## MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

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Original topic on PlanetZ: https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27279

#### MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:58 am
by dawman
I am faced with a dilemma as I might have to read musical scores while performing.
I have to buy a 9U rackmounted 20" LCD and use the rackmount kit for my Standtastic Keyboard stand. In this way I could scroll through musical scores that were converted to pdf. files vertically.
Is there a way in Scope to use a giant notepad or something, and have MIDI CC's for page to page jumps or scrolling?
This is a new thing for me and I must prepare as turning pages is not an option. Especially if I have to cover horns and strings.
Thnakfully I always practice reading music I never played before as it is helpful to keep from getting rusty. But I need a way to do this, and also have found out my rack might be as far away as 30 feet.......... Jeez it use to be so easy just playing a Piano.
Any Ideas?

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:09 am
by Neutron
you need to input midi CC and output scrolling a document (mousewheel, i guess)
i think you might need something PC based. scope does not have any connection with your OS and other programs.
maybe bidule has a keyboard/mouse output module? or maybe someone made one. you just need CC > scroll wheel speed or something.
or something else like glovepie or max/msp
since glovepie is free look at that first, i think it can convert various input and output signals to different ones.

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:15 am
by bosone
if you are dealing with pdf, i don't think handling things in SFP is viable.
the only thing that came in my mind was to look for a sort of MIDI application in order to assign, for example, a switch pedal to a keyboard stroke - ex. pag.down - to handle the scrolling in acrobat. you could use SFP to route the incoming midi signal to a midi dest to the appropriate windows application.

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:16 am
by bosone
http://www.bome.com/midi/translator/mt_classic.html
Another powerful feature is the MIDI-to-keystroke translation: get unlimited control over any Windows program by using a MIDI device, like control surfaces (e.g. Tascam US-428).
See some screenshots.

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:37 am
by dawman
Thanks Guys,
It sounds do able. I haven't read scores for decades. I read Piano music horn charts, etc.
But with scores there are multiple instruments which means you get 4 to 8 bars before you need to flip the page.
There's no way I can do that while trying to cover 2 or 3 instruments.
These Productiuon Managers are as bad as guys at Cubase.net with their requests for unrealistic goals. I can only assume that others have done this before or they wouldn't have had the knowledge. I really need 2 screens for the xite-1 anyways so that's no problemo.
I also now realize this must be done horizontally if at all possible. Scrolling left to right so I can maintain a smooth transition instead of a page jump.......
I always boast about how I can play anything, so now I must put my money where my mouth is.
WTF have I got myself into...??
I have 4 months to prepare.
Below is the way a score will look. The one below is my favorite Wagner Opera and I can cover 2 parts no problemo, but jumping around w/ 3 and 4 parts on a 4 zone controller is going to be a chore for sure. Thankfully I can apply overlapping zones on the fly.
Thanks again, I'll post back when I figure something out.
IMG_1857.jpg
Even though I will only be using 4 or 5 fingers this is no walk in the park.
You know what sucks the most though, is all of the synths from Bowen and SpaceF, and the XITE-1 I have purchased, and I will be using Rompler instruments......go figure.

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:12 am
by dawman
Here's a last resort option as I believe this 12.1 screen will be difficult to view.
http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/re ... -20070618/
I like converted pdf.'s as that is what I cuurently use on my DAW for reading.
I need to scroll left to right and it seems this is why I need some custom approach.
I have been invited to the MAX/DSP forum, but these guy talk like scientists.
Oh well, I have embarrassed myself many times, so this will be nothing new.

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:17 am
by Neutron
http://www.musicreader.net/
dont waste money on dedicated hardware with crappy support.
just get a cheap monitor and some software.

