## Better GUI

Device/Module Wishlist

Original topic on PlanetZ: https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31846

#### Better GUI

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:40 pm
by braincell
After not using Scope for some time, (because they refused to make a 64 bit driver) I have gone back to Scope for mixing only. The reason why is the GUI is ridiculously tedious to use. They should have a look at Cubase or Reason. Scope is designed to sound good and to look cool but actually using it is a pain in the ass. Why are there no keyboard shortcuts? I think emulating the look of hardware in software is a really stupid idea. Even if you insist on being retro, Reason makes retro that is easy to use. Are they going to move forward with the GUI or just stick with the original bad GUI? Over 10 years and no major change to the GUI. I know they are a small company but this is ridiculous!

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:28 pm
by hubird
it's a bit outdated in it's performance to the user.
Nameing the project for instance, preset handling, project and preset saving environment, stupid messages.
The overall concept of the project window however is unbeaten.
Annoyances against total flexibility, I wouldn't think of having to miss the virtual studio with all hw In/Outs.
For new customers is could be a bit distracting at first sight tho.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:15 pm
by braincell
In Reason all the patch cables are hidden unless you press the Tab key but you end up rarely needing to do that. Part of the problem with Scope is that it does not do audio recording unless you count the ADAT thing which is again, ridiculously more difficult to use than it should be and does not include editing of wave forms. They could have fixed a lot of this a long time ago by adding Rewire and I'm not sure why they didn't. It would make my life so much better. I don't think they really care how it works with Cubase.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:12 pm
by jksuperstar
Rewire is for application to application communication, what do you get with rewire instead of just using ASIO?

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:01 am
by FrancisHarmany
Well cable hiding in the routing window is kinda pointless.
Hopefully the new Scope6 will bring some changes!!! It should be here soon

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:37 am
by Mr Arkadin

> braincell wrote:After not using Scope for some time, (because they refused to make a 64 bit driver) I have gone back to Scope for mixing only.

First off they never refused to do a 64-bit driver (please point me to the thread or news item where an SC employee stated this) and second you only have to do a very cursory search of this forum to see that it is more than a driver required - it is not your M-Audio or RME card we're talking about here, which you should know if you actually use Scope.

> braincell wrote:I don't think they really care how it works with Cubase.

It works fine with Cubase or any other ASIO-based DAW. What issues are you having? I could explain to you how to get it running very easily if you are having problems.
I'm not saying that Scope couldn't do with some GUI improvements, I'm all for any improvements, but why surround you potentially interesting thread idea with the usual whining, misinformation and lack of basic knowledge?

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:17 pm
by hubird

> braincell wrote:Part of the problem with Scope is that it does not do audio recording

That's not 'a problem of Scope', you should get Protools for that and pay 50,000.
Specially if you have problems with handling a Windows machine.
I grew up with Pro24 and Cubase together with Scope on mac, and never ever have serious problems.
Well, midi handling by Opcode's midi environment on OS9 was clumsy, but OSX is wonderful.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:57 pm
by dante

> braincell wrote:In Reason all the patch cables are hidden unless you press the Tab key but you end up rarely needing to do that.

Far prefer the Scope cabling to the Reason cabling - Scope gives a much better overview. Reason you have to scroll round and its not as free routing as scope.
HOWEVER - a gui that combined the best of both Scope cabling with Reason racking/cabling would be awesome.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:19 pm
by wayne
Why not troll properly braincell? This is all a bit Lite compared with niceboy's herculean efforts. Try harder

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:35 am
by FrancisHarmany
wayne just be grateful we have some activity here for once

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:11 am
by braincell

> jksuperstar wrote:Rewire is for application to application communication, what do you get with rewire instead of just using ASIO?

It automatically names tracks and automatically connects all devices to Cubase. It syncs the tempo, it allows you to export the audio (very good for scope) also it saves all those connections. Basically Rewire was designed to make a seamless integration with third party software. Anyone who has used Rewire would know how much better it would make Scope. Obviously the people at SC have never used it or it would be a #1 priority.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:13 am
by braincell

> FrancisHarmany wrote:wayne just be grateful we have some activity here for once

I see the people I put on ignore still insist on replying in my threads. I promise you I can't read a word they write about anything and never will. They should learn to use ignore rather than whining about people like little babies.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:35 am
by braincell

> hubird wrote:

> > braincell wrote:Part of the problem with Scope is that it does not do audio recording

> That's not 'a problem of Scope', you should get Protools for that and pay 50,000.
> Specially if you have problems with handling a Windows machine.
> I grew up with Pro24 and Cubase together with Scope on mac, and never ever have serious problems.
> Well, midi handling by Opcode's midi environment on OS9 was clumsy, but OSX is wonderful.

