## Master Wave Recorder / Bouncer

Device/Module Wishlist

Original topic on PlanetZ: https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=20221

####

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:36 am
by angialfa
Hi, Im new on this forum and really happy that i found it! Looking at all the great tools that i found here, i find it almost incredible, that nobody has come with the idea of a unit, where you can bounce the stereo signal to WAVE STRAIGHT on your HARDDISK, instead of resending it again to, for example, cubase and record the final stereo track. The wave destination on scope feature is totally bullshit, cause when you try to record the wave to wavelab or samplitude, for instance, its so full of clicks that i cant understand how creamware can implement such a device if it doesnt work at all. The cool part of having the possibility of bouncing straight on, i think, is that the the material doesnt have to flow again through any i/os. So you would get exactly what you here. No loss! It would be great if anybody could do such a device!!! Greets

####

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:00 am
by djmicron
i'm sure that there is something wrong in your setup, because the recording from other applications is a normal routine.
I've found in scope sdk some dsp atom that is related to audio recording, but without related documentation it's very hard to make a wave recording device.....

####

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:34 pm
by Lima
I record all the time passing thru the wave dest, and the take is perfect. Have you choosed the right samplerate in your wave recorder? Does you system have any IRQ conflicts? Is your system VIA based?
Just a few ideas

####

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:26 am
by tgstgs
forget wave dest !!!
use at least ASIO dest!!
everything inside your PC (application or HW) uses this driver; so its signal is invluenced by many sources;
some people here love tests so heres another one:
take controlroom connect testgenerator to wave dest;
activate generator at prefilled 1000HZ -20DB;
now open wavelab push recbutton and open the spectrum analycer;
if you are lucky and dont touch anything you see 2 lines up at 1000HZ around;
now move your mouse you can see 2 lines down and abouth the first 2 lines of 1000Hz are reacting;
at about -30 to -50 DB;
open windows explorer and you see the access of HDs reading invlueces the signal;
USB, LAN, HDs, CD, DVD, windowssounds and other applications invluences this signal even your mousemovements;
use wave dest for TV or dvd watching, for playing mp3 or playing games but not if you want to make good recordings;
if you invest a lot of time in tweaking the system you can eleminate this to 0 but not at all;
ASIO can also have clicks an d pops but then djmicron is right your setup has a BIG problem
good vibes from vienna

####

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:39 am
by garyb
the wav dest works perfectly! i use it into samplitude all the time!
if you are getting clicks while using samplitude(or wavelab) and cubase it's a resource problem. when doing such an operation with a heavy project in cubse press cntrl-alt-del choose processes. find sam or wavelab and right click. choose "set priority" and then "above normal". do the same for scope, except choose ""low" or "below normal". it'll work.
or just record to a new asio channel in cubase.

####

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:17 pm
by arela
VDAT is another option

####

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:29 am
by angialfa
Thank guys for all your answers. The best solution so far has been to record through a asio dest back to nuendo like garyb suggested. Thats the cleanest so far.Also i prefere it to the vdat option cause its great to have a final track perfectly synchronized to the single tracks. I have tried really everything to get the wave dest to work, but if i set the process to "above normal" for wavelab then i get even more clicks. The thing is that since garyb and lima say that wave dest works perfect for him, then something could be wrong with my setup, cause there must be a way to make it work. But i have surely brand new generation of gear: so no IRQ conflicts cause apic mb, 3.4 gh dual core intel, intel chipset, 2 gb kingstone ram, outboard mutec clock generator for synchronisation. To lima: where do i choose the right samplerate in wavelab? is there a possibility to record exactly what comes out of the master output of scope instead of choosing the different audioformats? At last, working also as a graphic designer, i have always my computer set up with 3 different harddisks c: for os, d: for programs, e: for files and if possible f: for swapfile. Is it purhaps better in a daw envirement to have winxp, nuendo and audiofiles on the c disk? Beeing a sata disk, it has anyway a 3TIMES bigger datatransfer (hdtach tested). Thank you very much so far . I appreciate you tips.

####

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:06 am
by arela
Don't Wavelab use ASIO drivers?

####

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:09 am
by garyb
yeah, everything on c: would likely be better. you can still put swapfile on another partition if you like, but i haven't needed to screw with swapfiles since xp.
you should, however, have another seperate physical harddrive for your audio and project data.
if you do the "change priority" trick, don't forget to lower scope's priority.

####

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:16 am
by Lima
I don't have wavelab, so I don't know where to set it. Your problem has remembered to me an old issue I've had some time ago. I used Renoise to make some groove and I recorded the tracks in cooledit thru the wave dest. If I setted Renoise to work at 44100 Khz and cooledit at 48kHz (my default samplerate in that time) I had some terrible takes (something like digitally corrupted).
Maybe as Garyb and you said the best way is to use another asio channel.
_________________
Welcome to the dawning of a new empire

####

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:14 pm
by arela
Lima
I did the same from DOP (digital orchestrator PRO) to Cool Edit
And guess what, some project was recorded at 22kHz - i never managed to get them sound good.
But the good thing with our routing possibilities is to use eg Wave Source 1-5 with Audition and Wave Source 6-8 with DOP
Anyway, i suspect the wave drivers for beeing verry human, some days they work perfectly, others they/or Audition is grumpy

####

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:07 pm
by tgstgs
GaryB
'wave dest works perfectly'
with newest generation MB and HW you have to tweak a lot!! to make it run perfectly
better, simpler to use ASIO dest and forget wave dest
with asio you didnt have to tweak anything;
but i know your the man to know the tricks to make them work!
i man plug and work, no time to tweak;
greetings

####

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:43 pm
by garyb
i guess.
i don't do anything that special to any of my machines. there are situations where resources are too limited to have so many heavy applications running. just recording to a channel in cubase(or whatever asio host is running) is a perfectly fine solution. i was just stating that i often use wav drivers with success(24bit wav to be exact).

####

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:56 am
by Lima

> On 2006-10-09 14:14, arela wrote:
> Anyway, i suspect the wave drivers for beeing verry human, some days they work perfectly, others they/or Audition is grumpy

I'm also starting to think that computers ,and generally electronic equipment, have a human behaviour. They have also a great sense of the time because they makes the worst performances when I'm in a hurry or when I need to make a good impression on my friends...

####

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:37 am
by valis
angialfa, go into your control panel, Sounds and Audio devices, go to the Hardware tab, find (one of) your creamware board(s) select & choose properties, then go to the "Settings" tab of the window that opens. On that "Settings" tab for the Pulsar/Scope card you'll see an "Output Preload" slider. Adjust this towards "Big" to eliminate the problems.
You can ignore 'Preferred bit depth' as it is left over from older drivers (you now select bit depth by the driver you load into Scope).

####

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:11 am
by angialfa
Hallo there
thanx again for all the hints but none has worked so far. Im recording through asio dest back to nuendo now. Im really happy with that, but it still bothers me to know that something seems not to be the way it should be. Of course i would be happy to try anything to fix that problem.
Ciao

####

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:50 am
by angialfa
By the way, can antivirus fsecure cause any troubles or does it idle when your not connected to the internet. If it makes troubles how should i work with it to make sure i dont catch a virus?
Thanx

####

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:59 am
by angialfa
Since i use a MUTEC SMART CLOCK as the master CLOCK GENERATOR to synchronize my entire studio, i was asking myself if it would be easier for SFP to work as the master, instead as a slave.
Ciao

####

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:24 am
by darkrezin
Worth a try to see if something weird is happening. Are you using a sync-plate and wordclock? If so there really shouldn't be any problems.

####

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:52 pm
by angialfa
ok thanx darkrezin