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:39 am
by dawman
Actually Brotha' Man Neutron,
I think I figured out a way to do this.
I might need a hot key conversion to CC device or something.
But FoxIt can be customized to scroll left to right.
If I can use 2 footswitches from my MIDI Solutions F8 with the help of a MIDI CC converter, I can then re write and scan all of the music.
That will give me 12-16 bars per page and the ability to back up and go forward.
How could I apply hot keys to MIDI CC's in Scope?

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:34 am
by netguyjoel

> XITE-1/4LIVE wrote:Actually Brotha' Man Neutron,
> I think I figured out a way to do this.
> I might need a hot key conversion to CC device or something.
> But FoxIt can be customized to scroll left to right.
> If I can use 2 footswitches from my MIDI Solutions F8 with the help of a MIDI CC converter, I can then re write and scan all of the music.
> That will give me 12-16 bars per page and the ability to back up and go forward.
> How could I apply hot keys to MIDI CC's in Scope?

Neutron, Jimmy V,
You guys scare me....
Joel

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:16 am
by dawman
Hey I don't know shit, I got a few chops that's about it.
Guys here make synths, devices, recordings and help my lame ass out at my gigs.
4 years ago I had a GigaDaw and all hardware, management and a crew.
Now I got a rack that replaced all of that, and these guys are my crew.
Lazy guys won't help me pack my gear, but they sure helped to build it....

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:29 am
by netguyjoel
It's still more than me...
Joel

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:40 am
by dawman
Stick with these guys and you'll go places............

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:46 am
by netguyjoel
I want to get into developing devices too...I have a few chops myself...(php, cgi, pearl, etc)
But for now...a 6 DSP card won't hack it...
I was hoping (as in one of my previous posts) I WTB a 15 DSP card, so I can get the SDK...
Do you know if the Xite will have the SDK, or will that be another seperate item to look for?
please advise...
Joel

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:21 pm
by dawman
Since I am lame w/ VST apps, can someone check and see if this will work for horizontal scrolling?
I still do not have a solution, but I think I can get what I want if I can find a MIDI CC to QWERTY translator inside of Scope.
I remember I was crying for one for VDAT, but maybe in the future.
Ankyuvarymush.

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:30 pm
by Neutron
the scope SDK can not have access to windows keystroke. i think that is not currently possible.

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:14 pm
by dawman
Bome's Midi Translator Pro
Bome's Midi Translator Pro is the popular MIDI and keystroke mapping tool: use it for controlling arbitrary software by way of MIDI and keystrokes. Its rich feature set allows it to be used for general Windows automation, too.
It works by specifying mappings for different input and output types. Below is a list of different trigger types (Incoming) and action types (Outgoing). You can combine them as you wish, e.g. do keystroke-to-MIDI conversion, or MIDI-to-mouse mapping.
See some screenshots.
Incoming Actions
MIDI messages
keystrokes *)
timer *)
enable/disable the current preset
opening a project file
Processing ("Rules")
A sequence of rules can be defined to be processed if the incoming action matches:
assignments of variables, e.g. pp=20 *)
simple expressions, e.g. pp=og+128 *)
labels and goto, e.g. goto "2nd Options" *)
conditional execution, e.g. IF pp<20 THEN do not execute Outgoing Action *)
Outgoing Actions
MIDI messages
keystrokes
mouse movements *)
window messages *)
create/start/stop timer *)
change active preset
enable/disable the current preset
execute program (new in version 1.7.0) *)
*) Feature only available in Pro edition.
New in version 1.7.0 (Windows)
These are the major new features in version 1.7.0:
enhanced MIDI support:
- use multiple MIDI ports
- virtual MIDI ports included
- can define MIDI port aliases to abstract MIDI port names
- MIDI router for direct MIDI THRU connections (in Project Properties)
enhanced keystroke emulation: should work with games, too (DirectX fix)
added more global variables: all 2-letter combinations starting with i, j, k, ...n (e.g. i0, ja, k7, etc.)
edit Rules directly in text field
new outgoing action: execute program
http://www.bome.com/midi/translator/
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Brotha' Man Neutron,
Could you read this a little and see if it might work.
I appreciate it if you have time. I don't understand what they're saying, but because I can add a foot pedal it sounds like I could use it somehow.
I'll try and read it again but I can't picture in my head how it will work.
Ankyuvarymush....