Well typically I like to name my tracks, then I have to do the same thing all over again in Scope. That is twice as much work then you get into patching etc and you are doing everything twice when you should just be thinking about your music. I make a lot of tracks and delete a lot of tracks. I stand by my statement in fact I will put it to you this way, it's a pain in the ass. The other thing I didn't mention I don't like is the small size of the text in Scope when there is so much empty space that isn't being used for anything. I would like all my modules to be 100% full screen (with more data visible) and switch between them with shortcuts. None of this mousing around BS. An example is the Minimax with another screen you can only get to by clicking on a "More." Just because they wanted it to look pretty, they sacrificed functionality. That is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't want to have to click yet again to get to what I want. There is too much mousing and clicking.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:54 am
by hubird

> braincell wrote: Well typically I like to name my tracks, then I have to do the same thing all over again in Scope. That is twice as much work then you get into patching etc and you are doing everything twice when you should just be thinking about your music. I make a lot of tracks and delete a lot of tracks. I stand by my statement in fact I will put it to you this way, it's a pain in the ass. The other thing I didn't mention I don't like is the small size of the text in Scope when......

That's a meager profit for the user to do the effort of hooking up Rewire to Scope by S/C, especially if you have Cubase in use anyway.
OSX for example is much more relevant to the platform, to name something.
The rest of your points have nothing to do with Rewire.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:49 pm
by dante
I must admit I like it when renaming a device in Reason, the renaming reflects automatically in Cubase.
If Scope did the same thing (via a rewire implementation) to me that would be an improvement to Scope.
Irrespective of development priorities, identifying an improvement is identifying an imrpovement (whether it gets done or not is a different story so shouldn't neccessarily stop discussion).
Rewire is an evolution above ASIO as there can be some exchange of data about what is being connected, like USB improved over the old Serial cable.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:46 pm
by Mr Arkadin

> braincell wrote:They should learn to use ignore rather than whining about people like little babies.

How do you know what we're saying if we're on ignore?
Anyway, as I stated before, a potentially good topic, marred by the usual "anti-Scope/Cubase is perfect" rhetoric. Leave that out (and comments like "it should the #1 priority") and you might actually have an interesting thread.
Oh, but you can't see this, I forgot.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:35 pm
by garyb
with Rewire, Reason is a plugin inside Cubase.
this just wouldn't be practical with Scope. to program such an interface, one that worked in all hosts and not just a favored app like ProTools, it would take ten times the current S|C manpower and several years. it's a nice idea, but it's unlikely in any short term context.
even though Scope seems to be in the computer, and even though it is an interface between the real world and the computer, Scope is still essentially EXTERNAL HARDWARE. expecting it to behave like pure software is unreasonable. ahem.
look, if sound QUALITY is the foremost priority, even over money, you want discrete hardware, period. end of story.
Scope is the next closest thing to that hardware, but it's a fraction of the cost and it's more convienient than hardware to use. everytime you gain something, like convienience, you lose something. that includes gains in sound quality. when you have gains in sound quality, you lose something. in the computer world, that would include losses in usability. i really am not convinced that when anything that can be imagined can be instantly translated into reality will always be a good thing. it might be cool for one situation or person or persons, but not for every situation or human. sometimes the struggle is part of the process that filters out crap.
in no way am i saying that these kinds of communications between machines aren't a nice idea, or that there shouldn't even be the effort to realize them. that would be stupid. i'm saying, it's just the decoration on an already iced cake. if Scope interferes with one's "creativity", one needs to hone one's craft. a poor mechanic blames his tools. this would hardly be the "highest priority".
actually, for anyone familiar with audio equipment, the Scope gui is unbelievably effective and simple. i knew everything i needed to know about 15 minutes into opening Scope the first time. that is a good gui. extending naming and timings into and out of the sequencer without having to set up the sequencer would be a cool addition, though.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:25 am
by braincell
Gary, Being simple to understand does not equate to being simple to use. Where are the keyboard shortcuts?
Having an audio sequencer which can import OMF format would be a major step up for SC even if it is initially limited in functionality such as wave editing. That's not rocket science and no more difficult to do than what they are doing. They already have VDAT which records audio. You just can't say it's perfect or does not need improvement Gary. That is not helpful to them or for us.
Update: I just read that Parseq will be an audio/midi sequencer for Scope 6. Maybe it will be what I'm looking for. It took a third party just for this idea?

