## Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Scope and XITE Development

Original topic on PlanetZ: https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=34572

#### Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:52 pm
by DragonSF
I can put my EG and array loader together as simple module, but modular refuses to load it. What steps are necessary, to create a modular module, which can be accepted by Modular?

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:46 pm
by sharc
The quick answer to this one if you don't care about the right-click poly/single mode switching functionality is to modify a modular 1 module - http://www.modularsynth.co.uk/modular1.shtml
Otherwise...

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:58 pm
by DragonSF
For testing, I'd love to do that (even though the surface is quite ugly), but right-clicking doesn't do anything resembling open for editing or mono/poly. So, please otherwise...

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:22 pm
by faxinadu
modular modules don't have a "surface". the surface itself is in the circuit. it is super frustrating but as done by adern, bc modular and others it can be done. you edit the surface in the top level of the circuit, and the circuit in the levels below. like mentioned, the best way is to take an existing module and edit it. good luck!

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:55 pm
by DragonSF
I think I understand that. But my problem is, I can't see a way to insert an existing dsp/ScopeFx module into the modular module.
I'm not getting at the circuit at all.

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:27 am
by faxinadu
you need an unlocked modular module for that.
what module are you using to try?

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:40 am
by faxinadu
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#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:07 am
by DragonSF

> faxinadu wrote:you need an unlocked modular module for that.
> what module are you using to try?

OK, we are getting somewhere. What modular module could be unlocked? And I'm trying a MS EG module combined with a loader module (written by me) to become a modular module.

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:23 am
by DragonSF

> faxinadu wrote:add my on facebook we can chat about stuff -
> https://www.facebook.com/FaxiNadu

Done

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:31 pm
by DragonSF
I have got an unlocked modular module. I can replace the inner circuit with my stuff, but I haven't found a way, to create the required surface objects (like pot, button and jacks) on the surface. In the project tree, I can see they are paced under ControlChild, but don't show up in the surface. And when do the in/out jacks appear?

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:18 pm
by JoPo
If anyone, one day has the courage to write a guide to build a simple modular module in SDK, I hope he'll not forget to upload it somewhere easy to find !

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:17 am
by DragonSF

> JoPo wrote:If anyone, one day has the courage to write a guide to build a simple modular module in SDK, I hope he'll not forget to upload it somewhere easy to find !

I promise! I've got the time, the means and the tools. I still need someone to push me in the right direction, but when it's done, a doc will be the answer!

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:47 am
by Sounddesigner
Wolf gives SDK tips here - http://wolf-audio.com/wad/scope-dp/scope-dp.html
Warp69 and another posted files with SDK info here - ../development/24353.html?start=40
Don't know if these will be helpful or not but worth looking into.

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:13 am
by JoPo
Great, Dragon ! I'm impatient !
And thanks for those useful links, sounddesigner !
Now, the only missing thing is ..... Time !

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:23 am
by DragonSF

> Sounddesigner wrote:Wolf gives SDK tips here - http://wolf-audio.com/wad/scope-dp/scope-dp.html
> Warp69 and another posted files with SDK info here - ../development/24353.html?start=40
> Don't know if these will be helpful or not but worth looking into.

Thanks for the links. But the thing I'm looking for (modular modules surface pads) still remains to be a mystery.

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:37 am
by faxinadu
here too eh :/ the only way i found so far is to use a module with the i/o i want and modify. i managed to duplicate controls though, but not to add ones. like if it has a fader i can duplicate it and have other faders, but if i try to add a control by myself from the folders it doesn't work. hmm

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:59 am
by sharc
I've put the first part of a tutorial together. Hope it helps - http://www.bcmodular.co.uk/forum/viewto ... f=35&t=349

> DragonSF wrote:...the thing I'm looking for (modular modules surface pads) still remains to be a mystery.

After exporting Pads from the circuit inside your modular module make sure you're in circuit mode and you should see the Pads on the top level. You then just need to delete the Pad Text, swap out the bitmap for the Pad and move it into position on the module.

> faxinadu wrote:...i managed to duplicate controls though, but not to add ones. like if it has a fader i can duplicate it and have other faders, but if i try to add a control by myself from the folders it doesn't work. hmm

Make sure you're in surface mode. Drop the new control into the project window and position it on the module before moving it into the ControlChild folder in the Project Explorer.

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:09 am
by JoPo
WoarR ! Shark ! You are irreplaceable ! Thanks a LOT !
I don't have even a minute, right now but asap, I'll follow that..! Let's encourage new developers !

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:25 am
by faxinadu
aweeeeeeeeesome!!!!!!!!! thanks mate good stuff!

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:01 pm
by DragonSF

> sharc wrote:I've put the first part of a tutorial together. Hope it helps - http://www.bcmodular.co.uk/forum/viewto ... f=35&t=349

> > DragonSF wrote:...the thing I'm looking for (modular modules surface pads) still remains to be a mystery.

> After exporting Pads from the circuit inside your modular module make sure you're in circuit mode and you should see the Pads on the top level. You then just need to delete the Pad Text, swap out the bitmap for the Pad and move it into position on the module.

> > faxinadu wrote:...i managed to duplicate controls though, but not to add ones. like if it has a fader i can duplicate it and have other faders, but if i try to add a control by myself from the folders it doesn't work. hmm

> Make sure you're in surface mode. Drop the new control into the project window and position it on the module before moving it into the ControlChild folder in the Project Explorer.

Beware: not all controls can be used like that. A button (for ex.) will work, but not the on-off button. No idea yet why. But Simon, thanks a lot. It makes things much clearer.

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:32 pm
by faxinadu
you dont need the on/off button to do on off. just use a regular button as 2-state!

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:03 am
by sharc
Any surface GO will work on the modular module surface. You can even do pages.
It's likely you'll encounter problems with anything (combolists for example) which goes outwith the boundaries of the module. Also take care not to cover up the pads with surface groups.

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:25 pm
by DragonSF

> sharc wrote:Any surface GO will work on the modular module surface. You can even do pages.
> It's likely you'll encounter problems with anything (combolists for example) which goes outwith the boundaries of the module. Also take care not to cover up the pads with surface groups.

I had the same thought and I made the Module surface very big - like filling the screen. The normal button shows, the on-off not. (later I found the reason: you have to swap view ID)
It doesn't really matter, because the normal button works just fine.

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:49 am
by faxinadu
what is so annoying is that in move mode if you move your module all your i/o goes out of alignment, so frustrating :0

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:24 am
by faxinadu
still can't get new controls to show on the surface. i do it like you describe here but as soon as i move a control into the ControlChild folder, the control disappears.

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:43 pm
by DragonSF

> faxinadu wrote:still can't get new controls to show on the surface. i do it like you describe here but as soon as i move a control into the ControlChild folder, the control disappears.

Check if the controls have circuit or surface view ids. In surface screen, only controls with a surface ID are visible.(right click element in project tree/tool/swap view ID circuit->surface or the other way)

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:16 pm
by DragonSF

> faxinadu wrote:what is so annoying is that in move mode if you move your module all your i/o goes out of alignment, so frustrating :0

Yes, extremly annoying. So move only in surface mode.

#### Re: Need guide to go from standard module to modular

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:16 am
by faxinadu

> DragonSF wrote:

> > faxinadu wrote:still can't get new controls to show on the surface. i do it like you describe here but as soon as i move a control into the ControlChild folder, the control disappears.

> Check if the controls have circuit or surface view ids. In surface screen, only controls with a surface ID are visible.(right click element in project tree/tool/swap view ID circuit->surface or the other way)

nice one claus!!! works thank you