25 am
by dawman
Just get Solaris and save weeks of time trying to get whiskey from a bottle of wine.
Virus and Nord are no biggie trying to reproduce in Solaris or even Prowave.
RDII Modules add all of the extra Filters and Oscillators you'll ever need.
And if that's not enough you can use Flexor III via the Flexor RD Modules, and also a vast collection from SpaceF's satellites.
I use Prowave live because in the XITE-1 it loads presets fast as greased lightning compared to the DSP cards and I make it sound like a real analog w/ seperate Oscillator Glides, etc.
Add the VS or Waldorf Oscillators and have those sounds, add the samples of the Roland D50 of home brewed Kyma Waveforms and get really sick.
Then add inserted effects and Overdrive etc.
With Prowave and Solaris the sick amount of Modulations make it into whatever synth you want.
But having an immataion of an immatation with a Nord or a Virus sounds like fun though.
Here's a little Waldorf emulation for shits and grins.
https://forums.scopeusers.com/download/file.php?id=5749

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:31 pm
by synthetic

> fmpsycho wrote:wow that was all the i needed to hear thanx so mutch
> as my opinion goes there is nothing that sounds really similler in nothing
> virus sure is diffrent ( ti ) from my G2 or my waldorf any how
> it's not a metter of hardware or nothing the Ti or anyother synths by
> any other company is tottaly diffrent in anything for me
> it's that repeting anoying question who you like best your mother
> or your father .....
> i've heard acess C , Ti , A , B non sounds the same to me .. sorry
> ( correct me if i am wrong ) but i heard Tdm and it doesn't really sounds
> like the virus B also .. no ?
> so a copy paste thing is not really the issue here same Dsp ....
> is it possible to copy paste a virus code on to another platform and relive it on another ?
> as i see it it is not really the same as the tdm vertion or other synths also
> can i be mistaking ?
> btw virus(-) is my development hehe

I've never used TDM here but friend of mine have (Colony-5: http://www.colony5.com )
But I have owned A, C, TI and now finally I use my KC and TC PoCo Virus.
TI was too much for me, the sound that I use sounds the same in C. TI is more into ambient area and wavetables (+ all C features)...which I do not use. Else it is a great machine.
The sounds that are not using C specific params sounds the same in my PoCo Virus, have loaded same banks.
If anyone wants to explore Virus sounds it is anought to start with an A.
It is not only DSP and code that matters, it's how HW is constructed around it too, that's why that old vintage synths sounds differently, compare to Prophet-5 Rev 1,2 and 3 and Roland MKS80 with different chip (CEM, Roland IC).
Will try your plug then and see if I like it.
Here's a nice list to check out:
http://www.sequencer.de/specials/synthesizer_chip.html
http://sequencer.de/synth/index.php/Chi ... nthesizers
http://www.analog.com/en/embedded-proce ... index.html
A friend of mine: http://nydell.se/projects/j106/

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:03 pm
by dawman
Nice links and yes, it's nice having softies everywhere but hardware control is half of the synth IMHO.
So many synths lack a good good surface that's inspiring.
I am really surprised that there aren't surface clones based on the Virus layout, it's brilliant.
Once had an Oberheim XPander that was pretty ingenious and made real time control part of a composition almost.
I am waiting for this design which is reminiscient of my old XP.
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#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:06 pm
by netguyjoel
Wicked sicker than sick!!

#### Re: Access Virus Scope

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:49 pm
by synthetic
Bastard
Solaris seems to be big, just as my old Korg Trident.
Is it homebuilt ASB-system you have here?
Maybe it's time to request for a demo of Solaris on Scope
so one can get a opinion if it is something for me.
I did not like COS/VOID, but John's Prophet-Plus is superb.