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:38 am
by Sounddesigner

> braincell wrote:
> It took a third party just for this idea?

No! It is Sonic Core who is developing Open-SCOPE so that ANY DAW developer (Sonar, Cubase, Parseq, etc) can code into their DAW the REALtime SCOPE Platform and be sort of like Protools dsp but with more flexibility and potential. DAW integration of SCOPE is Sonic Core's idea ultimately threw Open-SCOPE. Sonic Core decided to Open the platform up so that people with your type wants/needs can have them fully addressed as time passes. Letting third-party handle DAW's and have a huge hand in developing SCOPE rather then trying to do it all themselves will allow for much faster development and more possibilities for SCOPE. Sonic Core is'nt directly developing DAW's they are developing the bigger and more importing thing that allows for DAW integration and more, they leave DAW's to third-party as they work on the underlying architecture of this platform wich allows for a far more flexible, powerful and comprehensive Platform.
PS. The person who owns the third-party company that's developing parseq works for Sonic Core.
EDITED

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:40 am
by dante
As far as a Scope implementation of rewire goes, its low on my priority list. But if ParseQ implments it or OpenScope makes it possible for someone to implement it then great. However, ASIO is usable instead.
Since Reason will soon have full MIDI capability I'm one step away from getting rid of Cubase, assuming ParseQ will host VST's (Kontakt) then the only reason I'd be using Cubase at all is the variaudio function.
Having Reason + ParseQ/Scope cover off all required functionality (eliminating big ticket DAW such as Cubase) would make for a much simpler (and lower cost) work flow.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:35 pm
by braincell
Being able to export Scope audio from Cubase under the Rewire protocol would be a lot easier than recording ASIO into Cubase. When recording Scope, you have to set up a track, and record in real time. When you export from Cubase, it's much faster than real time and it can automatically import the section you just exported. I do this all the time with a keyboard shortcut. It takes seconds and much less effort than recording an ASIO track from Scope. Being "workable" as you said isn't good enough. It should be an elegant solution. That is the whole point of Rewire. You don't absolutely need it but it is great.
Reason is not for me because I don't do that kind of electronic beat music. It's not comparable to Cubase really. Apples and oranges.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:03 pm
by dante

> braincell wrote:Reason is not for me because I don't do that kind of electronic beat music. It's not comparable to Cubase really. Apples and oranges.

Reason is not restricted to electronic beat music. Far from it.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:48 pm
by braincell
It's a bunch of synthesizers and drum machines. I play cello, saxophone, guitar and trumpet. I don't do synthesizers and drum machines anymore primarily.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:23 am
by Bud Weiser

> braincell wrote:It's a bunch of synthesizers and drum machines. I play cello, saxophone, guitar and trumpet. I don't do synthesizers and drum machines anymore primarily.

