## Tape recorder

Device/Module Wishlist

Original topic on PlanetZ: https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=15777

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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:35 pm
by Kymeia
Has anyone made a tape recorder device like VDat but just one or two tracks at a time? - just simple record and save as wav - thats all I need really.

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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:02 pm
by scary808
You can do it with the STS samplers with rec inputs.

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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:15 pm
by alfonso
In some very heavy on dsp projects, an sts3000 can be too much, a little device that does stereo recording and works like vdat would be kickass...

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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:56 am
by marcuspocus
Yep, bunch of people on planetz asked for this long time ago!
Like you said, you'd be kick ass !!!

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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:30 am
by Kymeia
I can't seem to get my STS to record anything - don't like using it much, you have to wade through so many windows to get where you want.
All I need is a simple recorder to place in a project and avoid having to use asio to record audio. You'd think one would come with Scope really.

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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:51 pm
by borg
mmmmmmmm, i'd like one of those...

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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:22 am
by cannonball
hi
a suggestion for creamware marketin'
take Vdat DPproject remove 6 in and output
add a stereo feature rec in out
add 4 insert slot
give us vmeter before and after insert
put this devices at a cheap price
Like 39 euro and voilà
all the people will buy this dreamin plug
of course 32bit/96khz compatibility
easy and usefull for the plattform
and cash for creamware

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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:12 am
by voidar
The problem with STS3000 is that it records to memory and not disc, so you will eat it up quickly. That's ok for mixdown of radio-pop music, but not for 10+ min tracks.

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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:36 pm
by Kymeia
Well I eventually did get it to record something but only after setting up zones in the sample editor window and various other windows etc. What a crappy interface. A quick disk recorder it is not.
Personally I think Creamware should include a cut down recorder like a 2 track VDat as standard.

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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:47 am
by at0m

> a cut down recorder like a 2 track VDat as standard

Just a note... linking a couple of those thru Clock will make identical options as VDAT So to keep selling any VDAT's they should make the stereo device at least without sync options then... But indeed, some basic recording device would be welcome!

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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:51 pm
by astroman
exactly the same idea entered my mind, but honestly at 99 shop buggy euros, who'd want to miss VDAT ?
cheers, Tom

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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:57 pm
by alfonso

> On 2005-04-26 18:51, astroman wrote:
> exactly the same idea entered my mind, but honestly at 99 shop buggy euros, who'd want to miss VDAT ?
> cheers, Tom

They could give it for free to all VDAT owners...

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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:05 pm
by Kymeia

> On 2005-04-26 18:51, astroman wrote:
> exactly the same idea entered my mind, but honestly at 99 shop buggy euros, who'd want to miss VDAT ?
> cheers, Tom

I must admit I did try that option a few times but at the moment everytime I enter my activation code the server spunks out
And I'm certainly not paying 200 for it. Their loss I guess.

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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:59 pm
by symbiote
If you don't mind using a native application, there's always Silen Bob:
http://www.silent-bob.de/en/getit.htm
Don't worry, you'll end up with the same quality bits with no difference in warmth =P

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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 10:45 am
by ThomasT

> On 2005-04-20 17:35, Kymeia wrote:
> Has anyone made a tape recorder device like VDat but just one or two tracks at a time? - just simple record and save as wav - thats all I need really.

Why do you need this?
E.g. I record my mix on a additional stereo track in Cubase.

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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:07 pm
by Shayne White
Yeah, a little 2-track recorder would be awesome. Especially if it did 24- or 32-bit.

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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:24 am
by cannonball
!bump!

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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:45 am
by Shroomz~>
gets my vote...

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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:23 am
by erminardi
I vote for it too!
It could be a fundamental mastering tool, actually I must ever create 8 tracks to obtain stereo recording in VDat...too much space in my HD wasted!

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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:39 pm
by astroman
I vote against it, because it's nonsense
1.) many sequencer users apply the method of the 'spare stereo track' (as written above) or use their preferred wave editor (for whatever reasons)
2.) the Scope native 32bit int format isn't what's usually exchanged, so you'd want to convert/dither it anyway, let alone if you want to write a CD
3.) there is no waste of space in VDAT
you can use 4 independant stereopairs by alternating/muting the tracks.
cheers, Tom
ps: for those who complain that it's ahhh so easy and CWA should do it for free:
sit down with your favourite compiler and write the stupid merger for the 2 panned channels...

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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:13 pm
by cannonball
1 i would like use scope engine and not external sequencer or wave editor for play and recording in some mixing or mastering situation
2 you can capture the real 32 bit integer engine anyway in live recording or mixin mastering session and apply dither to a better signal
3 there isn't stereo pairs but 8 mono track
you must use an external editor for get a stereo track
4 creamware could create a new device not necessatily free with
some cool feature like little editing, cut paste, insert silence,master meter peak rms ,insert fx etc
and sell it for
a good price depends to the features added
respect to the buggy Vdat
and you know isn't easy built this
device but i'm sure you will change idea about the subject if you can use it and or try it

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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:00 pm
by Music Manic

> ps: for those who complain that it's ahhh so easy and CWA should do it for free:
> sit down with your favourite compiler and write the stupid merger for the 2 panned channels...

We put a man on the moon didn't we?

