## the VHS1 as a device!

Device/Module Wishlist

Original topic on PlanetZ: https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=26202

#### the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:45 am
by the19thbear
YES! i would like the VHS1 as a device, with only the most basic controls!

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:48 pm
by erminardi
mee too

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:15 am
by chriskorff
What's the VHS1?
Please tell me it's a perfect, one-to-one recreation of my old Grundig video player!

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:32 am
by next to nothing
chris, you are more right than you think
check it out (its called vcr1 though, not vhs1) at https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic ... 15&t=26172
Oh, you MUST listen to the example mp3!

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:41 am
by Shroomz~>
Yeah, the demo mp3 is seriously warped. Sounds a bit like one of those Dharma initiative videos in lost (sound quality wise).

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:23 pm
by chriskorff
Wow...
I was actually joking! Why the fuck would anyone want to make anything sound like it's been through a VHS tape!?
Though now that I come to think of it, I probably could find a use for such a device... Hopefully the UI would include a crappy old remote control, with bits of sellotape around the edges to hold the battery in place - and chew marks from where my dog bit it!
Actually, even better would be to have the front of the Grundig video player as the main panel, but there'd also be a big sofa that you had to click on between some of the cushions to bring up the remote control! It could even have such advanced features as 'SP/LP mode', or maybe even 'Set Timer'...
Seriously though...
WHY!?

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:31 pm
by chriskorff
OMFG!
I hadn't heard the demo before I posted... that is FUCKING GENIUS! Makes me want to grow a mullet and fuck girls with really hairy muffs! To a background of cheesey '80s synth-pop! With a camera rolling in the corner! While never actually fixing the refrigerator!
Quality.
I want it now! I can actually hear how most of it was done (the 60Hz hum is quite authentic, but for the benefit of those living in the UK with perfect absolute pitch, can you include a UK/US switch that makes it 50Hz?) The wow & flutter are awesome, and I love the filtering!
Fan - fucking - tastic!

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:58 pm
by Shroomz~>
Ken's patch gives you the hum, noise & filtering, but I think those wow & flutter effects in his demo were created by other means.

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:00 pm
by spefor

> the19thbear wrote:YES! i would like the VHS1 as a device, with only the most basic controls!

+2
Please Shroomz ! do it for us. Thank U.

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:07 am
by Shroomz~>
I don't have time free to make it, but there's plenty other people who might. In fact there's at least 3 of you on this thread saying you want this that all have an sdk, so get your fingers out.
Mark

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:15 am
by kylie

> Shroomz~> wrote:In fact there's at least 3 of you on this thread saying you want this that all have an sdk, so get your fingers out.

Advantage: Shroomz~>

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:12 pm
by kensuguro

> I hadn't heard the demo before I posted... that is FUCKING GENIUS! Makes me want to grow a mullet and fuck girls with really hairy muffs! To a background of cheesey '80s synth-pop! With a camera rolling in the corner! While never actually fixing the refrigerator!

"while never actually fixing the refrigerator!"... classic!!! You also nailed it.. I was wondering about the 50hz folks. easy to tune in the mod patch.
hehe, VHS-1 might not be a bad name, i actually kind of like it.
Actually, the one I posted on mod forum uses the insert shell, so while tweaking it might be drag, if you just want to put it in an insert and stick with the default settings, it's quite simple.
but thanks guys, it is an honor to even be on the wishlist.

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:54 pm
by Shroomz~>

> stardust wrote:yeah but my clumsy fingers wont play the tune with the atoms right

That's not likely mate.

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:20 pm
by voidar
Just letting people know I'm working on something here .
A bit to early to release it and I might want to redo the whole circuit with atoms instead of mod-modules. I am also thinking of giving it true-stereo capabilites in all its impressive glory ..
Controls from left to right are:
Hum w. 50/60Hz toggle -> generic noise -> crackle & crackle intensity -> overall signal to noise control.

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#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:11 pm
by erminardi
Nice visual idea! Super!

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:13 am
by kensuguro
hahaha, awesome man! mullet core...
You might also want to add controls for the tape speed error (the mod delay) so you can control the amount and also the speed of the sin lfo. Just speaking off the top of my head.
Stereo would be awesome, just be sure to have the width controlable so you can choose to go mono. The earlier decks were mono anyway.
If you have any good ideas for things to replace the distortion units with, that'll be great too.

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:16 am
by voidar
Already on top of the stereo/mono thing. As I remember, the stereo encoded component on a VHS was pretty high-fidelity compared to the mono component, to the degree that cassette deckers would use them for their masters. I've already incorporated a "fidelity" knob that seamlessly morphs between the bandpass circuits and might just settle for that as a solution.
Adjustable tape-speed error is a good idea, though I think the original setting was awesome.
As for the dist-stage; I've redone the whole circuit with SDK modules as I got some surface errors if I choose to optimize the device ("XTC-compatible") when using modular modules, though I am not completely there yet. I found I have to use less distortion than the mod-patch as of now, but I am working on it.
Maybe I could substitute it for a ECC83 stage, hehe. As this device is sort of turning more into a general lo-fi thing. Staying with the GUI though .
Cheers..:!

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:13 pm
by kensuguro
awesome looks great!

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:27 am
by voidar
Been a bit delay on this one. I mean, it's basically finished, but I want to do some more work on it. Please use the modular version in the mean time ..
I might also want to improve on the devices circuit.

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:37 pm
by the19thbear
cool! take your time! i'm sure it will be done before the release of the xite...

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:24 pm
by metele
cheers, can i ask how are you going with this?

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:02 pm
by voidar
Ok,
Here is a beta version. Maybe you could give me some feedback. I want to modify the circuit somewhat to make AC hum more random etc. Also I need to figure out the GUI.
You can get a lot more noise from this than just a VHS type of noise.
Should save in project. Presets don't work yet.

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#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:40 pm
by metele
thank you,
it works great. nothing to add really, maybe adjustin some pitchin/flutterin anomalities would be nice.. with real vhs besides that pitch is making that waving (which is emulated great indeed) happens some random occassionally stretches and fluttering (somebody might mention this allready). basicly thats only thing im missing here when compared to real thing, just something that could made it even more authentic.
said that, this device is just crazy good and very 80´s sounding.. makes perfect combination with many of DCO-synths. thank you so much!

#### Re: the VHS1 as a device!

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:53 am
by voidar
Yes, it definitely could need some more work to make it close to perfect. I can't say now when I will have time to continue some actual work. Up to now it has mainly been GUI and recreating the modular patch with SDK atoms. Some of the filters and EQ sound differnt too in SDK and could need some more tweaks.
Perhaps if someone would be interested in continuing developement, I could share the project.