BS !
It´s up to you if you use the Pheads instruments devices.
Reason 6.5 is a almost fully fledged DAW application w/ the exception it lacks VST support.
For a native app, the SSL modelled mixer is cool and most FX devices are usable.
Like you can buy 3rd party VST plugins,- you´re free to buy REs (Rack Extensions) to complete the pallette.
It´s a hard disk recorder like any other DAW, w/ comping, time stretch, quantisiation and more.
It´s not only a sample player,- it´s a real sampler incl. automated slicing and REX file export.
There is a timeline and there are signature changes possible for audio/MIDI sequencing.
It´s definitely not the same like Cubase but it also don´t wants to be,- but you can record your cello, saxophone, guitar and trumpet in Reason like in any other DAW application.
Reason was a native software instruments and FX rack up to version 4,- then it started to change since v5.0 w/ the name "Record".
Since v6.0 Reason and Record are ONE application and w/ Reason 7 there will come more features like (advanced) MIDI Out, more audio busses stuff and partial integration of Phead "ReCycle" features.
Especially when you DON´T need lost of VST stuff and use external MIDI gear and/or real instruments,- you can do a complete production in Reason 6.5.3 today and it will onyl be better w/ Reason 7 being released april 30.
I was a long time Cubase user,- switched to Presonus Studio One Pro 2 last year and use Reason 6.5.3, all together w/ SCOPE 5.1 and now waiting for SCOPE 6.
If Reason would become a rewire master,- and I hope it will be maybe w/ Reason 7.5,- I´d use Reason as my main DAW feeding SCOPE environment via ASIO and MIDI and rewire Plogue Bidule to Reason as a "low CPU VSThost" for the last 3 or 4 VSTis I need.
B.t.w.,- I like the GUI of the SCOPE environment.
For me, it´s easy to work with and with almost no need to read the manual, except for in-depth features of some special devices.
The SCOPE 6 GUI will be improved anyway,- so I wait what comes and see then.
SCOPE 5.1, XITE-1 and Reason together are already winners for me.
They cover an extremely wide range of sounds together w/ my MIDI hardware controller keyboards delivering sounds too.
I can play,- so I have no probs recording into any DAW recorder like I recorded to tape in the past.
Not all the VST sequencers features are necessary for me.
Once I recorded something,- I can mix in SCOPE.
Bud

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:49 pm
by dante
Well summarised !

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:17 pm
by Bud Weiser

> dante wrote:Well summarised !

This afternoon, I recognized there´s a Youtube vid demonstrating Reason 7 parallel bus features in the SSL mixer.
You´re able to create "parallels" from already existing parallel busses by mouseclick from pulldown menue.
Easy to create fat sounding tracks that way and before streaming into SCOPE mixer which is limited count of channels,- and there´s the SAT connections limit too.
Bud

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:20 pm
by braincell
I hope for Rewire too! I do use a lot of VSTi stuff too such as Kontakt and Battery (with my own samples) and Vienna Imperial (best piano I have tried).

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:19 pm
by dante

> Bud Weiser wrote:Especially when you DON´T need lost of VST stuff and use external MIDI gear and/or real instruments,- you can do a complete production in Reason 6.5.3 today and it will onyl be better w/ Reason 7 being released april 30.
> Bud

In fact many of my Kontakt VSTI's are now replacable in Reason such as Suitcase Rhodes, Dan Dean Bass Guitar library, Mellotron and my DX7 sounds can be multilayered with PX7 (which I have now and have loaded multilple instances into Reason no problem).
Admittedly some of these are 'LITE' versions ( eg not a full EWQL Orchestra ) but they do the job I need. Some third parties release both as Kontakt Library and a Reason Refill. Couple that with some of the amazing Rack Extensions coming out, and Reason is progressing in leaps and bounds now and we are able to do more and more stand-alone in it than ever before. Its only a matter of time before a full Orchestra Rack Extension comes out, challenging at least the lighter versions of EWQL and such I predict.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:12 pm
by braincell
My feeling is that Reason uses lite versions because Reason users have less money to spend. I love Cubase 7. I have no Reason to get Reason.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:09 am
by ShogunSpy

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:43 pm
by dante

> Bud Weiser wrote: Especially when you DON´T need lost of VST stuff and use external MIDI gear and/or real instruments,- you can do a complete production in Reason 6.5.3 today and it will onyl be better w/ Reason 7 being released april 30.
> I was a long time Cubase user,- switched to Presonus Studio One Pro 2 last year and use Reason 6.5.3, all together w/ SCOPE 5.1 and now waiting for SCOPE 6. If Reason would become a rewire master,- and I hope it will be maybe w/ Reason 7.5,- I´d use Reason as my main DAW feeding SCOPE environment via ASIO and MIDI and rewire Plogue Bidule to Reason as a "low CPU VSThost" for the last 3 or 4 VSTis I need.
> Bud

The bad news is - Reason 7 requires Windows 7 - wont work on XP. Well, if Scope 6 wont run on XP either then it may force the issue anyway.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:07 pm
by Bud Weiser

> dante wrote:
> The bad news is - Reason 7 requires Windows 7 - wont work on XP. Well, if Scope 6 wont run on XP either then it may force the issue anyway.