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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:34 pm
by astroman
well, the technical part is rather easy, but the interface for choosing files, having preferred locations etc may be more demanding than one estimates at first glance.
in fact the sentence you quote was no irony
yet the 'exotic' (but in SFP preferred) 32bit integer format remains - and I seriously doubt that CWA has dithering algorithms (that comply with the systems quality demand) at hand.
so at least this external application is needed to make the 'hard left - hard right' panned equivalent of a stereo pair a master track.
And if I remember right such (specialized) software is anything but el cheapo, yet worth the expense (according to reviews) if one is after top results
for anything with less demand there is a ton of stuff.
Of course I'd appreciate a CWA editor as well, but there is a really BIG catch:
only 5% of the developement time (and effort) would be spent on audio quality items, where CWA has their focus.
95% would deal with GUI and OS stuff and I definetely wouldn't want to see wxWidgets once again.
you know I'm old-fashioned, that's why my gear (still) shows the graphic flaws, that 'modern' cards seem to compensate with pure power
CWA would have to 'off-shore' the developement, but even in India prices are rising - and for that limited functionality it would never pay off.
See recent price discussions - this is a professional audio platform regarding tech specs, but obviously not regarding it's (paying) customer base, except a few fools like you and me.
VDAT may be buggy in context with a hardware BRC (on which I cannot comment), but I'd rather assume it suffers from Windows file handling.
Admittedly the process of loading/unloading tapes (handling them securely) isn't very intuitive - and a great opportunity to mess things.
cheers, Tom

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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:32 am
by Shroomz~>

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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:55 am
by cannonball
anyway seem creamware doesn't have the time to do it

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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:02 am
by Shroomz~>
Unfortunately It's highly unlikely to happen Cannonball & for that reason, there's no sense in us wasting our breath trying to persuade those who always know better & would argue with a fleck of paint on the wall in an empty room.

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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:05 am
by at0m
Or, from another view: should they really devote their time to make a sequencer? Considering the amount and quality of current native sequencers, imagine what time they would have to invest to make something that's competitive. Especially knowing the possibilities of the interface that's being used by Scope - it's just not made for sequencers IMO. The amount of CW resources required would stop the development clock for years, in fields in which Scope really has no equal on the market: realtime synthesis and sound processing.
I would love to have a proper sequencer on Scope, but I'd hate to see them waste their time on it.

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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:19 am
by Shroomz~>
We'd just like a cut down Stereo version of VDAT. Hell, I'll do the graphics for free if someone can make the device.

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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:24 am
by dawman
I second at0m's emotion,
A simple 8 track MIDI/audio recorder which could dump down to VDAT for bouncing and re recordable overdubs. Then the simple 2 track 2 WAV. for sending off as demo or 2 use at a studio somewhere else in the world like the drummer Dave Weckyl does with his tracks 4 hire program.

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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:34 am
by astroman
some quality stuff for dithering
the site has some brochures and pdfs to download
cheers, tom

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:30 am
by Shroomz~>
It's obviously not possible for normal SDK or DP users to make such a device or they most certainly would have, wouldn't they?
Why nowbody would build such a thing after all these years of Scope developement if it WAS possible, escapes me completely. That said however, the same could be said of the wonderfull semi-modular synths that John Bowen has starting making this year after 6-8 years working with Scope. How on earth did nobody think of it before..
So, maybe it's possible in theory with the basic SDK tools available to everyone & it's just that nobody has bothered or devoted themselves to the task.

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:06 pm
by sharc
My guess would be that there isn't the possibility within the SDK to record audio, even samples. Otherwise we would have some sort of 3rd party alternative to the STS series by now, instead of just sample playback devices. I think any sort of audio recorder might be outwith the reach of (most of) the third party developers and would need to be developed by CW themselves. Oh well, it was a nice thought at least.

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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:39 am
by braincell
I own the VDAT but haven't used it. After reading some posts about it and the higher quality of audio recording over Cubase, I am going to try it, at least for mastering and SFP native sounds etc..
I agree about the STS, bad GUI! Unlike some people I think using the RAM can be an advantage. Less wear on the hard drives and more voices. As you know there is always a limit to the amount of hard drive tracks so being able to use more on top of those would be great. A news sampler that is special, not just another module would be fantastic and for once make it full screen. Break the rules.
If Creamware is to make a sequencer I agree it is a major ordeal but sequencers are not made overnight. They are built up little by little. They ought to start with a small sequencer and gradually improve it over the years. There is just not enough staff for any R&D other than the ASB series synthesizers and the radio software which I know nothing about.
I'm still the lone voice calling for Creamware to be sold to another company that will have the pockets for development and marketing. I fail to see how going nowhere benefits anyone.

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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:28 pm
by dawman
I second the motion. But only a company like Avid would be a good scenario 4 CW. Look what Tascam did to Gigastudio,..nothing really, except overbloat their app. with shit that doesn't work. They control the show. I watch as VSL now goes it's own way, along with Quantum Leap and many others. Finally Giga will be a VSTi. A little late I think, and if it is anything like GS3, they will lose my money. But Avid allows M Audio to act as a seperate entity. For instance my friends company has had offers from M Audio to acquire his business, and Monster Cable also. They still act like they are on their own playing field. Thats what I call financial help. You must turn a profit for them and yourself to get in that game. CW would sell so easy in the USA if it had a PR based marketing scheme. I just hope CW does well, and I will be buying an ASB just to make sure I did my part for the Black Forest Bunch.
Ich Bin Zare Optimichtich,
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:15 am
by Janni
"Ja Ja heißt: leck mich am arsch!"
Cheers,
Jan

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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:53 am
by katano
pffft

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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:25 am
by Shroomz~>
Dutch is a nicer sounding language to my ear, but then I have had about 6 Dutch girlfriends in my life, so maybe I'm biased.