## Vocal extraction, and preservation.

Scope and XITE Development

Original topic on PlanetZ: https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=16570

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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:35 pm
by dawman
I'm unfamiliar with this surgical technique, and was hoping someone who is into forensics for police might be helpfull. I only wish to redo some old recordings when our groups' vocals were compared to the "Little River Band'. Our lead vocalist, bless his heart is no longer with us, and we want to do re-makes with new music, using the old vocals. Any Scope related software, or any platform for that matter?
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Jimmy V.

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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:16 pm
by at0m
I'm sorry to hear about your singer :/
Hope Neutron's xenon codec can get you started. It outputs the center and side panned signals on different outputs.
In the ideal case of voice being panned dead center and the rest a little off, you will be able to separate it. A while ago I tried removing voice from a track, which is technically almost the same, and it seemed not to work too well: voice was reduced about 3-6dB with little artifacts, from 6-12dB it had clearly audible artefacts.
The result will largely depend on the source material, playing with EQ and/or filters can help a little for example for removing bass which will also be panned in the center, like the vocals usually. Don't expect miracles, but it should put you on the way
Btw, this forum is usually used for developpers talk, requests can go in the wishlist...

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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:28 pm
by garyb
lots-o-luck...
custom algorythms by a genius programmer/audio engineer might just do it....

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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:12 am
by astroman
if you've missed it
https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic ... &f=7&7
cheers, Tom

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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:29 pm
by dawman
Bet you guys are tired of me thanking you, but thank you. This forum is what makes Scope worth the asking price.

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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:58 pm
by pseudojazzer
On a different tack, there is some vocal extractor thing that Alesis sell for about £80, really can't remember what its called - something like the "vocal zapper" - dunno if its any good at all but its worth a look so long as you can try before you buy....
Tuppenny bit

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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:03 pm
by dawman
Thank You Sir,
An associate of mine uses Zapper for creating Kareokee tracks. It works great, but in opposite direction of my endeavor. At any rate I'm having alot of contractual problems securing the Masters at this time. But am feverish to re-record with Scope, and it's 32bit integer VDAT app. I've compared old Hammond tracks vrs. B2003 tracks, and am convinced I can achieve great results. Will continue my noble quest. Imagine vocals similar to Little River Band, with fresh new GS3/Scope sounds.

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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:24 pm
by next to nothing
this is prolly a stupid suggestion, but if you have instrumental versions of same track you could theoretically line them up perfectly and phase-reverse one of them.

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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:51 pm
by hubird

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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:24 pm
by dawman
I'll try to explain my dilemma. I doubt I will be able to obtain the masters. Therfore I only have CD's. My only option that I'm aware of is dumping them in the box, and doing some forensic surgery to remove the vocals without too many artifacts. Please explain your idea to me a little more. It reminds me of Spocks matter-anti matter theory, which I would also consider, because at this point I'm getting quite desparate. Thanks for your input. Wow just realised that you and I are in the same time zone, or am I truly Scoped out? Sorry it just sank in, I am scoped out. Must drink coffee quickly.
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Jimmy V.

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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:57 pm
by H-Rave
Unfortunately 4Live I've tried the matter to anti-matter theory from people who say"yeah what if you inverse the phase of one side of the stereo track" or whatever, and it mostly comes from those who haven't tried it,and I will,if I may say, "It doesn't bloody work!",I've come across some not too bad results with Waves X-Hum Noise,a Waves Plugin.I'm sure with several effect passes it might just work,but I've never pushed it to beyond 3 or 4 passes.

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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:17 am
by Aries
John, this topic should transfered to General Scope discussion or Device/Module Wishlist