Yep, I recognized that in a minute after I typed my post above.
No biggie, most of todays upgrades require Win7 and I won´t upgrade as soon Reason 7 will be available april 30.
The very bad news is,- I cannot upgrade my machine to Win 7 because there are no Win7 drivers for that board on ASUS site.
New machine needed, not only for Reason but also for NI Komplete upgrade from v7 to 8 or 9.
But,- I´m waiting for my 2nd SCOPE PCI card, 6DSP ... and the ASUS P5WD2 Premium mobo offers 2 for audio cards working PCI slots which can get their exclusive IRQ,- which is the GOOD news.
The Intel dual core machine w/ XP will become the one for 15+6DSP PCI cards.
I think will be ideal for the BC Modular stuff and STS samplers running in SCOPE 4.5.
I aquired a 3HU rackmount case and have to find a quality PSU which fits.
That will be the basis for a separate XITE-1 machine.
I expect SCOPE 6 requiring Win 7 too because it´s also about OSC support.
Upgrade time is when SCOPE 6 is out.
Can´t wait for Musikmesse news.
In the meantime, I´m busy re-configurating my home studio ...
Today, I aquired an Ashly SRA-4150 quad-amp (1HU) and found someone selling an Ashly MX508 mixer in perfect condition.
I hope it´s not sold already.
Some service/repair parts from US, Taiwan and UK on the way to my home,- some w/ delay unfortunately.
All will need some time to be finished, so no hurry w/ updates/upgrades.
Bud

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:36 pm
by dante
Since I have a machine capable of running x64 (8GB RAM) - I'm considering the option of dual boot, so I can setup x64 but still maintain x32 whioch I know everything is working on, until all x64 issues solved.
My C: has WinXP32 on it - my D: drive has plenty of space.
Should I install Win 7 / 8 x64 on D: - or should I create a new partition ?
The techy here at work says I should just be able to install Win8 on D:, and then select which OS to run at Boot time.
Would it be that easy ?

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:06 am
by Bud Weiser

> dante wrote:Since I have a machine capable of running x64 (8GB RAM) - I'm considering the option of dual boot, so I can setup x64 but still maintain x32 whioch I know everything is working on, until all x64 issues solved.
> My C: has WinXP32 on it - my D: drive has plenty of space.
> Should I install Win 7 / 8 x64 on D: - or should I create a new partition ?
> The techy here at work says I should just be able to install Win8 on D:, and then select which OS to run at Boot time.
> Would it be that easy ?

A dual boot system works always ...
3 options:
2 separate partitions on the same drive,- Partition C:\ w/ XP like it is actually,- Win 7 or Win 8 on partition D:\ (same drive).
You should install all you VST plugins into a vstplugins-folder into a separate partition E:\ on the same drive or on a separate drive.
It will be recognized by both systems by tweaking the VST path in the registry.
or
2 separate drives,-w/ the disadvantage the at the moment unused drive spins always too and wears out while using the other system drive.
or
put your Win XP system drive in a removable case/caddy (3.5">5.25") and do the same w/ the other system drive and Win 7 or 8.
Swap drives (Win XP or 7/8) on demand before booting the machine.
I´d go for solution 1 or 3.
Bud

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:37 am
by bosone
what i really miss in the SFP workflow is the possibility to switch mix channels or change effects routing inside the inserts, just as i can do in sonar....

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:51 am
by hubird
good one, Bosone.
Working at a mix I often need to change mono/stereo settings of channels and reorganize them, as you never have enough of them (in my case 24 adat channels)
To be able to change effects slots routing would also be nice.
First having to save save the preset (a stupid proces if you wanne save it up to project level), then changing the slots
is quite boring.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:03 am
by ehasting
what would be cool if someone made a Multi FX plugin with some kind of matrix to arrange the slots into.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:07 am
by braincell
Making software look like hardware is called "skeuomorphism." I think it's really stupid and it's not in vogue anymore. The emphasis should be on having it easy to read with no distractions. If they wait another 10 years to update the look it might be back in stye again though.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:01 am
by Bud Weiser

> braincell wrote:Making software look like hardware is called "skeuomorphism." I think it's really stupid and it's not in vogue anymore. The emphasis should be on having it easy to read with no distractions. If they wait another 10 years to update the look it might be back in stye again though.
> Although Native Instruments seems to have also missed the boat on this. Perhaps Germans are still in retro mode. HEY GUYS! IT'S 2013! TIME TO WAKE UP!