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:28 am
by nightscope
A few thoughts on this here issue. BOMES could do it, in theory. A BOMES preset for each song in the performance. Within each seperate BOMES preset a series of translator entries for each page of the song. Incoming for each page would be a unique MIDI message, preset change, even timed, whatever. Outgoing would be right arrow keystroke to change page in Foxit. This is all theoretical as I don't use the BOMES.
Rather you than me, sounds like a lot of headache. Neutron's Musicreader looks good. It appears to have a back and forth footpedal. http://www.musicreader.net/foot-pedal-r ... one-2.html
Means the whole performance might be able to be loaded into one Musicreader file negating the necessity to load a different file for each song though I guess a .pdf could be created for the whole performance too. Bit of tap dancing to go through the pages.
Again, all theoretical as I never used any of this stuff.
ns

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:03 pm
by dawman
How did I miss that..........?
I think I confused that with another page I had loaded.
Thanks for tip. It is a headache, but I got time to put something together.
I just hate buying software that I can't demo anymore.
Getting screwed by developers for samples has left a bad taste in my mouth.
I think your right about this nightscope.
If it doesn't work out it didn't cost too much.
Besides I will memorize the scores within days. I just want to look sharp for the audition.
Nobody wants to hear excuses, just results.
Reminds me of the Producers, the original movie by Mel Brooks w/ Zero Mostel, not that new gay version.
In the old movie they were seperating the dancing Hitlers from the singing Hitlers and then once they started singing, the ones that sucked were rudely interupted by the Producer who would yell........." ANKYU "........really loud while they were still singing...
God I would die if that ever happened to me.
I do love to use the term Ankyu, but that guy's ANKYU is the best I have ever heard.
The guy below lasted longer than most in the movie, but he too was ANKYU'd off of the stage.

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:25 pm
by Neutron
why dont you just get a game controller foot pedal and map the controller to the arrow keys.

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:28 pm
by dawman
What app would I use to map it?
A footswitch is no biggie really, but what did you have in mind?
I would love to hear from you on this, as you guys are basically my crew, and GaryB is my key tech.

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:39 pm
by Neutron
almost every game controller has an app that comes with it to map any button to any keystroke.
or get some unemployed dancer to turn the pages for you

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:43 pm
by dawman
Alright, you're gonna make me work.
I call my kid he'll know what's up with this stuff.
I'm really quite a moron with computers and stuff.
I only talk about something I am versed with.
Jeez, I did my first email 3 years ago and first 50 got no reply because I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.........
http://www.audubonstrings.com/store/pro ... ts_id/8614
p39412b.jpg
Here's something I can handle.........
I can get Sibelius and other scoring apps anyway.
I have hand written scores since I was stelinf Emerson's licks.
I also need to jump into this centtury with this stuff.....
I don't like yelling at myself, that's why I buy stuff so I can yell at the developer if it doesn;t work.

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:45 pm
by nightscope
The free version of BOMES does midi cc to keystroke. The pay version is full of clever stuff.
If you created a .pdf of the entire performance all's you'd have to do is create one preset in BOMES with one line in it. Any simple midi pedal could fire off a CC into BOMES on a chosen port. That's the incoming. Then BOMES would just convert that into a right arrow key and send it to turn the page in Foxit. That's the outgoing. Zero cash outlay.
The game controller thing would work but they're a bit like accelerator pedals, you got to do some travel and back some to get things to work. A simple midi pedal could just be zapped.
It'll never fly.
ns

#### Re: MIDI Controlled Scrolling w/ Scope?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:25 pm
by dawman
You're right there NightScope.
I am going to give it a whirl and see how it works.
Thanks Brosky............