You should buy your software elsewhere when not being satisfied w/ GUI and workflow.
It´s pretty clear how SCOPE 6 will look like,- you see it on their website (at least before you buy).
Same rules for the other companies.
GUIs are a matter of taste too ...
When someone makes a Minimoog clone p.ex., he wants to make exactly that and when I decide to buy it,- I´m happy I find all the operational elements where they are on the hardware devices panel,- so no learning curve.
See, you´re only one little braincell and most of these companies have marketing research departments,- so what you get is the result of their research.
S|C probably doesn´t have a large marketing research department,- but the SCOPE environment was successful for decades for the customers who wanted it like it was and is.
For anyone who worked in hardware recording studios in the past or toured w/ lots of keys and multi-rack systems, virtual cabeling like in SCOPE, Bidule and Reason is the easiest to follow and understand.
Please forgive the old experienced guys having no intention to re-learn all new because of graphical gimmics and most photo realistic or futuristic designs.
We simply don´t watch the music, we listen to it.
Bud

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:07 am
by braincell
May I remind you that this is the wishlist section. It's not for people who are totally satisfied. If you don't want change, you should not be in this section of the forum. I have a right to my opinion and that is what the wishlist is for. Maybe you don't have an opinion. That is fine. This section is to talk about what we want. It is not to dis people who want different things than you do. Again, it's not about me. It's about Scope so please don't talk about me. That should be obvious but some people seem to miss the obvious.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:59 pm
by Bud Weiser

> braincell wrote:May I remind you that this is the wishlist section. It's not for people who are totally satisfied.

No, you shouldn´t, because it´s the device/module wishlist exactly and not the GUI wishlist !
You yourself started the GUI BS topic.

> braincell wrote:
> If you don't want change, you should not be in this section of the forum.

I can be in this section of this forum all day by reason I mentioned above and even I don´t want to change the GUI .

> braincell wrote:
> I have a right to my opinion and that is what the wishlist is for.

You are in the wrong section of the forum and pick on german software developers with shouted demands like they have to wake up because it´s 2013 and hardware type GUI is "not in vogue", which doesn´t belong to a device and module wishlist section at all.
I don´t think any user tells the world what´s in vogue and what is not.
That´s why I said GUI is a matter of taste too.
Then you start picking on NI "because they also missed the boat on this" ...
Well, go over to the NI users forum and whine over there because here is the Creamware and S|C DSP hardware and software forum and THIS is the device (.dev) and modules (.mdl) wishlist section.

> braincell wrote: That should be obvious but some people seem to miss the obvious.

No, you missed it.
Bud

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:09 pm
by braincell
The GUI is integrally entwined with the modules. Of course they are closely related so that ought to be good enough not only for me but the other people who made suggestions in what I will remind you is *my* thread . Now you are just nit picking. Anyone could see that. You just want to argue with me. That is not the purpose of this thread. If you don't like what I said then you ought to just STFU!

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:45 pm
by wayne
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#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:13 pm
by garyb

> braincell wrote: If you don't like what I said then you ought to just STFU!

well, i guess that works sometimes....
i think Scope has a great gui. it allows me to use audio processors and synths with the same ease as hardware. i like that. for me it was a 10 minute learning curve.
if you don't like what I said, then you ought to just STFU!

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:03 pm
by dante

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:07 am
by Mr Arkadin

> braincell wrote:I will remind you is *my* thread .

*imagines 3-year-old stamping feet on ground*

> braincell wrote:If you don't like what I said then you ought to just STFU!

Ah, the real braincell returns.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:26 am
by wayne
Mr Braincell has blocked most of us here anyway, so it's a lonely old thread.
Pity, because I wanted to discuss how "in vogue" cellos, trumpets and saxophones are, and dis the funky GUI on my "72 Mirafone small bore CC tuba.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:53 am
by Bud Weiser

> Mr Arkadin wrote: Ah, the real braincell returns.

A single braincell ... monad ...
With some chance, a notch above the invertebrates.
Bud

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:12 am
by braincell
Bud Weiser managed to be number three on my ignore list. I will never ever read a single thing he has to say, (not that any of it is worth wasting anyone's time on). Goodbye forever!
Who would like to be next?

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:42 am
by jksuperstar
Oh, Oh, Mr. Kotter!

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:12 am
by hubird
For your convenience, Braincell:

> Mr Arkadin wrote:

> > braincell wrote:I will remind you is *my* thread .

> *imagines 3-year-old stamping feet on ground*
> For your convenience, Braincell:

> > braincell wrote:If you don't like what I said then you ought to just STFU!

> Ah, the real braincell returns.

> wayne wrote:Mr Braincell has blocked most of us here anyway, so it's a lonely old thread.
> Pity, because I wanted to discuss how "in vogue" cellos, trumpets and saxophones are, and dis the funky GUI on my "72 Mirafone small bore CC tuba.

> Bud Weiser wrote:

> > Mr Arkadin wrote: Ah, the real braincell returns.

> A single braincell ... monad ...
> With some chance, a notch above the invertebrates.
> Bud

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:47 am
by Bud Weiser

> braincell wrote:Bud Weiser managed to be number three on my ignore list.

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> braincell wrote: I will never ever read a single thing he has to say, (not that any of it is worth wasting anyone's time on).

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> braincell wrote: Goodbye forever!

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> braincell wrote: Who would like to be next?

We´ll see ...
Bud

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:52 am
by Mr Arkadin
@ hubird being very mischievous.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:53 am
by hubird
edit: had to google for the meaning of that one.
I see now, could be worse
A German girl I met in nightlife of A'dam and who I visited later on in old Berlin called me a Schlingel at some point.
But at the time there was no Google yet

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:20 pm
by Tau

> bosone wrote:what i really miss in the SFP workflow is the possibility to switch mix channels or change effects routing inside the inserts, just as i can do in sonar....

> ehasting wrote:what would be cool if someone made a Multi FX plugin with some kind of matrix to arrange the slots into.

Wolf has such a device, it's included in his mixer and also as a standalone device in the mixer pack (matrix insert). Pretty useful stuff, you can switch devices on and off, change between stereo and mono, modify routing and levels etc...

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:41 pm
by garyb

> hubird wrote:A German girl I met in nightlife of A'dam and who I visited later on in old Berlin called me a Schlingel at some point.

hmmm.....

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:21 pm
by hubird
yeah
students who choose for Berlin got financial privilages back in those days when the wall was intact yet.
I remember she had a masonry coal stove in her room, such a big, man high block, completely covered with shiny tiles.
It was midwinter then, and damn cold.
I was there with the band I was a member of, we could use a rehearsal cellar room for three weeks in Das Rauchhaus, just along the wall.
Quite an adventure everything, we slept with four of us in a room of a junk who was detoxing somewhere.
Main furniture was a cart full with garbage bags of several weeks old
It took half a day to get the bus with all the gear through the several check points, and everything looked like a war scene.
But Berlin stole my heart, I returned several times but I miss the wall

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:36 am
by Bud Weiser

> hubird wrote:...but I miss the wall

Me too !
When germany was smaller and we had the "Deutsche Mark" and not the EURO,- that were golden times.
OTOH,- there might come the chance to found a building firm and set the (now extended) wall up again sooner or later.
I´d call it the "Coldman & Sucks" Wall then ... nice device for sure.
Bud

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:43 pm
by dante

> Bud Weiser wrote: A dual boot system works always ...
> 3 options:
> 2 separate partitions on the same drive,- Partition C:\ w/ XP like it is actually,- Win 7 or Win 8 on partition D:\ (same drive).
> You should install all you VST plugins into a vstplugins-folder into a separate partition E:\ on the same drive or on a separate drive.
> It will be recognized by both systems by tweaking the VST path in the registry.
> or
> 2 separate drives,-w/ the disadvantage the at the moment unused drive spins always too and wears out while using the other system drive.
> or
> put your Win XP system drive in a removable case/caddy (3.5">5.25") and do the same w/ the other system drive and Win 7 or 8.
> Swap drives (Win XP or 7/8) on demand before booting the machine.
> I´d go for solution 1 or 3.
> Bud

I'm thinking of Option 2 as I have plenty of space on my D: drive which I would split into 2 using this :
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/pr ... /#overview
Its cheap.

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:44 am
by Bud Weiser

> dante wrote: http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/pr ... /#overview
> Its cheap.

Thx,- good application.
I trust Acronis and use True Image WD Edition.
This would be a cool addition.
Bud

#### Re: Better GUI

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:02 pm
by faxinadu
<3 the scope gui
simple and no bullshit